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"Who killed the bike lanes?"
On Aug 31, 10:46*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Aug 30, 11:25*am, KingOfTheApes wrote: There are cyclists standing on {sic} the way of cyclists. Like you, for instance? *You're the poster boy for shooting oneself in the foot. At least you're entertaining yourself and not out actually trying to accomplish something - that'd just backfire horrendously... *Come to think of it, you've already discovered that fact, haven't you? R I've tried it long enough to notice that I will get killed if I keep doing it. Is my own survival a good enough reason not to bike that much on our roads? I thought SURVIVAL is the most important aspect of life in the jungle... (The original subject is kayaking, another sport where I feel hunted down, so to speak) Yes, you are a sitting duck, which is a really good reason not to go where you can't be safe. I presume you would not ride your bicycle on I-95, which would you ride you kayak in a zone where running on a plane is legal? Not only I wouldn't ride on a highway, I wouldn't even ride on the street right in front of my door. It's so bad that most people stay away from riding bikes on the road around here and rather ride the sidewalks... Of course, you ain't safe there either. Just today, as I was coming down on the sidewalk to cross this intersection, a car came blasting the horn at me because he felt every right to beat me to the corner. I had to use my brakes to the limit or else. That was a close call. And the guy kept going like nothing. I'm sure he knows we've got few rights --if any. Then you realize you live in the jungle. Welcome to the Jungle --if you dare. |
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The UK has one of the safest driving records in the world
ComandanteBanana wrote:
.... But somehow you miss WHY the Londoners can enjoy such a bike paradise and America can't: their drivers and traffic laws. The UK has one of the safest driving records in the world, something hard to say about America. Indeed it does, by this measure http://www.driveandstayalive.com/inf...apita-2004.htm The US is well down the list, at 40th. Of course, there's a couple of quirks in using per capita fatalities. India comes in at 16th, and anyone who's been to India in the past few years knows why they strongly recommend foreigners hire a driver. -- Mike Kruger http://mikekr.blogspot.com/ |
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"Who killed the bike lanes?"
On Aug 31, 6:32*pm, ComandanteBanana
wrote: On Aug 31, 10:46*am, RicodJour wrote: On Aug 30, 11:25*am, KingOfTheApes wrote: There are cyclists standing on {sic} the way of cyclists. Like you, for instance? *You're the poster boy for shooting oneself in the foot. At least you're entertaining yourself and not out actually trying to accomplish something - that'd just backfire horrendously... *Come to think of it, you've already discovered that fact, haven't you? R I've tried it long enough to notice that I will get killed if I keep doing it. Is my own survival a good enough reason not to bike that much on our roads? I thought SURVIVAL is the most important aspect of life in the jungle... (The original subject is kayaking, another sport where I feel hunted down, so to speak) Yes, you are a sitting duck, which is a really good reason not to go where you can't be safe. I presume you would not ride your bicycle on I-95, which would you ride you kayak in a zone where running on a plane is legal? Not only I wouldn't ride on a highway, I wouldn't even ride on the street right in front of my door. It's so bad that most people stay away from riding bikes on the road around here and rather ride the sidewalks... Of course, you ain't safe there either. Just today, as I was coming down on the sidewalk to cross this intersection, a car came blasting the horn at me because he felt every right to beat me to the corner. I had to use my brakes to the limit or else. That was a close call. And the guy kept going like nothing. I'm sure he knows we've got few rights --if any. Then you realize you live in the jungle. Welcome to the Jungle --if you dare. You and EnoughAlready need to take up a dialogue so that you can go harass yourselves and leave everyone else alone. Maybe you could go do it in alt.paranoid.schizo |
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The UK has one of the safest driving records in the world
On Aug 31, 6:39 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote: ComandanteBanana wrote: ... Not only I wouldn't ride on a highway, I wouldn't even ride on the street right in front of my door. It's so bad that most people stay away from riding bikes on the road around here and rather ride the sidewalks... Of course, you ain't safe there either. Just today, as I was coming down on the sidewalk to cross this intersection, a car came blasting the horn at me because he felt every right to beat me to the corner. I had to use my brakes to the limit or else. That was a close call. And the guy kept going like nothing. I'm sure he knows we've got few rights --if any. Then you realize you live in the jungle. Welcome to the Jungle --if you dare. DUDE, GET OFF THE SIDEWALK!!! Sure, *YOU* come here and you show us that you can ride Biscayne Blvd. Yes, you are tough enough to be braver than us people from Miami who dare NOT ride on such streets. FYI, though, maybe you'll be alone riding such a major street that runs north to south connecting Miami to Ft. Lauderdale. Or maybe you want to take the challenge on Collins Ave or Flagler st, etc. Beware of the beast, though! |
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The UK has one of the safest driving records in the world
On Aug 31, 6:50*pm, "ZBicyclist" wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote: .... But somehow you miss WHY the Londoners can enjoy such a bike paradise and America can't: their drivers and traffic laws. The UK has one of the safest driving records in the world, something hard to say about America. Indeed it does, by this measurehttp://www.driveandstayalive.com/info%20section/statistics/stats-mult... The US is well down the list, at 40th. Of course, there's a couple of quirks in using per capita fatalities. *India comes in at 16th, and anyone who's been to India in the past few years knows why they strongly recommend foreigners hire a driver. -- Mike Krugerhttp://mikekr.blogspot.com/ Gee, I better ride a bike in India. |
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"Who killed the bike lanes?"
