More on relative risks and benefits of cycling

James wrote:
On 16/07/13 02:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Monday, July 15, 2013 12:36:25 AM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:

IKf you want to be heard, don't use Google Groups. Many of us have
a blanket killfile for GG because so much crap comes from there.

OK, I'm open to suggestions.

My situation: I have three different computers I need to use, in
three different locations. One runs WinXP, one runs Ubuntu Linux,
one runs Win Vista (although it's set up as a dual boot with Ubuntu).


For a while, I used Eternal September on this machine, but it went
south on me. And even with help from a capable computer nerd who owns
an identical machine, I couldn't get it (or actually, its access
through Thunderbird) working on Linux. (Among his computer nerd
credentials, "I had the flu for a week and didn't have energy for
anything else, so I just built another computer.")

GG is crappy for many reasons, but it is immediately accessible from
anywhere using almost any device that can hit the internet. What
alternatives do you suggest? (Please be explicit, since I'm far from
expert.)


I use eternal-september.whatevertheyare and thunderbird on old Ubuntu,
newer Ubuntu and Windows 7, all without a hitch.

Fedora, Windows7 with tbird and on my iPhone with a news app. No issues.


--
duane

On 16/07/13 02:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Monday, July 15, 2013 12:36:25 AM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:

IKf you want to be heard, don't use Google Groups. Many of us have
a blanket killfile for GG because so much crap comes from there.

OK, I'm open to suggestions.

My situation: I have three different computers I need to use, in
three different locations. One runs WinXP, one runs Ubuntu Linux,
one runs Win Vista (although it's set up as a dual boot with Ubuntu).


For a while, I used Eternal September on this machine, but it went
south on me. And even with help from a capable computer nerd who owns
an identical machine, I couldn't get it (or actually, its access
through Thunderbird) working on Linux. (Among his computer nerd
credentials, "I had the flu for a week and didn't have energy for
anything else, so I just built another computer.")

GG is crappy for many reasons, but it is immediately accessible from
anywhere using almost any device that can hit the internet. What
alternatives do you suggest? (Please be explicit, since I'm far from
expert.)


I use eternal-september.whatevertheyare and thunderbird on old Ubuntu,
newer Ubuntu and Windows 7, all without a hitch.

--
JS

On 07-15-2013 12:22, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Speaking for myself: Whenever I'm at the same speed as motor vehicle traffic, I'm at lane center. In some cases, it may not meet the letter of the law*, but it causes no obstruction of traffic and is safer.

I don't feel that I need to be in the center of the lane, but if I
intend to go straight, I make sure no one turning left can possibly do
it in front of me.

Regarding the light turning green: I'm an old retired guy, but I still make it across almost every intersection without delaying the next vehicle behind me. It's very easy to pay more attention to the light than most motorists, and thus start before they even notice a fresh green. It's also still easy for me to accelerate faster than they do, at least for the first fifteen feet, which gives me enough head start.

Must have a lot of day-dreamers in Ohio. Some places I've been, drivers
get ready to lay on the horn when the cross-light turns yellow.

--
Wes Groleau

The man who says, “I can do it!" may sometimes fail.
The man who says, “Impossible!" will never succeed.

On 07-15-2013 17:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Jay specifically posted those to indicate that bicycling is dangerous; yet it has very little to do with typical bicycling. It's pertinent only to those most addicted to either adrenaline or competition.

It's generally more productive to analyze what someone actually said
than to pretend you have psychic knowledge of their motives.

--
Wes Groleau

The man who says, “I can do it!" may sometimes fail.
The man who says, “Impossible!" will never succeed.

On 07-15-2013 12:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Monday, July 15, 2013 12:36:25 AM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:
IKf you want to be heard, don't use Google Groups. Many of us
have a blanket killfile for GG because so much crap comes from there.

OK, I'm open to suggestions.

My situation: I have three different computers I need to use, in three different locations. One runs WinXP, one runs Ubuntu Linux, one runs Win Vista (although it's set up as a dual boot with Ubuntu).

