Dirty word: Lube

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

I prefer a more traditional formulation for my chain lube:

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Macbeth (IV, i, 14-15)

One side benefit of this formula is the smell acts as a good bicyle
theft deterrent.

BS works well too......................


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On 09/04/17 03:59, wrote:
On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 12:51:40 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

A few weeks ago I applied my wax/oil chain lube, just before starting a
cycling touring holiday that went for 9 days. We encountered 4 days
where it rained for a good part of that days ride. The average day was
near 100km long. I've since added another 200km or so, and my chain
might be ready for another wax/oil application by now. Note that I just
got home from an 80km ride and the chain doesn't squeak or sound dry.

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

There was one other guy who used a wax based solution that he'd mixed
himself from a recipe he found online. It consists of paraffin wax,
paraffin oil and xylene solvent. He didn't need to make any chain
maintenance stops either.

The other guy's receipe? Was it for a lube that had to be applied hot
or was the xylene enough to allow it to be applied as a liquid and
then dry in place?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhM_FaRsw2Y


His second video is probably the mixture the other guy used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D12BFIXZCes

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JS

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:51:30 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message
news
On 4/8/2017 7:50 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 19:13:04 +1000, James
wrote:

On 08/04/17 17:51, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

A few weeks ago I applied my wax/oil chain lube, just before starting
a
cycling touring holiday that went for 9 days. We encountered 4 days
where it rained for a good part of that days ride. The average day
was
near 100km long. I've since added another 200km or so, and my chain
might be ready for another wax/oil application by now. Note that I
just
got home from an 80km ride and the chain doesn't squeak or sound dry.

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

There was one other guy who used a wax based solution that he'd mixed
himself from a recipe he found online. It consists of paraffin wax,
paraffin oil and xylene solvent. He didn't need to make any chain
maintenance stops either.

The other guy's receipe? Was it for a lube that had to be applied hot
or was the xylene enough to allow it to be applied as a liquid and
then dry in place?


Apparently it could be liquified by immersing the plastic bottle it was
in, in hot water. I should think mine would do that too, but I also
think the penetration is much better if the chain is heated with the
wax.

Interesting. I use paraffin with about 20% beeswax added and some
molybdenum disulfide. The idea was that the added beeswax would make
the mix more adhesive, although now I'm not sure if it is necessary.
I've got an electric pot and I just chuck the chain in and turn the
pot on and leave it alone until I can be sure that the thermostat has
cycled a time or two so the chain reaches the temperature of the
melted wax mix.

As you say, a waxed chain just lasts and lasts and what I was thinking
about was some sort of liquid wax mix that would dry after application
so one could carry a small bottle in the tool bag. Then if things
started to squeak one could do something about it. Although I'm not
sure that is necessary as my waxed chains have never squeaked :-)

I've wished for a method of re-waxing on long tours, but I finally decided
it wasn't necessary. After a fresh hot application of my wax-oil mix, it
takes many hundreds of miles to get the first hints of a squeak.

Haven't bothered lubing the chain since Autumn - its bone dry now, but no
sign of any squeak.

The grease I used was molybdenum disulphide car wheel bearing grease - it
surface treats the moving surfaces with molybdenum.

I used to use the tub of wax chain treatment for motorcycle chains, you
place the chain on the surface and heat it on a stove till the wax melts -
it carries some risk of ruining the temper of the steel if you're not
careful to only get it as hot as it needs to be.

Hmmm... all of my motorcycles had chain oilers. I can't ever remember
doing anything to a motorcycle chain other than adjusting the tension
a time or two.

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:53:05 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

I prefer a more traditional formulation for my chain lube:

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Macbeth (IV, i, 14-15)

One side benefit of this formula is the smell acts as a good bicyle
theft deterrent.

BS works well too......................

Does it? I had never heard of that particular method.

Tell us, does one apply it wet? Or can it be dried and later mixed
with water? Does one boil it in a pot like paraffin? Is CS or HS or
even BCS equally as effective for a lubricant?

On 4/9/2017 6:17 AM, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:53:05 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

I prefer a more traditional formulation for my chain lube:

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Macbeth (IV, i, 14-15)

One side benefit of this formula is the smell acts as a good bicyle
theft deterrent.

BS works well too......................

Does it? I had never heard of that particular method.

Tell us, does one apply it wet? Or can it be dried and later mixed
with water? Does one boil it in a pot like paraffin? Is CS or HS or
even BCS equally as effective for a lubricant?


In my area, where dairy cows are abundant, losing traction
to a spread of cow poop across a road is not unknown,
especially in a light rain or on a curve. I met Harvey
Spiegelhoff after his own cows dealt a death blow to his
1936 US Team bike's fork.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/harvey.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

"John B Slocomb" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:51:30 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message
news
On 4/8/2017 7:50 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 19:13:04 +1000, James
wrote:

On 08/04/17 17:51, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

A few weeks ago I applied my wax/oil chain lube, just before
starting
a
cycling touring holiday that went for 9 days. We encountered 4 days
where it rained for a good part of that days ride. The average day
was
near 100km long. I've since added another 200km or so, and my chain
might be ready for another wax/oil application by now. Note that I
just
got home from an 80km ride and the chain doesn't squeak or sound
dry.

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube
to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively
expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

There was one other guy who used a wax based solution that he'd
mixed
himself from a recipe he found online. It consists of paraffin wax,
paraffin oil and xylene solvent. He didn't need to make any chain
maintenance stops either.

The other guy's receipe? Was it for a lube that had to be applied hot
or was the xylene enough to allow it to be applied as a liquid and
then dry in place?


Apparently it could be liquified by immersing the plastic bottle it
was
in, in hot water. I should think mine would do that too, but I also
think the penetration is much better if the chain is heated with the
wax.

