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On Mon, 08 May 2017 11:58:43 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-05-08 07:37, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? Maybe you have too much European ancestry :-) And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. The bike clothes made in Thailand, and I suspect, in China are made in local and foreign sizes and there is about one size difference between the sizes. I've actually got a pair of bike shorts with a label saying "Asia - M, Eur - S". We have an annual Bicycle Expo and I've talked to one of the larger manufacturer of athletic clothing and they are well aware of the differences in size and are quick to tell you if you ask "is this a American or Thai medium?" -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 1:06:01 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 08 May 2017 11:58:43 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-05-08 07:37, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? Maybe you have too much European ancestry :-) And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. The bike clothes made in Thailand, and I suspect, in China are made in local and foreign sizes and there is about one size difference between the sizes. I've actually got a pair of bike shorts with a label saying "Asia - M, Eur - S". We have an annual Bicycle Expo and I've talked to one of the larger manufacturer of athletic clothing and they are well aware of the differences in size and are quick to tell you if you ask "is this a American or Thai medium?" -- Cheers, John B. Since I'm 6'4" the length is hard to get correct. I need a back length of 29" and most are 28" which is just enough so that I can't reach the openings of the jersey pockets. |
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On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 6:30:27 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 1:06:01 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2017 11:58:43 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-05-08 07:37, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? Maybe you have too much European ancestry :-) And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. The bike clothes made in Thailand, and I suspect, in China are made in local and foreign sizes and there is about one size difference between the sizes. I've actually got a pair of bike shorts with a label saying "Asia - M, Eur - S". We have an annual Bicycle Expo and I've talked to one of the larger manufacturer of athletic clothing and they are well aware of the differences in size and are quick to tell you if you ask "is this a American or Thai medium?" -- Cheers, John B. Since I'm 6'4" the length is hard to get correct. I need a back length of 29" and most are 28" which is just enough so that I can't reach the openings of the jersey pockets. It's not just the length, it's the design of the pockets. I rode for a team that had Hincapie jerseys with back pockets cut so high that you had to be double jointed to get into them. The Hincapie went to the same spot on my back as other jerseys, too. I am 6'3" and ride in a lot of old local team jerseys, and my new jerseys are mostly Castelli (Castelli USA is in Portland, and they are frequently on sale). Castelli makes a nearly sheer "summer weight" jersey that is highly breathable, as do a number of other manufacturers. Castelli sizing is all over the map depending on the model -- race fit is Italiano midget standard and you go two sizes up. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2017-05-09 01:05, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 08 May 2017 11:58:43 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-05-08 07:37, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? Maybe you have too much European ancestry :-) And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. The bike clothes made in Thailand, and I suspect, in China are made in local and foreign sizes and there is about one size difference between the sizes. I've actually got a pair of bike shorts with a label saying "Asia - M, Eur - S". We have an annual Bicycle Expo and I've talked to one of the larger manufacturer of athletic clothing and they are well aware of the differences in size and are quick to tell you if you ask "is this a American or Thai medium?" Just like they ask in Thai restaurant around here "Hot or Thai hot?". Sensitive people not heeding that distinction advice risk landing in the emergency room. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 7:35:59 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 6:30:27 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 1:06:01 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2017 11:58:43 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-05-08 07:37, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? Maybe you have too much European ancestry :-) And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. The bike clothes made in Thailand, and I suspect, in China are made in local and foreign sizes and there is about one size difference between the sizes. I've actually got a pair of bike shorts with a label saying "Asia - M, Eur - S". We have an annual Bicycle Expo and I've talked to one of the larger manufacturer of athletic clothing and they are well aware of the differences in size and are quick to tell you if you ask "is this a American or Thai medium?" -- Cheers, John B. Since I'm 6'4" the length is hard to get correct. I need a back length of 29" and most are 28" which is just enough so that I can't reach the openings of the jersey pockets. It's not just the length, it's the design of the pockets. I rode for a team that had Hincapie jerseys with back pockets cut so high that you had to be double jointed to get into them. The Hincapie went to the same spot on my back as other jerseys, too. I am 6'3" and ride in a lot of old local team jerseys, and my new jerseys are mostly Castelli (Castelli USA is in Portland, and they are frequently on sale). Castelli makes a nearly sheer "summer weight" jersey that is highly breathable, as do a number of other manufacturers. Castelli sizing is all over the map depending on the model -- race fit is Italiano midget standard and you go two sizes up. -- Jay Beattie. All of my old team jerseys fit fine. My ONCE long and short sleeve jerseys are great. My Malvor and Rabobank jerseys fit perfect. So my assumption is that they're trying to save on material. |
