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Old October 22nd 04, 04:48 PM
B i l l S o r n s o n
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Claire Petersky wrote:
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Would you rather we get together and knit you an antimacassar? g


Aren't those typically crocheted, or even better, tatted?


I thought they were what women use to remove mascara.

Bill "poking back out now" S.


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Old October 23rd 04, 12:59 AM
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"Badger_South"

Tried this out, and it works -great-. Variations of it work very well for
me, too. Thanks for sharing.

-B


Glad to hear it works for you too. When the hill is steeper and the
breathing is heavier I hammer down the pedel and breathe out on every fifth
stroke. I think the rytm must be odd in order to stress the two legs
equally.

Ivar



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Old October 23rd 04, 01:50 AM
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:07:36 GMT, wrote:

Ron who? writes:

I am amazed how many masochist bicyclists there seem to be, all
this talk of suffering and pain, bonking and blowing up. There is
no one giving merit badges for these tales of woe except in the
imagination of the writer. Is this really what bicycling means to
the many riders I see with their expensive equipment?


This sport has a masochistic streak a mile wide and always has. How
many times have you heard a pro praised "and he knows how to
suffer."


Oh. I take it you think all these folks are in the professional
racing business. I guess the talk is all about fame by association
with those who suffer as professional racers. That explains why the
bicycle advertisement commonly shown have a grimacing rider, be that
on a Sunday ride or on a tour.

I'll stay with my comment to so many ride reports, "If you didn't like
it, don't tell me about it." I believe there is more to bicycling
than the effort, especially on remote roads away from the competitive
daily grind.


Ah, but so many people bring their competitive daily grind with them
where ever they may go. At least it's a competitive grind with
better scenery and air than the rest of the world offers.


Your comment seem to support my perception of all this macho,
suffering talk.


It clearly and explicitly DOES support your "perception of all this macho,
suffering talk."

Agreeing with you is actually more unpleasant than arguing with you.

What a pompous dick.

Ron


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Old October 23rd 04, 05:25 AM
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I'll stay with my comment to so many ride reports, "If you didn't like
it, don't tell me about it." I believe there is more to bicycling
than the effort, especially on remote roads away from the competitive
daily grind.


So it would be your opinion that I should have stayed quiet about the Sonora
Pass ride in 2000 where we got nailed by the remnants of tropical storm
Carlotta? http://www.chainreaction.com/sonora2000.htm

It's all about pain & suffering, bonking and blowing up.

It's also just one tale about riding a bike. A tale that might help someone
better prepare for a trip to the Sierras, or simply a story about a good
ride gone bad.

Is this really what bicycling means to the many riders
I see with their expensive equipment?


What does the cost of equipment have to do with anything? Nothing. The
bicycle is a tool and, while different tools have different limitations, the
challenge is entirely within the mind of the rider. My dreams & challenges
were, if anything, more vivid and daring when I rode a Schwinn Varsity than
they are now, on my Trek 5900.

Of course "there is more to bicycling than the effort" but why do you want
to take away from those who enjoy a challenge (or enjoy reading about them)?
I think we're better off, not worse, when people willingly push their limits
and accept new challenges. But that's not to say there's anything at all
wrong with somebody whose idea of an enjoyable bike ride is along the levees
in Foster City, taking their time and aware of their surroundings on a level
that can only be achieved when totally relaxed.

But perhaps you object to something else- something the entertainment
industry has long-known- that people are more interested in watching (and
reading) stories about bold, daring & dangerous things than watching a show
about Ansel Adams.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


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I am amazed how many masochist bicyclists there seem to be, all this
talk of suffering and pain, bonking and blowing up. There is no one
giving merit badges for these tales of woe except in the imagination
of the writer. Is this really what bicycling means to the many riders
I see with their expensive equipment?

I'll stay with my comment to so many ride reports, "If you didn't like
it, don't tell me about it." I believe there is more to bicycling
than the effort, especially on remote roads away from the competitive
daily grind.

Jobst Brandt



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Old October 23rd 04, 06:18 AM
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I'll stay with my comment to so many ride reports, "If you didn't like
it, don't tell me about it."


