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frustration with bikes and cars (was: how does the brain work?)
For your reference, records indicate that
Emanuel Berg wrote: Is this because biking involves physical activity, which relieves stress, or is it because it is an outdoor thing, or is it because you can't hide your bad manners behind a windshield, or is the bike just a superior vehicle which is much more flexible so you can solve any traffic issue by just riding by? Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the self-imposed isolation that people experience in cars. With a bike and even motorcycles, it’s easier to feel like part of the “community” of other people taking the same route. Not so much with cars. Makes me wonder what happens when a bunch of convertibles are traveling in a pack; someone should do a study. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly |
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On 02/05/2017 2:48 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that Emanuel Berg wrote: Is this because biking involves physical activity, which relieves stress, or is it because it is an outdoor thing, or is it because you can't hide your bad manners behind a windshield, or is the bike just a superior vehicle which is much more flexible so you can solve any traffic issue by just riding by? Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the self-imposed isolation that people experience in cars. With a bike and even motorcycles, it’s easier to feel like part of the “community” of other people taking the same route. Not so much with cars. Makes me wonder what happens when a bunch of convertibles are traveling in a pack; someone should do a study. I think it's more the sense of security from being wrapped in all that steel. |
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Tim McNamara wrote:
It's the gap between expectation and reality. I expect to be able to drive fast and freely, and when I can't it ****ed me off to no end. People get enraged about having to slow from 70 to 65 mph in a 55 mph zone! Get the **** out of the ******* way you ************* *******! Ha ha! Good explanation. It makes sense. To answer other people in the thread saying they see bikers shout at cars as well, 1) I have *never* seen this and if it ever happened here, everyone would think the biker ready for a mental institution; and 2) even if it happened, it would be (?) an isolated event, meanwhile, I have been in the passager seat for rides in cars of say 30 or 45 minutes and the driver would be frustrated the entire time, at everything! Now before you think I'm a total looser, those rides were in my childhood. Now, I would immediately say, "hey, stop the car so I can get out of this madhouse". Actually I don't know why I didn't do that as a kid. Because it was as unpleasant and embarrassing then as it would be today! -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 5/2/2017 2:01 PM, Duane wrote:
On 02/05/2017 2:48 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote: For your reference, records indicate that Emanuel Berg wrote: Is this because biking involves physical activity, which relieves stress, or is it because it is an outdoor thing, or is it because you can't hide your bad manners behind a windshield, or is the bike just a superior vehicle which is much more flexible so you can solve any traffic issue by just riding by? Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the self-imposed isolation that people experience in cars. With a bike and even motorcycles, it’s easier to feel like part of the “community” of other people taking the same route. Not so much with cars. Makes me wonder what happens when a bunch of convertibles are traveling in a pack; someone should do a study. I think it's more the sense of security from being wrapped in all that steel. And glass. Ever notice the nose pickers at a stop light? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2017 2:01 PM, Duane wrote: On 02/05/2017 2:48 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote: For your reference, records indicate that Emanuel Berg wrote: Is this because biking involves physical activity, which relieves stress, or is it because it is an outdoor thing, or is it because you can't hide your bad manners behind a windshield, or is the bike just a superior vehicle which is much more flexible so you can solve any traffic issue by just riding by? Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the self-imposed isolation that people experience in cars. With a bike and even motorcycles, it’s easier to feel like part of the “community†of other people taking the same route. Not so much with cars. Makes me wonder what happens when a bunch of convertibles are traveling in a pack; someone should do a study. I think it's more the sense of security from being wrapped in all that steel. And glass. Ever notice the nose pickers at a stop light? Well, rarely -- stop lights, offering a relatively stable aerodynamic environment for pneumatic operations, are best utilized to clean one's own nose. |
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frustration with bikes and cars (was: how does the brain work?)