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On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-05-09 01:05, John B. wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2017 11:58:43 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-05-08 07:37, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? Maybe you have too much European ancestry :-) And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. The bike clothes made in Thailand, and I suspect, in China are made in local and foreign sizes and there is about one size difference between the sizes. I've actually got a pair of bike shorts with a label saying "Asia - M, Eur - S". We have an annual Bicycle Expo and I've talked to one of the larger manufacturer of athletic clothing and they are well aware of the differences in size and are quick to tell you if you ask "is this a American or Thai medium?" Just like they ask in Thai restaurant around here "Hot or Thai hot?". Sensitive people not heeding that distinction advice risk landing in the emergency room. From the time I was a kid when my father used to peel and eat raw onions I have never been much bothered by heat. You can make things too hot to eat such as the "RED!!!" level at Thai restaurants but unless they are designed to blow the top of your head off on purpose I don't have any trouble. But my wife is outraged if there's a small piece of raw onion in a salad or a couple of drops of Tabasco in an entire bottle of Pasta sauce. I cooked a "frig vegetable" side dish with perhaps 10 different vegetables in it to clean out the refrig vegetable bin before they spoiled and the cooked sweet onions were too hot for her. |
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On 2017-05-08 18:44, wrote:
On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 1:24:08 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote: On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 10:06:02 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 5/8/2017 12:00 PM, wrote: On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 5/8/2017 9:37 AM, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. There's nothing worse than having three rear pockets and you can't reach any one of them. Or you are forced to buy a complete team kit including those horrible shorts with shoulder straps so you cannot take a pee without completely disrobing. One of the local rides ends in a canyon. The dirt track that leads off of the end goes to a nudist colony. Trying to take a pee up at the end draws a crowd. And it ain't bike riders. Some riders prefer chinese garments[1] but there are also Kucharik USA SuperWool and Di Marchi Italian embroidered wool jerseys. Choice is good! There's never been such a wide range of product choice as now. For nearly everything, not just cycle clothing. [1] I assume. There sure is a lot, so somebody must be buying it. I'm baking in a thin synthetic jersey that let's all the wind through. I sure as hell wouldn't wear wool on a bet. You might be pleasantly surprised at a soft light classic wool jersey. These are not at all like a heavy ragwool sweater your auntie knitted. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I rode a century yesterday. I ride organized rides very rarely. The old guys with white hair are no longer going around in wool jerseys. Even they are wearing spandex now. What hair? Many of us have to wear a helmet already just for that purpose. So that things don't start to blister up there. We are not "old guys". We're just slightly older and not quite as fast guys with better road gear than you have.... Except me. My road gear is 30 years old and the shorts and T-shirts for riding are those where my wife said they are too worn for regular day use. Once they develop holes and stuff they move on to the yard work pile. However, better than having a $4k Felt road bike or similar and $500 worth of cycling clothes hanging in the garage all year like so many do around here. "Yeah, I might join you for a ride. One of these days". Then when they hear about 40 miles they never call. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 5/9/2017 2:19 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-05-08 18:44, wrote: On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 1:24:08 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote: On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 10:06:02 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 5/8/2017 12:00 PM, wrote: On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 5/8/2017 9:37 AM, wrote: How is it that I can get a team jersey off of Ebay that's 20 years old that fits perfectly (though labeled in weird European sizes) while it's almost impossible to get any modern team wear that you would want to wear anywhere but to a funeral? And the Chinese garments appear to be only constructed for someone 5'6" whereas the Taiwanese garments seem to be for Americans sizes in the American market. There's nothing worse than having three rear pockets and you can't reach any one of them. Or you are forced to buy a complete team kit including those horrible shorts with shoulder straps so you cannot take a pee without completely disrobing. One of the local rides ends in a canyon. The dirt track that leads off of the end goes to a nudist colony. Trying to take a pee up at the end draws a crowd. And it ain't bike riders. Some riders prefer chinese garments[1] but there are also Kucharik USA SuperWool and Di Marchi Italian embroidered wool jerseys. Choice is good! There's never been such a wide range of product choice as now. For nearly everything, not just cycle clothing. [1] I assume. There sure is a lot, so somebody must be buying it. I'm baking in a thin synthetic jersey that let's all the wind through. I sure as hell wouldn't wear wool on a bet. You might be pleasantly surprised at a soft light classic wool jersey. These are not at all like a heavy ragwool sweater your auntie knitted. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I rode a century yesterday. I ride organized rides very rarely. The old guys with white hair are no longer going around in wool jerseys. Even they are wearing spandex now. What hair? Many of us have to wear a helmet ... Or more accurately, have been convinced of that. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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