$5 to the first reader to spot the logical fallacy in this argument.




Chris Neary


"We will teach our twisted speech to the young believers"
-- The Clash
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Old October 23rd 04, 02:51 PM
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Claire Petersky wrote:
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Would you rather we get together and knit you an antimacassar? g



Aren't those typically crocheted, or even better, tatted?


I can knit lace....

-km, Master Knitter

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Old October 23rd 04, 03:12 PM
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:51:16 GMT, the black rose
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Claire Petersky wrote:
"Badger_South" wrote in message
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Would you rather we get together and knit you an antimacassar? g



Aren't those typically crocheted, or even better, tatted?


I can knit lace....

-km, Master Knitter


You're a virtual national treasure. ;-)

-B
(uh, and renaissance man, girl division.)


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Old October 25th 04, 05:54 AM
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Terry Morse wrote in message ...
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The "quiet upper body" riding is a development in the pursuit of
excessive spinning, where saddle bounce becomes a problem. If you
observe anyone racing you'll notice that riders lunge onto the
downward stroke if working anywhere near top performance. This is not
an option but a necessity.


All out sprinting aside, a lunging upper body is a telltale sign of
trying to maintain speed in too high a gear. For an experienced
rider, dropping to a lower gear should make it go away. The notion
that one must lunge over each pedal to generate high power is old
school myth and lore. The limit to performance on climbs is the
heart, not the amount of force once can put into a pedal. Lowering
the gear ratio reduces the maximum pedal force, removing the need
for upper body gymnastics.

If you get a chance to see the 2004 Tour de France DVD, watch
Armstrong as he climbs l'Alpe d'Huez. His upper body is relaxed and
virtually motionless -- all the way to the finish (except when he
sprints to the finish out of the saddle). His cadence appears to be
80-85, for a full 40 minutes of near maximum effort climbing.


Another good person to watch is Miguel Indurain. It's really amazing
to watch Miguel climb almost in saddle while his opponents struggle to
keep up while climbing out of the saddle.


Riding with no upper body motion is
possible only when riding at a less than maximum effort where an
optional style is drawn from extra effort, something riders cannot do
for long when working hard.


I don't understand your point. Riders can't maintain a maximum
effort for long, regardless of their form. I think it's confusing
the point to bring up maximum effort riding when discussing riding
style. It should be obvious that a quiet upper body is more
aerobically efficient than one that's moving "all over the machine",
as Phil Liggett would say. Throwing upper body weight around is an
attempt to shove a few more pounds of force into a pedal, which
should not be confused with power. A low-torque engine that runs at
high RPMs can put out as much power as a high-torque engine with low
RPMs.

Regarding maximum effort, consider the following: Time trial
specialists can ride for an hour well above their lactate
thresholds, yet many ride with rock-solid upper bodies. Jan Ullrich
is a good example.

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Old October 28th 04, 08:27 AM
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One trick I use in my low budget, low talent pursuit of pro-looking
cadences is to do four pedal revolutions per breath cycle, or some
variant of that.
You can adjust it to your particular ability/style.

If you shift up too much, and adopt a cadence that is too low, you
won't be able to complete
the four revolutions before you have to take a breath again, because
each rev will be too hard, and therefore, too slow.

This way you can force yourself to keep a high cadence.
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Old October 28th 04, 05:52 PM
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"remove the polite word to reply" wrote in
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One trick I use in my low budget, low talent pursuit of pro-looking
cadences is to do four pedal revolutions per breath cycle, or some
variant of that.


If you want to look like a pro then why do you do something they don't do?


You can adjust it to your particular ability/style.

If you shift up too much, and adopt a cadence that is too low, you
won't be able to complete
the four revolutions before you have to take a breath again, because
each rev will be too hard, and therefore, too slow.


This is dumb and does not determine the most efficient cadence to be used at
any given time.


This way you can force yourself to keep a high cadence.


You should not force your breathing to do anything other than what your
cardiovascular system needs at that time.

If you can't manage to do a simple thing like maintain cadence then buy a
cheap cadence sensor and stare at that for awhile.

-WG


 




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