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Iraq responsibility was promoting "smart growth"
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------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Clark F Morris" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:28:46 -0700, "Baxter" wrote: "Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message et... In article , Baxter wrote: Why is it we can spend $100 Billion on building Iraq, but not $2 billion on our own nation? Be happy about that -- do you really want even 2% of the **** that's going on in Iraq? I want us OUT of Iraq, and building our OWN country. After instituting regime change, the US took on a responsibility to all those in Iraq who tried to make it work. While I am dubious about the invasion and the reasoning behind it, it would be insane to leave things open to something even worse than Sadaam for the people of Iraq. It also would signal that it is not safe to ally with the United States and that resisting them passively is safer. Gamblers excuse. We need to recognize it's past time to cut our losses - we'll come out ahead in the long run. |
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Iraq responsibility was promoting "smart growth"
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:41:56 -0700, "Baxter"
wrote: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Clark F Morris" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:28:46 -0700, "Baxter" wrote: "Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message et... In article , Baxter wrote: Why is it we can spend $100 Billion on building Iraq, but not $2 billion on our own nation? Be happy about that -- do you really want even 2% of the **** that's going on in Iraq? I want us OUT of Iraq, and building our OWN country. After instituting regime change, the US took on a responsibility to all those in Iraq who tried to make it work. While I am dubious about the invasion and the reasoning behind it, it would be insane to leave things open to something even worse than Sadaam for the people of Iraq. It also would signal that it is not safe to ally with the United States and that resisting them passively is safer. Gamblers excuse. We need to recognize it's past time to cut our losses - we'll come out ahead in the long run. The US took on a responsibility to those who cooperated with it after the invasion. How it treats those people may determine how US troops are treated in the future. Many people are risking their lives daily to make Iraq work. I for one don't want to see them left to the tender mercies of the various groups directing the suicide bombers. |
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promoting "smart growth"
"Baxter" wrote in message ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "di" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... "di" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... - . Why is it we can spend $100 Billion on building Iraq, but not $2 billion on our own nation? Our own nation is not New Orleans, New Oreans IS part of the United States. we already sunk millions into that place, most of the people there are not willing to even help themselves. Most of the people there CANNOT help themselves - the System has made sure of that -- and Continues to make sure of that. This is a good example of the liberal mentality, after all these years they still think they can pick up a turd by the clean end. Any person or group can help inprove their own status, it takes a little ambition, a little patience, and a lot of work, 3 things that are missing in places like New Orleans. The "system" you are referring to is the very system you are promoting. You think the solution to any problem is to throw more money at it, especially someone else's money. What's "liberal" about taking care of your own people instead of throwing away our tax money on Iraqi's who hate us? Because we've already spent millions down there, it was mostly all squandered to waste and corruption with very little noticeable results. |
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promoting "smart growth"
"Baxter" wrote in message ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message newsM6Sh.29942$B7.458@bigfe9... "Baxter" wrote in message ... "di" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... - . Why is it we can spend $100 Billion on building Iraq, but not $2 billion on our own nation? Our own nation is not New Orleans, New Oreans IS part of the United States. we already sunk millions into that place, most of the people there are not willing to even help themselves. Most of the people there CANNOT help themselves - the System has made sure of that -- and Continues to make sure of that. So you're saying that the democratic process that would have allowed them to elect a more helpful mayor was rigged? Do stay on track - the issue is whether we spend hundreds of billions of dollars on Iraqi's or whether we spend a tenth of that on our own people. (and yes, there are reports that elections are not particularly fair in LA.) Then why did you bring up your feeling that the people of Louisiana are somehow downtrodden in a way that Mississippians aren't? What does the amount of money we are spending in Iraq have to do with urban planning, when you get down to it? |
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Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006
In article , Bill wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote: Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006 That just proves that there is a huge amount of corruption in both the industry as well as the presidency (Bush == big oil puppet). FYI: Occidental is the pet oil company of the Gore family. Not that shrub doesn't have pet oil companies, but Occidental isn't his. While vice president Al Gore gave Occidental a deal that made teapot dome look small. |
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Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
Bill wrote: donquijote1954 wrote: Talking about a Darwinian world, here's one of the oil kings making a gargantuan sum of money... Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006 CHICAGO (Reuters) - Occidental Petroleum Corp.'s chairman and chief executive took in more than $400 million in compensation last year, the company said in a filing, one of the biggest single-year payouts in U.S. corporate history. http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070407/occid..._pay.html?.v=8 But, see, bicycles only make peanuts for them. That just proves that there is a huge amount of corruption in both the industry as well as the presidency (Bush == big oil puppet). For gas to be headed towards the $4/gallon mark and the CEO's and oil shareholders making obscene profits is just not right. They should be hurting along with the rest of the country, Why? The rest of the country really isn't hurting that much - sure we're spending more on gas, but demand hasn't gone down significantly, nor are people starving to put gas in their cars. This only shows the stupidity of some (most?) Americans. I have 2 little 4 bangers and just to drive the 11 mile round trip to see my friend is over a dollar. I can ride a bike there but sometimes I am carrying computer equipment. It is a LITTLE car I drive and all the stuff fits. So why are these people driving these lame ass SUV's? not getting richer at the expense of everyone else in the country. Would you prefer a gov't owned oil industry - like Mexico or Venezuela (and I presume many middle eastern countries) have? If you mean a Bush owned oil industry, then Hell no! I know the CEOs take an unfair share of the money, but the government would set up so many study committees that it would take more money than the CEOs cost. Of course, you don't see Bush even thinking about an SUV gas guzzler tax either. Why should he? Because after 8 years he should be remembered for getting at least one thing right. Bill Baka Again. |
