PORTLAND CYCLE FESTIVAL

On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 7:50:16 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2016 7:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:19 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:10 PM, DougC wrote:
On 11/12/2016 2:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 3:31:24 AM UTC-8, DATAKOLL MARINE
RESEARCH wrote:
http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/tru...ight/351192552



We're totally a Trump town! Those people are so super-excited that
they took to the streets!

Really, though, it's like preaching to the choir in the Peoples
Democratic Republic of Portland, and the protesters are just
****ing-off the choir. I don't get it. And then you have the
"anarchists" who are doing the property damage -- just to do property
damage. It's the Clockwork Orange crowd. They're the people who get
us on national news.

-- Jay Beattie

I am laughing sensibly,,, Portland protesters is serious business:
"You'll take my nose ring when you pry it from my cold dead nostril.
Also is the Starbucks guy here yet? Im kinda thirsty"

A couple nights ago I turned on the late night Jimmy Kimmel show (a very
rare event, BTW). Someone was interviewing a Portland protester on
camera. He said something like "I just thought it was the least I could
do to come out here and protest the election."

Interviewer: "So did you vote?"

Protester: "Well, no, I wasn't registered."

Which is interesting since we have motor-voter registration. If you
have a driver's license or ID car, you're registered to vote unless
you opt out. It's hard not to be registered, so the guy might have
been from out of state or under age. This is also an example of the
conservative bias of the media -- always interviewing the guy who
isn't registered.

A lot of the protesters were pretty ordinary people. OTOH, even
ordinary people shouldn't be blocking traffic. After getting my
property tax bill, I wanted to protest by blocking traffic -- using my
body . . . under a bus. I've got some suggestions for things to
protest, but they don't resonate much with the Bohemian set.

-- Jay Beattie.


"conservative bias of the media"

! !

There's bias both ways. Depends on which media outlet you look at.

Fully agreed about property taxes though

I don't mind paying a reasonable amount of tax. It's the price we pay
for civilization.

I'm all for reasonable. I would settle for reasonable.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:50:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2016 7:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:19 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:10 PM, DougC wrote:
On 11/12/2016 2:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 3:31:24 AM UTC-8, DATAKOLL MARINE
RESEARCH wrote:
http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/tru...ight/351192552



We're totally a Trump town! Those people are so super-excited that
they took to the streets!

Really, though, it's like preaching to the choir in the Peoples
Democratic Republic of Portland, and the protesters are just
****ing-off the choir. I don't get it. And then you have the
"anarchists" who are doing the property damage -- just to do property
damage. It's the Clockwork Orange crowd. They're the people who get
us on national news.

-- Jay Beattie

I am laughing sensibly,,, Portland protesters is serious business:
"You'll take my nose ring when you pry it from my cold dead nostril.
Also is the Starbucks guy here yet? Im kinda thirsty"

A couple nights ago I turned on the late night Jimmy Kimmel show (a very
rare event, BTW). Someone was interviewing a Portland protester on
camera. He said something like "I just thought it was the least I could
do to come out here and protest the election."

Interviewer: "So did you vote?"

Protester: "Well, no, I wasn't registered."

Which is interesting since we have motor-voter registration. If you
have a driver's license or ID car, you're registered to vote unless
you opt out. It's hard not to be registered, so the guy might have
been from out of state or under age. This is also an example of the
conservative bias of the media -- always interviewing the guy who
isn't registered.

A lot of the protesters were pretty ordinary people. OTOH, even
ordinary people shouldn't be blocking traffic. After getting my
property tax bill, I wanted to protest by blocking traffic -- using my
body . . . under a bus. I've got some suggestions for things to
protest, but they don't resonate much with the Bohemian set.

-- Jay Beattie.


"conservative bias of the media"

! !

There's bias both ways. Depends on which media outlet you look at.

Fully agreed about property taxes though

I don't mind paying a reasonable amount of tax. It's the price we pay
for civilization.

The word "reasonable" is not very definitive. I would assume that a
Dane who, I read, paid 62.3% in income tax in 2006 and now pays only
55.8% probably feels that his rate is quite "reasonable".
(http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denm...ncome-tax-rate)

One can only speculate whether you would too :-)

Rumpost ! We hold these truths to be self evident ...assessment (time)/property taxes equals rights

On 11/13/2016 2:35 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

snip

Interviewer: "So did you vote?"