For a while, I used Eternal September on this machine, but it went south on me. And even with help from a capable computer nerd who owns an identical machine, I couldn't get it (or actually, its access through Thunderbird) working on Linux. (Among his computer nerd credentials, "I had the flu for a week and didn't have energy for anything else, so I just built another computer.")

GG is crappy for many reasons, but it is immediately accessible from anywhere using almost any device that can hit the internet. What alternatives do you suggest? (Please be explicit, since I'm far from expert.)

Whether or not GG add those totally stupid blank lines is not the issue.
With or without those, there is (usually) NO reason to quote the
entire conversation as context for your reply.

That said, here is my answer to your question:

http://portableapps.com/


--
Wes Groleau

The man who says, “I can do it!" may sometimes fail.
The man who says, “Impossible!" will never succeed.

On Monday, July 15, 2013 10:57:51 PM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:

Whether or not GG add those totally stupid blank lines is not the issue.

With or without those, there is (usually) NO reason to quote the

entire conversation as context for your reply.

.... which is why I generally don't quote the entire conversation, unless it's very new and brief. Ask Dan, who regularly complains that I trim too much.

Thanks for the software tip. I'll check it out.

- Frank Krygowski

On 16/07/13 15:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
Frank Krygowski considered Mon, 15 Jul 2013
09:14:09 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

On Monday, July 15, 2013 12:36:25 AM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:

IKf you want to be heard, don't use Google Groups. Many of us
have a blanket killfile for GG because so much crap comes from
there.

OK, I'm open to suggestions.

My situation: I have three different computers I need to use, in
three different locations. One runs WinXP, one runs Ubuntu Linux,
one runs Win Vista (although it's set up as a dual boot with
Ubuntu).

Windows is the problem of the three, ...

IFTFY.

Solution? Download a fresh copy of Ubuntu and install on to a USB stick
as a bootable OS with some persistent memory. Boot all x86 machines
using the same USB stick where ever you go, and you have one platform
that works just about where ever you take it.

--
JS

On 7/16/2013 1:50 AM, James wrote:
On 16/07/13 15:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
Frank Krygowski considered Mon, 15 Jul 2013
09:14:09 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

On Monday, July 15, 2013 12:36:25 AM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:

IKf you want to be heard, don't use Google Groups. Many of us
have a blanket killfile for GG because so much crap comes from
there.

OK, I'm open to suggestions.

My situation: I have three different computers I need to use, in
three different locations. One runs WinXP, one runs Ubuntu Linux,
one runs Win Vista (although it's set up as a dual boot with
Ubuntu).

Windows is the problem of the three, ...

IFTFY.


ROTFLMAO.

Solution? Download a fresh copy of Ubuntu and install on to a USB stick
as a bootable OS with some persistent memory. Boot all x86 machines
using the same USB stick where ever you go, and you have one platform
that works just about where ever you take it.


I guess that would work but the NNTP server caches the messages. Each
time you log on just look at the new ones that you didn't read and then
mark all read at the end. I usually set it to hide read messages.
Doesn't seem like a big problem. Especially not compared to using GG.

On 17/07/13 03:33, Phil W Lee wrote:
James considered Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:50:34
+1000 the perfect time to write:

On 16/07/13 15:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
Frank Krygowski considered Mon, 15 Jul 2013
09:14:09 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

On Monday, July 15, 2013 12:36:25 AM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:

IKf you want to be heard, don't use Google Groups. Many of us
have a blanket killfile for GG because so much crap comes from
there.

OK, I'm open to suggestions.

My situation: I have three different computers I need to use, in
three different locations. One runs WinXP, one runs Ubuntu Linux,
one runs Win Vista (although it's set up as a dual boot with
Ubuntu).

Windows is the problem of the three, ...

IFTFY.

