LA v. MJ

Who is stronger Superman or Hercules? Did Superman do Wonder Woman? Was
Batman really gay when he turned down a chance to be with Catwoman?
These questions are really baseless and need not even be considered. If
you are the absolute best athlete you can be (to yourself) then you
wouldn't have time to ponder useless inconsequential questions. Heck, we
probably shouldn't be on the NG. I think I'll go workout.


BTW... MJ made more money last year from NIKE than all of the Malaysian
NIKE workers (that build the shoes) combined yearly gross income. So
that doesn't necessarily make MJ a bad guy but it shows that people who
make the shoes lives don't matter to NIKE and are only cared for by
their immediate families. I've seen LA's Nike ad... It's a little
disconcerting given the previous statement I made. Do they even make a
cycling shoe worth it weight? I'm not sure I'd buy it if there
is/was...considering...

imho,
NS

This is a pointless discussion. Can't compare apples and oranges.

Our church is studying Psalm 23 and yesterday morning they opened the study
showing some video clips of Michael Jordan. Unbelieveable artistry in
motion. I lived in Chicago during the Jordan era and never missed a
televised game.

I'm as big a Lance fan as anyone, and I'm as avid a cyclist as anyone. But
cycling doesn't require the artistry that someone like Michael can bring to
a game like Basketball. Michael couldn't hang with Lance for 5 seconds on a
bike. Lance couldn't hang with Mr. Hang Time on the B-ball court.

But if I were stuck on a deserted island and had to choose between a video
of Michael and a video of Lance to watch for the rest of my life, I'd pick
Michael.

Bob C.
"Steve" wrote in message
om...
Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental
strength and the superiority in his sport is really amazing. Reminds
me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball.
But who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to
win, never failed in any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler
ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and
wins his 6th TdF, he'll go down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve

MJ coasted on his natural talent?????!!!!!

You're out of your mind. You obviously don't know a thing about Michael
Jordan. The one thing that set him apart from all his teammates and made
him very hard for them to get along with was that he was so intense, hard
working and demanding. Sounds EXACLY like everything I've heard about
Lance. Work ethic is definately common ground between the two men.

Bob C.
wrote in message
...
MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to
win, never failed in any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler
ever.

Tough one, isn't it?


No, easy.

MJ coasted on his natural talent. Like Mario Lemieux and Gretzky.

LA trained his ass off. No comparison. You can't win a tour by
coasting on your talent. You have to train and train hard and smart.

"Robert Chambers" wrote in
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But if I were stuck on a deserted island and had to choose between a
video of Michael and a video of Lance to watch for the rest of my life,
I'd pick Michael.

Personally I'd pick Mia (but not because of her great athletic abilities -
good as they are!)

David N. Welton schreef in berichtnieuws
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(Ingemar Svensson) writes:

Take a look at a guy like Vinokourov, he's been in form the whole
year. He's proof that you still can race at a high level all year.

Simonis form is the result of the fact that he hasn't raced between
the Giro and the Tour, that was his mistake, he didn't prepare
enough for the tour.

Maybe he was tired from the Giro?

In spite of the fact that he was in much worse shape than he was in the
giro, he did manage to win a stage by using his brains and pure
perseverence. It was not easy to beat the Dufaux/Virenque tandem. His
victory in the giro seemed much more convincing anyway: Armstrong was
nowhere near as dominant in France as Simoni was in Italy. Simoni never
needed luck or a good TTT; he just outclassed the whole field in nearly
every mountain stage.

But even more astounding were the performances by Vinokourov and Tyler
Hamilton, who already won more than enough to justify their current
contracts. Vinokourov should be cyclist of the year, especially if he rides
a good Vuelta.

Armstrongs main accomplishment was that he was able to overcome his own
problems. However, given the fact that he only really trains for the tour,
that slim margin on relatively unprepared riders like Ullrich and Vinokourov
should have him worrying indeed, or perhaps wonder if he would not do just
as well if he'd also concentrate on other races. All that preparation for
just 15 seconds on Ullrich and 18 on Vinokourov, and then hoping for a good
day (which, thankfully for Armstrong, came promptly)? It's really a shame
when you look at what the other two did before the tour - deal with a
collapsing team and win races, respectively. I think Bruyneel's fool-proof
program has collapsed this year.

Jonathan.

In article , says...
MJ coasted on his natural talent?????!!!!!

You're out of your mind. You obviously don't know a thing about Michael
Jordan. The one thing that set him apart from all his teammates and made
him very hard for them to get along with was that he was so intense, hard
working and demanding. Sounds EXACLY like everything I've heard about
Lance. Work ethic is definately common ground between the two men.

The previous poster is an uninformed lightweight. No athlete as
dominating as MJ, LA, Gretzky or Lemieux "coasts" on their talent. He
is displaying his ignorance of what it takes to get to the top of any
professional sport.

Rick

You guys are all way off. MJ was as dedicated to his basketball skills
and practice than proabably anyone ever has been in the game. Sure he
had natual ability like no other, but there is no way he would have
become the star he was without incrdedibly hard work and dedication.
Same is true of LA. There is little doubt he has a natual ability that
few others have. But he had the rare combination (like MJ) of ability,
drive, and dedication that few others EVER have, in any sport (i.e
(recent athletes) Tiger Woods, Andre Aggassi, Bjorn Borg, Nolan Ryan, etc)

To say MJ releis on his natural skils more than dedication is a
ridiculous, myopic, and just plain stupid statement.


Basketor wrote:

"Jiyang Chen" a écrit dans le message de news:
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Lance Armstrong trains a lot more than Michael Jordan. 5-7 hours on the
bike plus weight lifting on some days. Lance Armstrong relies on natural
ability as well as being one of the most dedicated athletes out there, and
Michael Jordan relies on his natural skills more than dedication. I don't
think he plays 5-7 hours of basketball everyday.



It's not the same effort, so the training is different.
They stay 6 hours on a bike without interruption., you don't play 6 hours of
basketball.

How do you know? Were you an the Bulls? Did you live with MJ?
I am sure that they trained, physically, strategy, as well as
scrimmaged, routinely 6 hrs a day, on non game days.

"Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in message ...
On 7/27/03 9:25 PM, in article
, "Steve"
wrote:

Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental
strength and the superiority in his sport is really amazing. Reminds
me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball.
But who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to
win, never failed in any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler
ever.


Lance is hardly the best cyclist ever.

When he wins the 6th straight Tour next year, he will be.


The names Eddy Merckx, Fausto Coppi, and Bernard Hinault ring a bell at all?
How about Jacques Anquetil and Miguel Indurain?


How many of them came back from a near-death experience w/ball cancer? Hmmmmm?

BT

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I know Lemieux coasted. He rarely tried in practice and that led to
alot of tension between he and his coaches. How do you tell the best
player in the league to try harder.

You don't suppose his illness and his back problems had anything to do
with not attending practices, do you?

Rick

"Jonathan v.d. Sluis" wrote in
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Armstrong was
nowhere near as dominant in France as Simoni was in Italy. Simoni
never needed luck or a good TTT; he just outclassed the whole field in
nearly every mountain stage.

I see. You are far more impressed by Simoni winning big against weaker
competition than you are by Armstrong's win on the biggest showcase in the
world. How big do you think Simoni's winning margin would have been if he
was racing against Ullrich, Armstrong, Beloki, Hamilton, Vino, Euskatel . .
.. .

NS