Protester: "Well, no, I wasn't registered."

In a candidates' forum for Cupertino City Council, one candidate was
asked how he would vote on two county ballot measures. His response was
"I don't vote, I don't believe in the system." That got a good laugh
from the audience. I said "I'll take his vote and vote twice."

He also came wearing an Abe Lincoln stovepipe hat, and a fake beard.

He finished eighth out of eight apparently. They are still counting
mail-in ballots, but I'm pretty sure he'll remain in eighth. I voted for
him because he was the only other honest candidate, besides me.


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On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 1:33:07 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 11/13/2016 2:35 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

snip

Interviewer: "So did you vote?"

Protester: "Well, no, I wasn't registered."

In a candidates' forum for Cupertino City Council, one candidate was
asked how he would vote on two county ballot measures. His response was
"I don't vote, I don't believe in the system." That got a good laugh
from the audience. I said "I'll take his vote and vote twice."

He also came wearing an Abe Lincoln stovepipe hat, and a fake beard.

He finished eighth out of eight apparently. They are still counting
mail-in ballots, but I'm pretty sure he'll remain in eighth. I voted for
him because he was the only other honest candidate, besides me.


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duped again ....

On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 6:27:39 AM UTC-5, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:50:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I don't mind paying a reasonable amount of tax. It's the price we pay
for civilization.

The word "reasonable" is not very definitive. I would assume that a
Dane who, I read, paid 62.3% in income tax in 2006 and now pays only
55.8% probably feels that his rate is quite "reasonable".
(http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denm...ncome-tax-rate)

One can only speculate whether you would too :-)

I suppose I'd have to live there a while to form an opinion. But IIRC the
Danes are frequently rated to be among the world's most content citizens.

Here's a link that quickly googled up:
http://www.usnews.com/news/best-coun...rates-of-taxes

- Frank Krygowski

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2871597

John B Slocomb considered Mon, 14 Nov 2016
18:27:33 +0700 the perfect time to write:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:50:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2016 7:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:19 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:10 PM, DougC wrote:
On 11/12/2016 2:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 3:31:24 AM UTC-8, DATAKOLL MARINE
RESEARCH wrote:
http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/tru...ight/351192552



We're totally a Trump town! Those people are so super-excited that
they took to the streets!

Really, though, it's like preaching to the choir in the Peoples
Democratic Republic of Portland, and the protesters are just
****ing-off the choir. I don't get it. And then you have the
"anarchists" who are doing the property damage -- just to do property
damage. It's the Clockwork Orange crowd. They're the people who get
us on national news.

-- Jay Beattie

I am laughing sensibly,,, Portland protesters is serious business:
"You'll take my nose ring when you pry it from my cold dead nostril.
Also is the Starbucks guy here yet? Im kinda thirsty"

A couple nights ago I turned on the late night Jimmy Kimmel show (a very
rare event, BTW). Someone was interviewing a Portland protester on
camera. He said something like "I just thought it was the least I could
do to come out here and protest the election."

Interviewer: "So did you vote?"

Protester: "Well, no, I wasn't registered."

Which is interesting since we have motor-voter registration. If you
have a driver's license or ID car, you're registered to vote unless
you opt out. It's hard not to be registered, so the guy might have
been from out of state or under age. This is also an example of the
conservative bias of the media -- always interviewing the guy who
isn't registered.

A lot of the protesters were pretty ordinary people. OTOH, even
ordinary people shouldn't be blocking traffic. After getting my
property tax bill, I wanted to protest by blocking traffic -- using my
body . . . under a bus. I've got some suggestions for things to
protest, but they don't resonate much with the Bohemian set.

-- Jay Beattie.


"conservative bias of the media"

! !

There's bias both ways. Depends on which media outlet you look at.

Fully agreed about property taxes though

I don't mind paying a reasonable amount of tax. It's the price we pay
for civilization.

The word "reasonable" is not very definitive. I would assume that a
Dane who, I read, paid 62.3% in income tax in 2006 and now pays only
55.8% probably feels that his rate is quite "reasonable".
(http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denm...ncome-tax-rate)

"The benchmark we use refers to the Top Marginal Tax Rate for
individuals."

The UK rate they give on that site is 45%, which is the rate which
NOBODY pays, just as NOBODY pays the 55.8% rate in Denmark.

