Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 5, 6:54*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
On Mar 5, 6:48*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:





On Mar 5, 1:58*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 4, 9:30*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 4, 3:54*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 3, 10:04*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 3, 5:57*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 3, 11:38*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 3, 7:02*am, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 2, 4:25*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 2, 10:39*am, Shraga wrote:

On Feb 26, 6:26*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)

ORIGINAL ARTICLE

Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?

http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/c....htmlhttp://ww......

... etc.

Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.

No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?

Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.

No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!

Thank you! Thank you!

I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.

I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.

The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.

We'll work on that later.

For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".

Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.

Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.

You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.

On Mar 5, 11:38*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 5, 6:54*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:

I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.

The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.

We'll work on that later.

For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".

Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.

Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.

You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.

The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.

Please read this article:

http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7

Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.

While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.

Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:

http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm

On Mar 5, 6:48*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 5, 10:34*am, Shraga wrote:

Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"

Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.

And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED

I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.

So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?

You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.

By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?

You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.

In article ,
Shraga says...

On Mar 5, 6:48=A0pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 5, 10:34=A0am, Shraga wrote:

Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"

Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.

And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED

I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.

So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?

You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.

By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?

You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.

You need to understand. Mike is very serious about his position. Since hiking
boots and shoes are designed to protect the wearer, he hikes barefoot. And when
it dawned on him that the puropse of clothing is to protect the hiker from the
elements, he quit wearing those too.

On Mar 5, 11:38*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 5, 6:54*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:









On Mar 5, 6:48*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 5, 1:58*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 4, 9:30*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 4, 3:54*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 3, 10:04*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 3, 5:57*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 3, 11:38*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 3, 7:02*am, Len McGoogle wrote:

On Mar 2, 4:25*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 2, 10:39*am, Shraga wrote:

On Feb 26, 6:26*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)

ORIGINAL ARTICLE

Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?

http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/c....htmlhttp://ww......

... etc.

Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.

No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?

Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.

No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!

Thank you! Thank you!

I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.

I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.

The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.

We'll work on that later.

For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".

Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.

Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.

You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.

I don't own a bicycle, let alone a mountain type bike, Mike.

Anyhow, horseback riding is always dangerous and stupid like you
stated, you are sitting up high trying to control a massive beast and
a fall could be disastrous.

I don't think mountain bikes and bikers are on private equestrian
facilities so we now agree it's not the bikes that that endanger
equestrians, especially considering that there were no mountain bikes
around Christopher Reeve when he had his tragic equestrian accident.
The whole sport is stupid like you said but I don't think you should
have said Richard Reeve is stupid, Michael Vandeman.

On Mar 6, 8:59*am, Shraga wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:38*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:





On Mar 5, 6:54*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.

The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.

We'll work on that later.

For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".

Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.

Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.

You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.

The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.

Please read this article:

http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7

Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.

While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.

Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:

http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm

As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..

On Mar 6, 9:27*am, Shraga wrote:
On Mar 5, 6:48*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 5, 10:34*am, Shraga wrote:
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"

Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.

And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED

I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.

So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?

You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.

By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?

You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.

That sounds like a non-sequitur. I've been hiking longer than you've
been alive (judging by your puerile behavior). I never carry any of
those.

On Mar 6, 11:46*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:59*am, Shraga wrote:

You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.

The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.

Please read this article:

http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7

Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.

While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..

That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.

What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."

I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.

Why do you have to be deceitful to make your point? Are your arguments
that weak?

On Mar 6, 11:49*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 6, 9:27*am, Shraga wrote:









On Mar 5, 6:48*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Mar 5, 10:34*am, Shraga wrote:
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"

Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.

And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED

I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.

So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?

You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.

By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?

You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.

That sounds like a non-sequitur. I've been hiking longer than you've
been alive (judging by your puerile behavior). I never carry any of
those.

That's not surprising. It's clear from your posts that you're an
unusually slow learner.

And your refusal to respond to my post is noted. As usual you resort
to lying, because there is no honest way to present your point of
view.

On Mar 7, 8:40*am, Shraga wrote:
On Mar 6, 11:46*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:





On Mar 6, 8:59*am, Shraga wrote:
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.

The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.

Please read this article:

http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7

Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.

While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.

As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..

That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.

What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."

I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.

BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.

Why do you have to be deceitful to make your point? Are your arguments
that weak?

Look up "Projection" in a dictionary of Psychology. Mountain bikers
lie more than anyone else I know of, INCLUDING politicians!.