Solution? Download a fresh copy of Ubuntu and install on to a USB stick
as a bootable OS with some persistent memory. Boot all x86 machines
using the same USB stick where ever you go, and you have one platform
that works just about where ever you take it.

What on earth leads you to believe that the old XP machine will even
be capable of booting from USB?

What on earth makes you think the machine is too old because it runs XP?
My second desktop PC here has XP from about 7-8 years ago and boots
from USB just fine.

Even if it will, I don't assume that someone can just change to a
different operating system just because of one application.

There is little you can't do on Linux these days, unless you must have
some specialty software that is limited to a second rate operating
system only. There are some of course, and at times I'm forced to use
Microsnot, but for the average computer abuser, there's usually an
alternative. Wine has even worked for me at times, or VMWare. The lack
of viruses and other security concerns is an added bonus.

If you can't come up with a solution that works in the existing
environment, then you haven't come up with one at all.

*IF* That statement is equally applicable to your "solution". There
are some Linux apps that won't run or are less functional on Woedows.

Or maybe you just move house whenever a room needs decorating?
Or get a new bike because the old one punctured a tyre.

Go stamp your little feet elsewhere.

--
JS

James writes:

On 17/07/13 03:33, Phil W Lee wrote:
James considered Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:50:34
+1000 the perfect time to write:

On 16/07/13 15:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
Frank Krygowski considered Mon, 15 Jul 2013
09:14:09 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

On Monday, July 15, 2013 12:36:25 AM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:

IKf you want to be heard, don't use Google Groups. Many of us
have a blanket killfile for GG because so much crap comes from
there.

OK, I'm open to suggestions.

My situation: I have three different computers I need to use, in
three different locations. One runs WinXP, one runs Ubuntu Linux,
one runs Win Vista (although it's set up as a dual boot with
Ubuntu).

Windows is the problem of the three, ...

IFTFY.

Solution? Download a fresh copy of Ubuntu and install on to a USB stick
as a bootable OS with some persistent memory. Boot all x86 machines
using the same USB stick where ever you go, and you have one platform
that works just about where ever you take it.

What on earth leads you to believe that the old XP machine will even
be capable of booting from USB?

What on earth makes you think the machine is too old because it runs XP?
My second desktop PC here has XP from about 7-8 years ago and boots
from USB just fine.


Well, I have a *bunch* of machines from before USB was invented.

Even if it will, I don't assume that someone can just change to a
different operating system just because of one application.

There is little you can't do on Linux these days, unless you must have
some specialty software that is limited to a second rate operating
system only. There are some of course, and at times I'm forced to use
Microsnot, but for the average computer abuser, there's usually an
alternative. Wine has even worked for me at times, or VMWare. The lack
of viruses and other security concerns is an added bonus.


Considering Linux gives you the source code for the operating
system, it is the least limiting choice.

If you can't come up with a solution that works in the existing
environment, then you haven't come up with one at all.

*IF* That statement is equally applicable to your "solution". There
are some Linux apps that won't run or are less functional on Woedows.


Many.

My suggestion probably won't go over very well, but here it is:

Click reply or whatever you usually do. Cut the entire contents of the
buffer and paste into a plain text editor. If this is Notepad, turn
off line wrap and then turn on the status bar. Now you have a column
indicator on the status bar.

Snip superfluous text. Clean up the remaining quoted text. (I don't
bother breaking long lines in quoted text, but will append a new line
and quote indicator to delimit them.)

(If you really want to be clever, write a program or script to do the
cleanup for you.)

Add what you have to say, terminating lines with the "Enter" key at 72
columns or less.

Copy the whole works back into your news buffer and send.

Pretty much any computer should have a plain text editor for the
purpose.

It may sound tedious, but what's really tedious and frustrating is
trying to do *anything* in the scripty new Google Groups. You might
find this method not so bad after all, as Notepad will let you hammer
the message into exactly what you want without giving you any trouble
about it.

(My favorite suggestion, though, was keeping your .newsrc file
somewhere accessible in the cloud.)