Those rates are what is paid on the income surplus over the highest
taxable earnings threshold. In both countries, the minimum income tax
rate is zero - below a certain income level, you don't pay tax at all
(there's not much point in taking money away with one hand to pay it
back as welfare with the other). Between those extremes, income tax
is banded, and you only pay a higher rate on the income in excess of
the start of that band, after the zero, and each lower tax band are
fully utilised.
And of course, there are some things for which one can claim tax
exemption, which also get deducted from what is included in "taxable
income"

One can only speculate whether you would too :-)

One can only speculate as the purpose of the site you linked to, as
the data it gives is of no practical value to anyone, and can at best
be described as misleading, and if not for the hidden explanatory note
(which just about gets them off the hook) outright lying, although I'm
not sure who is supposed to benefit from those misdirections. Clearly
there is some agenda hidden in producing such a misleading set of
figures.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trum...nds-1479143922

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 03:32:05 +0000, Phil Lee
wrote:

John B Slocomb considered Mon, 14 Nov 2016
18:27:33 +0700 the perfect time to write:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:50:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2016 7:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:19 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2016 5:10 PM, DougC wrote:
On 11/12/2016 2:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 3:31:24 AM UTC-8, DATAKOLL MARINE
RESEARCH wrote:
http://www.kgw.com/mb/news/local/tru...ight/351192552



We're totally a Trump town! Those people are so super-excited that
they took to the streets!

Really, though, it's like preaching to the choir in the Peoples
Democratic Republic of Portland, and the protesters are just
****ing-off the choir. I don't get it. And then you have the
"anarchists" who are doing the property damage -- just to do property
damage. It's the Clockwork Orange crowd. They're the people who get
us on national news.

-- Jay Beattie

I am laughing sensibly,,, Portland protesters is serious business:
"You'll take my nose ring when you pry it from my cold dead nostril.
Also is the Starbucks guy here yet? Im kinda thirsty"

A couple nights ago I turned on the late night Jimmy Kimmel show (a very
rare event, BTW). Someone was interviewing a Portland protester on
camera. He said something like "I just thought it was the least I could
do to come out here and protest the election."

Interviewer: "So did you vote?"

Protester: "Well, no, I wasn't registered."

Which is interesting since we have motor-voter registration. If you
have a driver's license or ID car, you're registered to vote unless
you opt out. It's hard not to be registered, so the guy might have
been from out of state or under age. This is also an example of the
conservative bias of the media -- always interviewing the guy who
isn't registered.

A lot of the protesters were pretty ordinary people. OTOH, even
ordinary people shouldn't be blocking traffic. After getting my
property tax bill, I wanted to protest by blocking traffic -- using my
body . . . under a bus. I've got some suggestions for things to
protest, but they don't resonate much with the Bohemian set.

-- Jay Beattie.


"conservative bias of the media"

! !

There's bias both ways. Depends on which media outlet you look at.

Fully agreed about property taxes though

I don't mind paying a reasonable amount of tax. It's the price we pay
for civilization.

The word "reasonable" is not very definitive. I would assume that a
Dane who, I read, paid 62.3% in income tax in 2006 and now pays only
55.8% probably feels that his rate is quite "reasonable".
(http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denm...ncome-tax-rate)

"The benchmark we use refers to the Top Marginal Tax Rate for
individuals."

The UK rate they give on that site is 45%, which is the rate which
NOBODY pays, just as NOBODY pays the 55.8% rate in Denmark.

Those rates are what is paid on the income surplus over the highest
taxable earnings threshold. In both countries, the minimum income tax
rate is zero - below a certain income level, you don't pay tax at all
(there's not much point in taking money away with one hand to pay it
back as welfare with the other). Between those extremes, income tax
is banded, and you only pay a higher rate on the income in excess of
the start of that band, after the zero, and each lower tax band are
fully utilised.
And of course, there are some things for which one can claim tax
exemption, which also get deducted from what is included in "taxable
income"

One can only speculate whether you would too :-)

One can only speculate as the purpose of the site you linked to, as
the data it gives is of no practical value to anyone, and can at best
be described as misleading, and if not for the hidden explanatory note
(which just about gets them off the hook) outright lying, although I'm
not sure who is supposed to benefit from those misdirections. Clearly
there is some agenda hidden in producing such a misleading set of
figures.

Re U.K. Taxes? Remember when Margaret initiated the new tax and the
cries of joy that were heard throughout the land?