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Are the Dutch are getting lazy?
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:00 +0100, Sepp Ruf
wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, February 29, 2020, wrote: On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:08:33 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 5:09:07 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 15:07:36 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, 28 February 2020, wrote: wrote: wrote: From a popular Dutch news site: Summary: 420000 E bikes sold last year Total sales volume 2019: 1.252 billion euro (2.6% up) of which 70% from E bikes Market share E bikes 41.7 procent. Average amount spent on a E bike 2067 euro For long you were some kind of piteous riding an assisted bike being disabled or something now it is the otherway round. You are a loser buying a 'normal' bike. Everybody older than 45 years I encounter during my rides riding a normal bike gets a thumbs up from me. I have to do that not very often. We now have Ebike peletons... I'm not an eBike person myself. But I can see the appeal of them. Especially in a society like the Netherlands where the bicycle is considered a normal mode of transportation. Unlike in the USA, where the bicycle is only a recreational object. In the Netherlands you use the bike to go to work, school, store, etc. So using an eBike to make these required transportation tasks easier makes a lot of sense. But in the USA the bicycle is for recreation. Almost no one uses it for basic transportation. So getting an eBike to make your recreational riding easier makes no sense. It makes as much sense as people driving to the gym in the morning to get their workout. Instead of jogging or cycling to the gym in the morning. But people do stupid things all the time. The thing is that leisure rides also increased a lot. So there were a lot of people that would like to ride for fun but not want to get (too) tired or sweaty. An E bike solved that. That's the problem. With ebikes as today's antiperspirant of choice for the sports-simulating middle classes, the attitude toward sweat caused by real bicycling, even if odorless, seems to become more Puritan. I see more and more E-bikes being used around here when the weather is warm. I wonder if the popularity of E-bikes will lead to many if any of the unpaved trails and rail-trails getting paved over? Time will tell. Googling "how to soup-up your e-bike" gets almost 60,000,000 hits. I think that you may soon be seeing powerful e-bikes all over the place :-) They even make foldable e-bikes for Frank to take on his travels. and strong too, a load capacity 125 kg (275 lbs). At $1,275 they are very competitive in price with push-bikes too :-) Prepare for sticker-shock, John B. https://tinyurl.com/tptmp84 My son talks non-stop about eBikes. They're now Specialized's bread-and-butter product. He wants me to get one -- probably so he doesn't have to wait for me when we're riding in Utah. He also wants one for commuting. The problem is that even at employee/family prices, the top end eBikes are really expensive. But if the discount or scratch and dent stars align, my next bike may be a Specialized eBike. A S-work E bake, that is funny... They're apparently shipping a lot of them. I got an advertising e-mail from a local shop yesterday announcing a sale on Orbea Gains. https://www.orbea..com/us-en/ebikes/road/gain-all-road Another stealth eBike. When some guy drops me like a rock, I now look at the BB and/or hub to determine whether I should be laughing or crying. I will vanquish them all when I get my super-stealth eBike with the zillion watt motor! What's Oregon's assist speed, or wattage, limit to keep your vanquEsh bike from being classified as a motorcycle? You could as well relax, get a Rohloff Speedhub and a Shimano generator hub to mislead ignorant ebikers into asking what motors these are. Then inform them that only strenuous exercise could make them nearly as fast and healthy as you are, and enjoy watching their jaws drop. In case they still aren't convinced to also drop their e-toy on the spot, tell them that the ebikes' share of deadly bicycle accidents in Europe is close to 1/3, and rising (because the ebikers are mostly old or inexperienced). As posted above, "Market Share - 41.7%" Your statement "accidents close to 30%"... sounds reasonable. To put another way, "push-bikes - 58.3 percent of the market", "70% of the accidents" :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 00:28:37 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote: On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:03:21 +0700, John B. wrote: I wonder. How do you go about replacing an internal battery on one of those Specialized E-bikes? Cheers From watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy4M9hlf2YQ it appears that the battery just clips in place. And I think that like a laptop battery it is generally considered as non repairable although it may well be for someone with the necessary tools and experience. depending on yor definition of "laptop", they are generall easily replaced as there are a number of suppliers of replacement laptop batteries assemblies. You missed the part where I say "generally considered as non repairable"? And yes, splitting the battery case is a rather simple feat but, at least in the case of my Lenovo ThinkPad, the individual battery cells are bonded into the plastic case with something that is stronger than the metal case of the cells themselves. it is the cracking the "battery" cases to gt acess to the internal cells to test and replace them that is the trick part. -- cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:00 +0100, Sepp Ruf wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, February 29, 2020, wrote: On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:08:33 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: wrote: From a popular Dutch news site: Summary: 420000 E bikes sold last year Total sales volume 2019: 1.252 billion euro (2.6% up) of which 70% from E bikes Market share E bikes 41.7 procent. Average amount spent on a E bike 2067 euro My son talks non-stop about eBikes. They're now Specialized's bread-and-butter product. He wants me to get one -- probably so he doesn't have to wait for me when we're riding in Utah. He also wants one for commuting. The problem is that even at employee/family prices, the top end eBikes are really expensive. But if the discount or scratch and dent stars align, my next bike may be a Specialized eBike. A S-work E bake, that is funny... They're apparently shipping a lot of them. I got an advertising e-mail from a local shop yesterday announcing a sale on Orbea Gains. https://www.orbea..com/us-en/ebikes/road/gain-all-road Another stealth eBike. When some guy drops me like a rock, I now look at the BB and/or hub to determine whether I should be laughing or crying. I will vanquish them all when I get my super-stealth eBike with the zillion watt motor! What's Oregon's assist speed, or wattage, limit to keep your vanquEsh bike from being classified as a motorcycle? You could as well relax, get a Rohloff Speedhub and a Shimano generator hub to mislead ignorant ebikers into asking what motors these are. Then inform them that only strenuous exercise could make them nearly as fast and healthy as you are, and enjoy watching their jaws drop. In case they still aren't convinced to also drop their e-toy on the spot, tell them that the ebikes' share of deadly bicycle accidents in Europe is close to 1/3, and rising (because the ebikers are mostly old or inexperienced). As posted above, "Market Share - 41.7%" Your statement "accidents close to 30%"... sounds reasonable. To put another way, "push-bikes - 58.3 percent of the market", "70% of the accidents" :-) In Europe overall, ebikes' market share (percentage of bikes sold in Y2019) is probably still higher than their risk exposure (time ridden as part of the total active bike fleet). But as I only looked up three countries and most of the 2019 traffic fatality statistics don't seem to be published yet, the 1/3 ratio is only good enough for quick rhetoric on the road, not for serious work. -- https://www.boredpanda.com/creative-ways-people-protect-corona-virus/ |
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 09:25:00 +0100, Sepp Ruf
wrote: John B. wrote: On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:00 +0100, Sepp Ruf wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, February 29, 2020, wrote: On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:08:33 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: wrote: From a popular Dutch news site: Summary: 420000 E bikes sold last year Total sales volume 2019: 1.252 billion euro (2.6% up) of which 70% from E bikes Market share E bikes 41.7 procent. Average amount spent on a E bike 2067 euro My son talks non-stop about eBikes. They're now Specialized's bread-and-butter product. He wants me to get one -- probably so he doesn't have to wait for me when we're riding in Utah. He also wants one for commuting. The problem is that even at employee/family prices, the top end eBikes are really expensive. But if the discount or scratch and dent stars align, my next bike may be a Specialized eBike. A S-work E bake, that is funny... They're apparently shipping a lot of them. I got an advertising e-mail from a local shop yesterday announcing a sale on Orbea Gains. https://www.orbea..com/us-en/ebikes/road/gain-all-road Another stealth eBike. When some guy drops me like a