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State your opinion on COVID-19
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Saturday, 28 March 2020 15:34:25 UTC-4, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 2:18 PM, Mark J. wrote: On 3/28/2020 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 11:01 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Up to here, yes. Death is not trivial to the fatality himself, but the numbers haven't supported panic so far. I will change my opinion when/if the numbers change [...] Sadly, give it a week or two. Cases are roughly quadrupling each week in the US [based on CDC reports]. Exponential growth doesn't catch the public eye when the absolute numbers are low, but those low numbers don't last long. We are solidly on track to eclipse the "regular-flu" numbers. Mark J. but having known people who died of pneumonia from influenza, my point was merely that it's the same death (and an unpleasant one at that) to fewer people. see also: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/about...nza-burden.png If influenza were unknown until this year, people would freak out at forty million infected and 50,000 Americans dead. If you want to do something useful and patriotic, do something about the even larger number of Americans who die annually by _hospital acquired infection_. That number is not getting smaller year over year- it's growing. Another danger is a mental incapacity caused by a political correctness infestation. From WMAL today: https://www.wmal.com/news/yes-we-lon...uldnt-anymore/ Headline: "Yes, we long have referred to disease outbreaks by geographic places. Here’s why we shouldn’t anymore" Main argument worthy of a failing grade in a high school logic class: "During the 2003 SARS outbreak, media coverage of the disease led to the stigmatization of Asian communities in countries such as Canada. It devastated Chinese-owned businesses, especially those located in Chinatowns." I looked for SARS on a map. Couldn't find it. Perhaps in time all this will pass, just as we no longer use "the French disease". -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I used to live in Toronto, Canada in the Broadview & Dundas/Broadview & Gerrard area. It became know as Chinatown #2 or East Chinatown. The Chinese took over the transit shelters and set up shop in them and sold all sorts of stuff including live ducks. The offal and the stench were something that has to experienced to be believed. In summer on the weekends you couldn't keep a window open even though you lived a few blocks away from the main street. The illegal shops were so prevalent and sprawling on the sidewalks that in many cases pedestrians had to venture out onto the roadway in order to get past them. Having experienced that, I don't wonder that diseases spread so quickly. Cheers Must be some shortcoming in your village/town/city ordnances as there have been "wet markets"in all of the Asian countries where I have lived and they are cleaned every afternoon after the market closes. No unusual smells at all. A stall user who neglected to clean his area would be refused space the next day and ostracized by the other users. -- cheers, John B. |
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State your opinion on COVID-19
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 12:18:01 -0700, "Mark J."
wrote: On 3/28/2020 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 11:01 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Up to here, yes. Death is not trivial to the fatality himself, but the numbers haven't supported panic so far. I will change my opinion when/if the numbers change [...] Sadly, give it a week or two. Cases are roughly quadrupling each week in the US [based on CDC reports]. Exponential growth doesn't catch the public eye when the absolute numbers are low, but those low numbers don't last long. We are solidly on track to eclipse the "regular-flu" numbers. Mark J. but having known people who died of pneumonia from influenza, my point was merely that it's the same death (and an unpleasant one at that) to fewer people. see also: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/about...nza-burden.png If influenza were unknown until this year, people would freak out at forty million infected and 50,000 Americans dead. If you want to do something useful and patriotic, do something about the even larger number of Americans who die annually by _hospital acquired infection_.* That number is not getting smaller year over year- it's growing. As of this morning you lead the list in both total number of cases and new cases with 120,529 total and 16,403 new. In fact your new cases outnumbers the total cases of all but eight other countries in the world. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Saturday, 28 March 2020 12:01:47 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. -- - Frank Krygowski I think that this COVID-19 virus is a lot more serious than governments are letting on. I also think that the various governments have really dropped the ball by allow people to come back into the country and then relying on those people to self quarantine for 14 days. We've seen how well that's worked with people already in the country going out and about as if everything is normal even though they should be in quarantine. I remember reading many years ago that experts in diseases were saying that the next pandemic was only an airplane flight away. Well folks, looks like they were right and that the pandemic is here. Look after yourselves and the best of luck in avoiding becoming a bad statistic. Cheers Thailand has imposed some pretty draconian regulations to fight the virus and while I'm not sure whether it is a viable calculation their new cases number is 8% of total cases. The U.S. with apparently fewer restrictions has a new case total of about 14% of the total cases. At this rate the U.S. will exceed 200,000 cases in about 4 more days :-( -- cheers, John B. |
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Frank Krygowski writes:
On 3/28/2020 5:20 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 3:32 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote: On 3/28/2020 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 11:01 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Up to here, yes. Death is not trivial to the fatality himself, but the numbers haven't supported panic so far. I will change my opinion when/if the numbers change [...] Sadly, give it a week or two.Â* Cases are roughly quadrupling each week in the US [based on CDC reports].Â* Exponential growth doesn't catch the public eye when the absolute numbers are low, but those low numbers don't last long. We are solidly on track to eclipse the "regular-flu" numbers. Mark J. Plus, the whole idea with these Draconian measures is to limit the damage.Â* If we don't have the damage, that means the measures were successful and not that the measures were unnecessary -- unless there is data indicating that the whole thing is a hoax or that the expected infection/mortality rates without treatment were miscalculated.Â* What we need is a clinical trial. No masks, social distancing, closed business, extra ventilators, etc.,for some big city. Party on! Then lock-down another big city and fill it with medical equipment and hand sanitizer and then check the mortality rates in six months. Control for temperature and region.Â* Obvious choice would be Huston and Dallas or maybe Minneapolis and St. Paul. Nobody could switch cities. I'm very pleased to have bought a bag of rice today at the local Safeway.Â* It was the last one on the shelf -- a lone bag of Thai jasmine rice.Â* No plain old rice. Lots of produce and other good stuff.Â* The horders are really into rice, beans and toilet paper -- which makes a great high-fiber casserole.Â* Tons of people were out walking around. We had this little pedestrian traffic jam on one of our neighborhood walks with everyone trying to sort-out how to maintain social distancing. -- Jay Beattie. I don't know but I suppose some of you survivors will think of us when it's over. Does the "us" in that sentence refer to people who are refusing recommended health strategies? It might be good to know who here is still engaging in close contact with lots of the general public, attending parties, dating lots of new partners, visiting sick relatives, never washing hands, licking doorknobs, whatever. You know, vs. who is doing what most medical experts say we should. Maybe we can do our own mini-study. Check back six months from now and see how everyone's doing. We have one friend with whom we shared a six-foot-separated picnic. She has no symptoms, but she had to take off her mask to eat. Other friends (we've seen a dozen, max) have been almost as careful, but no masks. A dozen since the Ohio "shelter in place" order? Honestly that seems like a large number to me. Our social life is pretty much all remote now, aside from two or three chance meetings. |
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AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2020 2:18 PM, Mark J. wrote: On 3/28/2020 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 11:01 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Up to here, yes. Death is not trivial to the fatality himself, but the numbers haven't supported panic so far. I will change my opinion when/if the numbers change [...] Sadly, give it a week or two. Cases are roughly quadrupling each week in the US [based on CDC reports]. Exponential growth doesn't catch the public eye when the absolute numbers are low, but those low numbers don't last long. We are solidly on track to eclipse the "regular-flu" numbers. Mark J. but having known people who died of pneumonia from influenza, my point was merely that it's the same death (and an unpleasant one at that) to fewer people. see also: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/about...nza-burden.png If influenza were unknown until this year, people would freak out at forty million infected and 50,000 Americans dead. If you want to do something useful and patriotic, do something about the even larger number of Americans who die annually by _hospital acquired infection_. That number is not getting smaller year over year- it's growing. Another danger is a mental incapacity caused by a political correctness infestation. From WMAL today: https://www.wmal.com/news/yes-we-lon...uldnt-anymore/ Headline: "Yes, we long have referred to disease outbreaks by geographic places. Here’s why we shouldn’t anymore" Main argument worthy of a failing grade in a high school logic class: "During the 2003 SARS outbreak, media coverage of the disease led to the stigmatization of Asian communities in countries such as Canada. It devastated Chinese-owned businesses, especially those located in Chinatowns." I looked for SARS on a map. Couldn't find it. Perhaps in time all this will pass, just as we no longer use "the French disease". Or “the Spanish Flu”, named after the one country that had the balls to admit it existed. |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/28/2020 5:20 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 3:32 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote: On 3/28/2020 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 11:01 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Up to here, yes. Death is not trivial to the fatality himself, but the numbers haven't supported panic so far. I will change my opinion when/if the numbers change [...] Sadly, give it a week or two.Â* Cases are roughly quadrupling each week in the US [based on CDC reports].Â* Exponential growth doesn't catch the public eye when the absolute numbers are low, but those low numbers don't last long. We are solidly on track to eclipse the "regular-flu" numbers. Mark J. Plus, the whole idea with these Draconian measures is to limit the damage.Â* If we don't have the damage, that means the measures were successful and not that the measures were unnecessary -- unless there is data indicating that the whole thing is a hoax or that the expected infection/mortality rates without treatment were miscalculated.