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Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:09:23 GMT, Bill wrote:
So why are these people driving these lame ass SUV's? Again. People drive lame-ass SUV's because they occasionally need one and only have money enough for 1 vehicle. They occasionally need one because: 1) It snows like hell at least a few times a year, they have to drive it, and anything else they might buy has a higher chance of getting stuck in the snow. 2) They have more than 2 kids, and at least 2 of them still require child safety seats. Put 2 child safety seats in the back seat, and you aren't putting anything else there. They need a 3rd row of seats. 3) They need a vehicle that will haul stuff out into the suburbs, stuff from Home Depot, Lowes, etc. 4) They want to pull a big boat or some other trailer for recreation, and the SUV is about the only thing other than a truck that is up to the job. Some people actually buy the trucks for this, but other people don't like that either. 5) What they really need is a large station wagon, but Federal laws have made it all but impossible to build those, so the next best thing is an SUV. |
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Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006
"Dave Head" wrote in message ... On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:09:23 GMT, Bill wrote: So why are these people driving these lame ass SUV's? Again. People drive lame-ass SUV's because they occasionally need one and only have money enough for 1 vehicle. They occasionally need one because: 1) It snows like hell at least a few times a year, they have to drive it, and anything else they might buy has a higher chance of getting stuck in the snow. 2) They have more than 2 kids, and at least 2 of them still require child safety seats. Put 2 child safety seats in the back seat, and you aren't putting anything else there. They need a 3rd row of seats. 3) They need a vehicle that will haul stuff out into the suburbs, stuff from Home Depot, Lowes, etc. 4) They want to pull a big boat or some other trailer for recreation, and the SUV is about the only thing other than a truck that is up to the job. Some people actually buy the trucks for this, but other people don't like that either. 5) What they really need is a large station wagon, but Federal laws have made it all but impossible to build those, so the next best thing is an SUV. Number 6, they might just want one. |
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Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 06:49:05 -0500, "di" wrote:
"Dave Head" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:09:23 GMT, Bill wrote: So why are these people driving these lame ass SUV's? Again. People drive lame-ass SUV's because they occasionally need one and only have money enough for 1 vehicle. They occasionally need one because: 1) It snows like hell at least a few times a year, they have to drive it, and anything else they might buy has a higher chance of getting stuck in the snow. 2) They have more than 2 kids, and at least 2 of them still require child safety seats. Put 2 child safety seats in the back seat, and you aren't putting anything else there. They need a 3rd row of seats. 3) They need a vehicle that will haul stuff out into the suburbs, stuff from Home Depot, Lowes, etc. 4) They want to pull a big boat or some other trailer for recreation, and the SUV is about the only thing other than a truck that is up to the job. Some people actually buy the trucks for this, but other people don't like that either. 5) What they really need is a large station wagon, but Federal laws have made it all but impossible to build those, so the next best thing is an SUV. Number 6, they might just want one. There is that, too. |
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Bush could used those taxes for
On Apr 8, 6:40 pm, "Fred G. Mackey" wrote:
Bill wrote: donquijote1954 wrote: Talking about a Darwinian world, here's one of the oil kings making a gargantuan sum of money... Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006 CHICAGO (Reuters) - Occidental Petroleum Corp.'s chairman and chief executive took in more than $400 million in compensation last year, the company said in a filing, one of the biggest single-year payouts in U.S. corporate history. http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070407/occid..._pay.html?.v=8 But, see, bicycles only make peanuts for them. That just proves that there is a huge amount of corruption in both the industry as well as the presidency (Bush == big oil puppet). For gas to be headed towards the $4/gallon mark and the CEO's and oil shareholders making obscene profits is just not right. They should be hurting along with the rest of the country, Why? The rest of the country really isn't hurting that much - sure we're spending more on gas, but demand hasn't gone down significantly, nor are people starving to put gas in their cars. Maybe the filthy rich and upper middle class aren't hurting that much, but those at the botom are... Cost of war filtering down to states, cities By STEVEN K. PAULSON Associated Press Writer DENVER (AP) - The cost of the Iraq war is filtering down to state and local budgets, forcing cuts in transportation funding, Medicaid, education and other federally subsidized programs, according to analysts and lawmakers. Just how big that impact has been is unclear. What state lawmakers do say is that the $456 billion already spent or appropriated for the war could have gone a long way toward helping them balance their own budgets. In Colorado, lawmakers expect to lose about $200 million in federal funding for the next fiscal year, forcing the state to cut back on programs that receive federal money. "These are funds that we aren't going to receive. Low Energy Assistance Program, $9.8 million, gone. Head Start, $3.7 million, gone. Child Care and Development Block Grant, $1.1 million. Community Development Block Grant, $13.5 million. Special Ed, $8.8 million," House Majority Leader Alice Madden, D-Boulder, said during a debate Thursday over a state resolution opposing the escalation of the war in Iraq. http://www.helenair.com/articles/200...na/000cost.txt not getting richer at the expense of everyone else in the country. Would you prefer a gov't owned oil industry - like Mexico or Venezuela (and I presume many middle eastern countries) have? When the goverment is owned by Big Oil, what's the diff? Of course, you don't see Bush even thinking about an SUV gas guzzler tax either. Why should he? Because then he could used those taxes for a) pay for the war and b)subsidize alternative transportation. The flag waving SUVs shows what classes are for the war: those at the top of the food chain. |
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