rock, I now look at the BB and/or hub to determine whether I should be laughing or crying. I will vanquish them all when I get my super-stealth eBike with the zillion watt motor! What's Oregon's assist speed, or wattage, limit to keep your vanquEsh bike from being classified as a motorcycle? You could as well relax, get a Rohloff Speedhub and a Shimano generator hub to mislead ignorant ebikers into asking what motors these are. Then inform them that only strenuous exercise could make them nearly as fast and healthy as you are, and enjoy watching their jaws drop. In case they still aren't convinced to also drop their e-toy on the spot, tell them that the ebikes' share of deadly bicycle accidents in Europe is close to 1/3, and rising (because the ebikers are mostly old or inexperienced). As posted above, "Market Share - 41.7%" Your statement "accidents close to 30%"... sounds reasonable. To put another way, "push-bikes - 58.3 percent of the market", "70% of the accidents" :-) In Europe overall, ebikes' market share (percentage of bikes sold in Y2019) is probably still higher than their risk exposure (time ridden as part of the total active bike fleet). But as I only looked up three countries and most of the 2019 traffic fatality statistics don't seem to be published yet, the 1/3 ratio is only good enough for quick rhetoric on the road, not for serious work. Singapore, which is a very small country, apparently has such a large number, on a per capita basis, of e-vehicle - bikes, scooters and what appear to be e-tricycles - that they now require all types to meet government standards, limit the motor size and speed - 250 watts and 25 km/h - and require the vehicle and rider to be licensed. Granted, Singapore tends toward strict laws rigidly enforced but I believe that as e-vehicle accidents increase, as they are bound to do as the numbers of e-vehicles on the roads increase, that licensing will probably be instituted in many other countries. -- cheers, John B. |
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Are the Dutch are getting lazy?
On 2/29/2020 1:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/29/2020 12:54 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote: In case they still aren't convinced to also drop their e-toy on the spot, tell them that the ebikes' share of deadly bicycle accidents in Europe is close to 1/3, and rising (because the ebikers are mostly old or inexperienced). I agree with that. Others have pointed out that up to this time, if a person was fast on a bike it was usually because he had put thousands of hours into riding. He probably learned to stop making most mistakes when he was still slow and the mistakes had lower consequences. Not so today. But I wonder if another factor relates to design of facilities. A segregated facility might be OK at 10 kph but dangerous at 20 kph, let alone 30 kph. Also, I imagine speeds are a lot less consistent these days. People on "acoustic" bikes are still tootling along at, oh, 15 kph, mixing with E-bikers that are probably much faster, passing unexpectedly, messing with distance judgment, etc. Slippery slope. 'Assist', then 'E-Moped' then right on to 'Synthetic Reality' goggles, at which point one leads the pack while plopped on a sofa. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Are the Dutch are getting lazy?
On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 10:12:12 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/29/2020 1:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/29/2020 12:54 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote: In case they still aren't convinced to also drop their e-toy on the spot, tell them that the ebikes' share of deadly bicycle accidents in Europe is close to 1/3, and rising (because the ebikers are mostly old or inexperienced). I agree with that. Others have pointed out that up to this time, if a person was fast on a bike it was usually because he had put thousands of hours into riding. He probably learned to stop making most mistakes when he was still slow and the mistakes had lower consequences. Not so today. But I wonder if another factor relates to design of facilities. A segregated facility might be OK at 10 kph but dangerous at 20 kph, let alone 30 kph. Also, I imagine speeds are a lot less consistent these days. People on "acoustic" bikes are still tootling along at, oh, 15 kph, mixing with E-bikers that are probably much faster, passing unexpectedly, messing with distance judgment, etc. Slippery slope. 'Assist', then 'E-Moped' then right on to 'Synthetic Reality' goggles, at which point one leads the pack while plopped on a sofa. And a real reduction in "bicycle accidents" :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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