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"AndyMorris" typed
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote: I don't think so. David and I were in Northern Italy a few weeks ago and were struck by the number of cyclists, (both leisure and utility) on the roads. The terrain was certainly not flat outside Meran(o) but the planners had made the environment *much* less hostile than we find locally. There were some dedicated cycle tracks. Cyclists were mostly on the road and the motorists were patient and tolerant. Our hosts' 6-year-old daughter was allowed to cycle to the playground (about 3/4 mile) by herself on the road. Her road skill weren't too clever. Do you think the kudos associated with cycle sports in Italy rubs off on leisure and utility cycling. Does an italian middle age fat bloke popping down the shops on his bianchi have a little bit of a Fausto Coppi fantasy, the way a british bloke going to B&Q in his mondaeo might have a Colin Macrae moment? Possibly but there were plenty of very ordinary middle-aged women on town bikes, whose minds were more likely to be on the road or shopping list. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Richard wrote:
I also recall a report whereby a young whippersnapper, doing something excessive on a motorway, was pulled over. He was asked, "Who do you think you are, Nigel Mansell?" Which was indeed his name, although he wasn't the NM of bushy moustache fame. Whereas I recently read about a bloke pulled for speeding in his 911 on, /mirabile dictu/, the M25. Plod: 'oo you fink you are, sonny? Nigel Mansell? Ayrton Senna (for it is he): Er... -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== ========= |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... "AndyMorris" typed Helen Deborah Vecht wrote: I don't think so. David and I were in Northern Italy a few weeks ago and were struck by the number of cyclists, (both leisure and utility) on the roads. The terrain was certainly not flat outside Meran(o) but the planners had made the environment *much* less hostile than we find locally. There were some dedicated cycle tracks. Cyclists were mostly on the road and the motorists were patient and tolerant. Our hosts' 6-year-old daughter was allowed to cycle to the playground (about 3/4 mile) by herself on the road. Her road skill weren't too clever. Do you think the kudos associated with cycle sports in Italy rubs off on leisure and utility cycling. Does an italian middle age fat bloke popping down the shops on his bianchi have a little bit of a Fausto Coppi fantasy, the way a british bloke going to B&Q in his mondaeo might have a Colin Macrae moment? Possibly but there were plenty of very ordinary middle-aged women on town bikes, whose minds were more likely to be on the road or shopping list. Who'se to say their minds weren't on a Fausto Coppi fantasy as well? Though possibly not one involving a bicycle race. -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks for email address |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... Simonb wrote: Is that similar to the old "Stirling Moss" moment, as when the police pulled you up and asked "Who you do you think you are then, Stirling Moss?" Apparently that once happened to Stirling Moss :-) I also recall a report whereby a young whippersnapper, doing something excessive on a motorway, was pulled over. He was asked, "Who do you think you are, Nigel Mansell?" Which was indeed his name, although he wasn't the NM of bushy moustache fame. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funn...me/2285451.stm (second story) -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks for email address |
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Richard wrote: I also recall a report whereby a young whippersnapper, doing something excessive on a motorway, was pulled over. He was asked, "Who do you think you are, Nigel Mansell?" Which was indeed his name, although he wasn't the NM of bushy moustache fame. The story is told, with reasonable amounts of verification from some of the people involved, of the car driven by Ayrton Senna, with Mauricio Gugelmin in the passenger seat --- who was the McLaren test driver that season --- being stopped on the way from Didcot to Heathrow. Ayrton was, of course, asked ``Who do you think you are, Nigel Mansell?''. He was not 'appy. ian |
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On 23 May 2004 12:35:07 -0700 someone who may be
(bikerider7) wrote this:- Scandal of our deadly cycle lanes I note that http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/traffi...ing%20Standard asserts that, "Ms McCreery died after colliding with a bus on 10 May." I suspect that this is an outright lie. Had she collided with the bus then I suspect she would still be alive. I suspect that the bus driver collided with her, but the mass media is careful to avoid stating the truth in this sort of case. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
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David Hansen wrote:
On 23 May 2004 12:35:07 -0700 someone who may be (bikerider7) wrote this:- Scandal of our deadly cycle lanes I note that http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/traffi...ing%20Standard asserts that, "Ms McCreery died after colliding with a bus on 10 May." I suspect that this is an outright lie. Had she collided with the bus then I suspect she would still be alive. I suspect that the bus driver collided with her, but the mass media is careful to avoid stating the truth in this sort of case. My dictionary has collide as the violent coming together of two moving bodies. I think therefore that it does not have the implication you think. I would agree if it said she had hit the bus but with collide the implication is neutral IMO Tony |
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hansen" Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:20:28 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch wrote this:- Read again. Jeremy said places /in/ Wales and Scotland. There are places in England where cycling is less than places in Wales and Scotland. Jeremy's comparison is bogus. Looking at DfT publication "Cycling in Great Britain", August 1996, we can see the highest and lowest modal splits for bike commuting (1991 census). They are 1. Cambridge 2. York 3. Oxford 4. Boston 5. Gosport ....... 453. Blaenau Gwent 454. Rhondda 455. Shetland Islands 456. Monklands 457. Cumbernauld and Kilsyth 458. (and last, with 0.1%) Inverclyde Jeremy Parker |
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"Tony Raven" wrote in message ... David Hansen wrote: On 23 May 2004 12:35:07 -0700 someone who may be (bikerider7) wrote this:- Scandal of our deadly cycle lanes I note that http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/traffi...ing%20Standard asserts that, "Ms McCreery died after colliding with a bus on 10 May." I suspect that this is an outright lie. Had she collided with the bus then I suspect she would still be alive. I suspect that the bus driver collided with her, but the mass media is careful to avoid stating the truth in this sort of case. My dictionary has collide as the violent coming together of two moving bodies. I think therefore that it does not have the implication you think. I would agree if it said she had hit the bus but with collide the implication is neutral IMO Tony I disagree, I think it does give a not so subtle/subliminal implication it was her that did it, ie *she* collided, rather than someone else collided into her. -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks for email address |
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Tumbleweed wrote:
I disagree, I think it does give a not so subtle/subliminal implication it was her that did it, ie *she* collided, rather than someone else collided into her. FWIW according to the other thread the CTC comment was "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" Tony |
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