Â* What we need is a clinical trial. No masks, social distancing, closed business, extra ventilators, etc.,for some big city. Party on! Then lock-down another big city and fill it with medical equipment and hand sanitizer and then check the mortality rates in six months. Control for temperature and region.Â* Obvious choice would be Huston and Dallas or maybe Minneapolis and St. Paul. Nobody could switch cities. I'm very pleased to have bought a bag of rice today at the local Safeway.Â* It was the last one on the shelf -- a lone bag of Thai jasmine rice.Â* No plain old rice. Lots of produce and other good stuff.Â* The horders are really into rice, beans and toilet paper -- which makes a great high-fiber casserole.Â* Tons of people were out walking around. We had this little pedestrian traffic jam on one of our neighborhood walks with everyone trying to sort-out how to maintain social distancing. -- Jay Beattie. I don't know but I suppose some of you survivors will think of us when it's over. Does the "us" in that sentence refer to people who are refusing recommended health strategies? It might be good to know who here is still engaging in close contact with lots of the general public, attending parties, dating lots of new partners, visiting sick relatives, never washing hands, licking doorknobs, whatever. You know, vs. who is doing what most medical experts say we should. Maybe we can do our own mini-study. Check back six months from now and see how everyone's doing. We have one friend with whom we shared a six-foot-separated picnic. She has no symptoms, but she had to take off her mask to eat. Other friends (we've seen a dozen, max) have been almost as careful, but no masks. My wife and I have been in self-imposed lockdown for around two weeks now. We only go out for groceries. It wasn’t too much of a leap, since I’m retired and doing a minimal amount of contract work from home (although I did lose an interesting contract which might have required travel to Kentucky). Our only real source of exposure is our daughter, who lives with us and works in a grocery store. |
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On 3/28/2020 7:15 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes: We have one friend with whom we shared a six-foot-separated picnic. She has no symptoms, but she had to take off her mask to eat. Other friends (we've seen a dozen, max) have been almost as careful, but no masks. A dozen since the Ohio "shelter in place" order? Honestly that seems like a large number to me. Our social life is pretty much all remote now, aside from two or three chance meetings. About half of those were on March 17, before the official order, but even then we were being very careful. At that time, they had said "6 feet minimum" and (I think) "no more than 10 in a group." Since then, the friends we've seen have all been outdoors, on well-separated hikes, walks or bike rides. And since then, we've been to only one grocery, one deli for takeout, and one pharmacy. BTW, the pharmacy (a block from our house) was closed for several days for "deep cleaning." Apparently one or two employees tested positive. I was in there today to get a prescription, and all the old staff had been temporarily replaced. They're all in self quarantine. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:56:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/28/2020 5:20 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 3:32 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote: On 3/28/2020 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 11:01 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Up to here, yes. Death is not trivial to the fatality himself, but the numbers haven't supported panic so far. I will change my opinion when/if the numbers change [...] Sadly, give it a week or two.Â* Cases are roughly quadrupling each week in the US [based on CDC reports].Â* Exponential growth doesn't catch the public eye when the absolute numbers are low, but those low numbers don't last long. We are solidly on track to eclipse the "regular-flu" numbers. Mark J. Plus, the whole idea with these Draconian measures is to limit the damage.Â* If we don't have the damage, that means the measures were successful and not that the measures were unnecessary -- unless there is data indicating that the whole thing is a hoax or that the expected infection/mortality rates without treatment were miscalculated.Â* What we need is a clinical trial. No masks, social distancing, closed business, extra ventilators, etc.,for some big city. Party on! Then lock-down another big city and fill it with medical equipment and hand sanitizer and then check the mortality rates in six months. Control for temperature and region.Â* Obvious choice would be Huston and Dallas or maybe Minneapolis and St. Paul. Nobody could switch cities. I'm very pleased to have bought a bag of rice today at the local Safeway.Â* It was the last one on the shelf -- a lone bag of Thai jasmine rice.Â* No plain old rice. Lots of produce and other good stuff.Â* The horders are really into rice, beans and toilet paper -- which makes a great high-fiber casserole.Â* Tons of people were out walking around. We had this little pedestrian traffic jam on one of our neighborhood walks with everyone trying to sort-out how to maintain social distancing. -- Jay Beattie. I don't know but I suppose some of you survivors will think of us when it's over. Does the "us" in that sentence refer to people who are refusing recommended health strategies? It might be good to know who here is still engaging in close contact with lots of the general public, attending parties, dating lots of new partners, visiting sick relatives, never washing hands, licking doorknobs, whatever. You know, vs. who is doing what most medical experts say we should. Maybe we can do our own mini-study. Check back six months from now and see how everyone's doing. We have one friend with whom we shared a six-foot-separated picnic. She has no symptoms, but she had to take off her mask to eat. Other friends (we've seen a dozen, max) have been almost as careful, but no masks. My wife and I have been in self-imposed lockdown for around two weeks now.. We only go out for groceries. It wasn’t too much of a leap, since I’m retired and doing a minimal amount of contract work from home (although I did lose an interesting contract which might have required travel to Kentucky). Our only real source of exposure is our daughter, who lives with us and works in a grocery store. I blew off a ride today to go on a walk with my wife. We saw lots of people and passed some within feet. We stopped at the Safeway and even stopped at a coffee shop in Multnomah Village, although you can't go inside. They were set up at the door -- bought some beans for home espresso. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1901/...4b285de2_b.jpg There's a second coffee shop in town that was open as well -- but not the Blue Star Donuts (mega-expensive curated donuts) or the collection of other eateries. The weed shop was open, of course. When I say "Multnomah Village," I feel like I'm with Frank, back in Ohi-oh. It even has a visitor's guide, which is impressive for a wide spot in the road. https://tinyurl.com/vmoofse We usually walk the urban trails rather than the neighborhoods, but the 'hoods are fun now and then. We did a Costco run and bought some lawn fertilizer, so I spread that -- but its too wet for weeding. They have a plexi-glass sneeze screen at the check-out stand at Costco -- and weird new rituals for handing your membership card and purchases. I did some law work. Put a different saddle on my Synapse. I thought about doing my taxes. Still thinking. The only thing that differentiated today from any other under-productive Saturday was the pervasive sense of dread and the obviously changed behavior of others. I feel like I'm jet-lagged after coming home from a funeral. I totally understand wanting this to be over. I've got a ride scheduled tomorrow with my nextdoor neighbor and best riding buddy, which will be fun -- unless he hits the gas. I'm still SOB, but probably from allergies. Who knows, though, I COULD BE NEXT! [insert "The Scream" emoji]. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Ralph Barone writes:
AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 2:18 PM, Mark J. wrote: On 3/28/2020 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/28/2020 11:01 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Up to here, yes. Death is not trivial to the fatality himself, but the numbers haven't supported panic so far. I will change my opinion when/if the numbers change [...] Sadly, give it a week or two. Cases are roughly quadrupling each week in the US [based on CDC reports]. Exponential growth doesn't catch the public eye when the absolute numbers are low, but those low numbers don't last long. We are solidly on track to eclipse the "regular-flu" numbers. Mark J. but having known people who died of pneumonia from influenza, my point was merely that it's the same death (and an unpleasant one at that) to fewer people. see also: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/about...nza-burden.png If influenza were unknown until this year, people would freak out at forty million infected and 50,000 Americans dead. If you want to do something useful and patriotic, do something about the even larger number of Americans who die annually by _hospital acquired infection_. That number is not getting smaller year over year- it's growing. Another danger is a mental incapacity caused by a political correctness infestation. From WMAL today: https://www.wmal.com/news/yes-we-lon...uldnt-anymore/ Headline: "Yes, we long have referred to disease outbreaks by geographic places. Here’s why we shouldn’t anymore" Main argument worthy of a failing grade in a high school logic class: "During the 2003 SARS outbreak, media coverage of the disease led to the stigmatization of Asian communities in countries such as Canada. It devastated Chinese-owned businesses, especially those located in Chinatowns." I looked for SARS on a map. Couldn't find it. Perhaps in time all this will pass, just as we no longer use "the French disease". Or “the Spanish Flu”, named after the one country that had the balls to admit it existed. You oversimplify -- Spain was neutral during the Great War, so their press remained freer than that of combatant nations. "In war, the first casualty is the truth". |
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 21:00:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 3/28/2020 7:15 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: Frank Krygowski writes: We have one friend with whom we shared a six-foot-separated picnic. She has no symptoms, but she had to take off her mask to eat. Other friends (we've seen a dozen, max) have been almost as careful, but no masks. A dozen since the Ohio "shelter in place" order? Honestly that seems like a large number to me. Our social life is pretty much all remote now, aside from two or three chance meetings. About half of those were on March 17, before the official order, but even then we were being very careful. At that time, they had said "6 feet minimum" and (I think) "no more than 10 in a group." Since then, the friends we've seen have all been outdoors, on well-separated hikes, walks or bike rides. And since then, we've been to only one grocery, one deli for takeout, and one pharmacy. BTW, the pharmacy (a block from our house) was closed for several days for "deep cleaning." Apparently one or two employees tested positive. I was in there today to get a prescription, and all the old staff had been temporarily replaced. They're all in self quarantine. I read about "cleaning" and I understand that virus are not living, in the sense of other creatures and I have also read that a dead body is not capable of transmitting a viral disease, but how long does a virus, or perhaps more accurately a virion, remain viable and able to infect another creature if it is outside a living body. Or in simple terms if a virion falls on the floor how long can it lay there and still be capable of causing a disease? -- cheers, John B. |
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