On Aug 31, 10:39*pm, Pat wrote:
On Aug 31, 6:32*pm, ComandanteBanana wrote: On Aug 31, 10:46*am, RicodJour wrote: On Aug 30, 11:25*am, KingOfTheApes wrote: There are cyclists standing on {sic} the way of cyclists. Like you, for instance? *You're the poster boy for shooting oneself in the foot. At least you're entertaining yourself and not out actually trying to accomplish something - that'd just backfire horrendously... *Come to think of it, you've already discovered that fact, haven't you? R I've tried it long enough to notice that I will get killed if I keep doing it. Is my own survival a good enough reason not to bike that much on our roads? I thought SURVIVAL is the most important aspect of life in the jungle... (The original subject is kayaking, another sport where I feel hunted down, so to speak) Yes, you are a sitting duck, which is a really good reason not to go where you can't be safe. I presume you would not ride your bicycle on I-95, which would you ride you kayak in a zone where running on a plane is legal? Not only I wouldn't ride on a highway, I wouldn't even ride on the street right in front of my door. It's so bad that most people stay away from riding bikes on the road around here and rather ride the sidewalks... Of course, you ain't safe there either. Just today, as I was coming down on the sidewalk to cross this intersection, a car came blasting the horn at me because he felt every right to beat me to the corner. I had to use my brakes to the limit or else. That was a close call. And the guy kept going like nothing. I'm sure he knows we've got few rights --if any. Then you realize you live in the jungle. Welcome to the Jungle --if you dare. You and EnoughAlready need to take up a dialogue so that you can go harass yourselves and leave everyone else alone. *Maybe you could go do it in alt.paranoid.schizo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where's your paradise? I understand you are not the Pat from NY, so must be the one from Texas. Yep, we've got a good taste of that in the last 8 years. By the way, you must have the highest SUV percapita in the world, or is it Kuwait? |
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Hey, Londoners, what's going on up there?
Originally Posted by genec
London or England rather has a ride share similar to that of America... so I would hardly say "things have worked out." When we approach a ride share of say 10%, then I might think, "things are working out." *** True, but London itself might be approaching that figure after they restricted vehicular traffic. NYC too is contemplating a similar law, but New York is not the worst city in America. At least they've got good public transportation. Hey, Londoners, what's going on up there? |
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The couch potatoes' tyranny
This comment says a lot. A whole lot. I think the conspiracy is
totally exposed here... (I answer below) Originally Posted by uke An interesting thread. Here's an article that supplements it nicely: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26478179/ Basically, nearly every bike-friendly country on Earth has figured out the two keys to getting people to ride bicycles: investment in infrastructure and restrictions on automobiles. We can argue over whether or not to follow the path or not, but the longer we spend time trying to reinvent the wheel, the longer we're going to stay pegged at an average of 1% throughout the country. The only city even close to 10% (the minimum percentage I'd consider necessary for a city to be described as bike-friendly) is Portland at 4-6%, and, unsurprisingly, that's the city that's taken the most steps toward investing in infrastructure, though they're still far behind in tactics and percentages relative to a bike-friendly city. I do think it's amusing, if tragic, that bicyclists in the US are our own worst enemies with respect to our cause. Creating a bike-friendly city isn't rocket science; it's being done all over the world, and the formula is damned easy to follow. But so many cyclists here refuse to even acknowledge the formula, much less advocate its implementation. I truly believe that many cyclists here (on BF, and in the general commuting community) truly believe that cycling in the US should be reserved for people willing to risk their lives without modifications to the status quo. And the fact that the overwhelming majority of people in the country will never make such a leap is fine with them, as they see nothing wrong with a 1% commuting population. In the meantime, cyclists in other countries are working with their governments at the city levels to make cycling a safe and therefore viable activity for the general population, and as a result, cities all over the world are going from 1% to 5% to 10% or more. It's amazing to watch us fall backward in comparison to so many other places, and to see how many of us are so eager to ignore reality. *** I think they are experimenting with something called "democracy." But here it is understood as coming out every four years to vote for the candidate that promises cheap gas --and more drilling. The couch potatoes' tyranny. |
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"Who killed the bike lanes?"
I just need to quote this post without comments...
an excerpt from the Washington Post article today... "...Yet in the United States, with the exception of a handful of cities, (accomodation) strategies have been ignored. Car-centric transport policies and suburban sprawl continue to make bicycle commuting rare, arduous and relatively dangerous. Although millions of Americans recreate on bikes, they ride them for just 0.4 percent of their trips to work, according to the U.S. Census. Germans are 10 times more likely than Americans to ride a bike and three times less likely to get hurt while doing so. On any given workday, more commuters park their bikes at train and subway stations in Tokyo (704,000) than cycle to work in the entire United States (535,000), according to the Tokyo government and the U.S. census." link to article (featured in Sunday Seattle Times) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...icycles31.html |
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The UK has one of the safest driving records in the world
"ComandanteBanana" wrote [snip] Very informative of the way things should be: every street is a bike lane. Er, not so. A six lane highway is six bike lanes, not one. It just goes to prove the point I made, and which you quoted in your own message, just before your own reply:- The result is that it's fairly obvious that those who talk about bike lanes now don't even know what a lane is. Jeremy Parker |
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