Interesting. I use paraffin with about 20% beeswax added and some
molybdenum disulfide. The idea was that the added beeswax would make
the mix more adhesive, although now I'm not sure if it is necessary.
I've got an electric pot and I just chuck the chain in and turn the
pot on and leave it alone until I can be sure that the thermostat has
cycled a time or two so the chain reaches the temperature of the
melted wax mix.

As you say, a waxed chain just lasts and lasts and what I was thinking
about was some sort of liquid wax mix that would dry after application
so one could carry a small bottle in the tool bag. Then if things
started to squeak one could do something about it. Although I'm not
sure that is necessary as my waxed chains have never squeaked :-)

I've wished for a method of re-waxing on long tours, but I finally
decided
it wasn't necessary. After a fresh hot application of my wax-oil mix,
it
takes many hundreds of miles to get the first hints of a squeak.

Haven't bothered lubing the chain since Autumn - its bone dry now, but no
sign of any squeak.

The grease I used was molybdenum disulphide car wheel bearing grease - it
surface treats the moving surfaces with molybdenum.

I used to use the tub of wax chain treatment for motorcycle chains, you
place the chain on the surface and heat it on a stove till the wax melts -
it carries some risk of ruining the temper of the steel if you're not
careful to only get it as hot as it needs to be.

Hmmm... all of my motorcycles had chain oilers. I can't ever remember
doing anything to a motorcycle chain other than adjusting the tension
a time or two.


Only my last motorcycle had an oiler - I might probably bother fitting to
any in future.

Most use intake vacuum for metering - so not much use on a bicycle.


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On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 9:11:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2017 6:17 AM, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:53:05 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

I prefer a more traditional formulation for my chain lube:

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Macbeth (IV, i, 14-15)

One side benefit of this formula is the smell acts as a good bicyle
theft deterrent.

BS works well too......................

Does it? I had never heard of that particular method.

Tell us, does one apply it wet? Or can it be dried and later mixed
with water? Does one boil it in a pot like paraffin? Is CS or HS or
even BCS equally as effective for a lubricant?


In my area, where dairy cows are abundant, losing traction
to a spread of cow poop across a road is not unknown,
especially in a light rain or on a curve. I met Harvey
Spiegelhoff after his own cows dealt a death blow to his
1936 US Team bike's fork.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/harvey.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Now THAT is a story.

What became of the League of American Wheelmen?

On 4/9/2017 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 9:11:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2017 6:17 AM, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:53:05 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

I prefer a more traditional formulation for my chain lube:

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Macbeth (IV, i, 14-15)

One side benefit of this formula is the smell acts as a good bicyle
theft deterrent.

BS works well too......................

Does it? I had never heard of that particular method.

Tell us, does one apply it wet? Or can it be dried and later mixed
with water? Does one boil it in a pot like paraffin? Is CS or HS or
even BCS equally as effective for a lubricant?


In my area, where dairy cows are abundant, losing traction
to a spread of cow poop across a road is not unknown,
especially in a light rain or on a curve. I met Harvey
Spiegelhoff after his own cows dealt a death blow to his
1936 US Team bike's fork.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/harvey.html

Now THAT is a story.

What became of the League of American Wheelmen?


Hijacked by the Bolsheviks.
It's become a self-licking ice cream cone to pump tax
dollars into the staff of League of American Wheelmen. Any
benefit to cyclists (which may happen some day) is
incidental and unintended.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/9/2017 7:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2017 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 9:11:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2017 6:17 AM, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 20:53:05 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:42:32 +1000, James
wrote:

I observed numerous others on the ride spending time applying
lube to
their chain, mostly in the form of commercial and relatively
expensive
wax in solvent preparations.

I prefer a more traditional formulation for my chain lube:

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Macbeth (IV, i, 14-15)

One side benefit of this formula is the smell acts as a good bicyle
theft deterrent.

BS works well too......................

Does it? I had never heard of that particular method.

Tell us, does one apply it wet? Or can it be dried and later mixed
with water? Does one boil it in a pot like paraffin? Is CS or HS or
even BCS equally as effective for a lubricant?


In my area, where dairy cows are abundant, losing traction
to a spread of cow poop across a road is not unknown,
especially in a light rain or on a curve. I met Harvey
Spiegelhoff after his own cows dealt a death blow to his
1936 US Team bike's fork.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/harvey.html

Now THAT is a story.

What became of the League of American Wheelmen?


Hijacked by the Bolsheviks.
It's become a self-licking ice cream cone to pump tax dollars into the
staff of League of American Wheelmen. Any benefit to cyclists (which may
happen some day) is incidental and unintended.

I agree completely. I stopped being a member years ago. Our club
recently voted to drop its affiliation.

One of the last straws for me was when some anonymous League official
posted a sort of white paper to a cycling instructor email list,
claiming that door zone bike lanes are just fine.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 19:36:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 4/9/2017 7:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2017 4:37 PM, wrote:

Now THAT is a story.

What became of the League of American Wheelmen?


Hijacked by the Bolsheviks. It's become a self-licking ice cream cone
to pump tax dollars into the staff of League of American Wheelmen.
Any benefit to cyclists (which may happen some day) is incidental and
unintended.

I agree completely. I stopped being a member years ago. Our club
recently voted to drop its affiliation.

One of the last straws for me was when some anonymous League official
posted a sort of white paper to a cycling instructor email list,
claiming that door zone bike lanes are just fine.

I killed off my LAW membership well over a decade ago, when they were
taken over by lobbyists looking to pad their own bank accounts rather
than continuing to be an association of bicyclists that sometimes stood
up for themelves on bike-related issues. After the third or fourth
"send us money or you will lose your right to ride your bike" mailing I
told 'em to **** off.