On Tue, 02 May 2017 21:15:27 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: It's the gap between expectation and reality. I expect to be able to drive fast and freely, and when I can't it ****ed me off to no end. People get enraged about having to slow from 70 to 65 mph in a 55 mph zone! Get the **** out of the ******* way you ************* *******! Ha ha! Good explanation. It makes sense. To answer other people in the thread saying they see bikers shout at cars as well, 1) I have *never* seen this and if it ever happened here, everyone would think the biker ready for a mental institution; and 2) even if it happened, it would be (?) an isolated event, meanwhile, I have been in the passager seat for rides in cars of say 30 or 45 minutes and the driver would be frustrated the entire time, at everything! Now before you think I'm a total looser, those rides were in my childhood. Now, I would immediately say, "hey, stop the car so I can get out of this madhouse". Actually I don't know why I didn't do that as a kid. Because it was as unpleasant and embarrassing then as it would be today! Ive seen cyclists come up beside a car stopped in traffic and actually KICK it. |
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On Tue, 02 May 2017 15:02:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2017 2:01 PM, Duane wrote: On 02/05/2017 2:48 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote: For your reference, records indicate that Emanuel Berg wrote: Is this because biking involves physical activity, which relieves stress, or is it because it is an outdoor thing, or is it because you can't hide your bad manners behind a windshield, or is the bike just a superior vehicle which is much more flexible so you can solve any traffic issue by just riding by? Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the self-imposed isolation that people experience in cars. With a bike and even motorcycles, it’s easier to feel like part of the “community? of other people taking the same route. Not so much with cars. Makes me wonder what happens when a bunch of convertibles are traveling in a pack; someone should do a study. I think it's more the sense of security from being wrapped in all that steel. And glass. Ever notice the nose pickers at a stop light? Or the crotch scratchers?? |
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On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:18:37 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2017 21:15:27 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: It's the gap between expectation and reality. I expect to be able to drive fast and freely, and when I can't it ****ed me off to no end. People get enraged about having to slow from 70 to 65 mph in a 55 mph zone! Get the **** out of the ******* way you ************* *******! Ha ha! Good explanation. It makes sense. To answer other people in the thread saying they see bikers shout at cars as well, 1) I have *never* seen this and if it ever happened here, everyone would think the biker ready for a mental institution; and 2) even if it happened, it would be (?) an isolated event, meanwhile, I have been in the passager seat for rides in cars of say 30 or 45 minutes and the driver would be frustrated the entire time, at everything! Now before you think I'm a total looser, those rides were in my childhood. Now, I would immediately say, "hey, stop the car so I can get out of this madhouse". Actually I don't know why I didn't do that as a kid. Because it was as unpleasant and embarrassing then as it would be today! Ive seen cyclists come up beside a car stopped in traffic and actually KICK it. I've yelled a couple of times in the last five years but haven't gotten actually violent though several times I've really considered it. I must be mellowing in my old age. |
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On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:19:22 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2017 15:02:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/2/2017 2:01 PM, Duane wrote: On 02/05/2017 2:48 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote: For your reference, records indicate that Emanuel Berg wrote: Is this because biking involves physical activity, which relieves stress, or is it because it is an outdoor thing, or is it because you can't hide your bad manners behind a windshield, or is the bike just a superior vehicle which is much more flexible so you can solve any traffic issue by just riding by? Personally, I think it has a lot to do with the self-imposed isolation that people experience in cars. With a bike and even motorcycles, it’s easier to feel like part of the “community�€? of other people taking the same route. Not so much with cars. Makes me wonder what happens when a bunch of convertibles are traveling in a pack; someone should do a study. I think it's more the sense of security from being wrapped in all that steel. And glass. Ever notice the nose pickers at a stop light? Or the crotch scratchers?? Well, actually, ... no. Not the crotch scratchers U got a vid of that? |
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frustration with bikes and cars (was: how does the brain work?)
On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 10:14:10 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:34:17 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2017 03:13:29 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: Once you add in those, about 70% of the population can only barely adequately operate a motor vehicle. With cars in particular there seems to be something inherent that brings forward the bad attitude and rage in man. I don't know how many angry car drivers I have seen, being totally frustrated with God knows what, but they are all but countless, for sure. snip Is this because biking involves physical activity, which relieves stress, or is it because it is an outdoor thing, or is it because you can't hide your bad manners behind a windshield, or is the bike just a superior vehicle which is much more flexible so you can solve any traffic issue by just riding by? It's the gap between expectation and reality. I expect to be able to drive fast and freely, and when I can't it ****ed me off to no end. People get enraged about having to slow from 70 to 65 mph in a 55 mph zone! Get the **** out of the ******* way you ************* *******! I've done it myself. Me, too, and it is compounded by years of cycling. I can get on my bike and ride to work as fast as I want. If I ride home at rush hour, I can sail past lines of stopped traffic in a bike lane. I have to be careful because people will rat out of traffic unexpectedly, but otherwise, my commute over the same distance will take half the time. Now, when I get into a car or end up in bicycle traffic, I'm stuck in the cattle chute, fuming like everyone else. Portland has terrible traffic because it has no infrastructure and a zillion people, so I'm also coping with the new reality that it is always rush hour here. And is rush hour with lots of people distracted by their various devices, hiding behind black-out windows, raging at other drivers, etc., etc. It really is time to move, and if I were retired, I would move. -- Jay Beattie. Missoula ? what's the analysis planning structure for P's limited space continued grouth ? |
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