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Hi I'm looking for any advice, background or riding experiences with
recumbents. I commute approx 25km each way on a normal 'two triangle' upright at present, about 3 times a week. My office has moved, adding about 10km to the journey and I need something faster and easier to travel the extra distance without adding too much more time. The riding is mostly Sustrans route or towpath so it isn't 'pure' road work. Does anyone have any advice to offer? In particular: How difficult is it to adapt to the bike? What are they like to ride on trails rather than road? Can you take them on trains? Are they really and genuinely a 'step forward' or should I spend the money (not an insignificant amount) on a higher spec upright/ conventional bike? How do you fare in traffic, being lower down and all that? Does the longer wheelbase make them slow handling and unweildy? Etc etc! Many thanks |
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Hi I'm looking for any advice, background or riding experiences with recumbents. I commute approx 25km each way on a normal 'two triangle' upright at present, about 3 times a week. My office has moved, adding about 10km to the journey and I need something faster and easier to travel the extra distance without adding too much more time. The extra 10km will be significant in time, you won't get it back with a quicker bike, no matter what design. Once you are up to "reasonably quick tourers/hybrids", a quicker bike might shave a little off the time, but its not going to knock 25% back. The riding is mostly Sustrans route or towpath so it isn't 'pure' road work. Does anyone have any advice to offer? In particular: How difficult is it to adapt to the bike? Not hard, though not instant. A few hours practise for the basics, then a few longer rides to get the fine tuning. Good dealers have training systems to move you quickly from a "wobbler on an easy to ride model" to a "swift confident rider of a twitchy racing machine". What are they like to ride on trails rather than road? Variable, depends on the model. Much like an upright; a track racer would be horrid, a tourer/cyclecross a fast compromise and a MTB comfortable but slower. Can you take them on trains? Yes, but many are longer than uprights, or somewhat less easy to carry. Won't necessarily fit the bike retaining systems. Expect it to be hassle if commuting. For longer leisure trips, not significantly more hassle. Are they really and genuinely a 'step forward' or should I spend the money (not an insignificant amount) on a higher spec upright/ conventional bike? They are different. Some genuinely light & quick models do go quicker than uprights (once you've trained for them), but most do not. Many are noticeably heavier than an upright. If your commute has a lot of stop-start, or a section with traffic queues which can be "filtered", then I think you will be quicker on an upright. How do you fare in traffic, being lower down and all that? Most traffic give you an extra-wide berth, frequently mouthing "what the f**k is that idiot doing on that contraption" whilst going extra wide to avoid scratching their car. So arguably safer than an upright where they will "squeeze past". BUT, in general, they are not suited to "filtering up the white line" or "seeing over the cars to jump ahead of the queue". You cannot "stand up" on pedals to get very fast initial acceleration, nor a view of what's around. Its hard to "put a foot down and scoot along" to get round the one idiot blockign the cycle. In some traffic situations, this lack of agility costs very significant commuting time. When I had a recumbent, my timings to work (22km each way) were 10 minutes slower than my touring upright, and nearly all that was lost in the traffic heavy centre of town area; instead of being able to filter up stationary lines of traffic, I often had to wait my turn with the cars, and much of the gain of a cycle in town was lost. Out of town, on fairly flat open roads, the average speed wasn't significantly different to the upright. Does the longer wheelbase make them slow handling and unweildy? Depends, some long wheelbase models are very very stately. Others are fairly agile. Etc etc! Strongly suggest you go somewhere with day long hires. Initially to try out machines, then to take one a decent distance, and into traffic loosely as "bad" as your regular commute. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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"Nigel Cliffe" wrote in message ... wrote: Hi I'm looking for any advice, background or riding experiences with recumbents. I commute approx 25km each way on a normal 'two triangle' upright at present, about 3 times a week. My office has moved, adding about 10km to the journey and I need something faster and easier to travel the extra distance without adding too much more time. The extra 10km will be significant in time, you won't get it back with a quicker bike, no matter what design. Once you are up to "reasonably quick tourers/hybrids", a quicker bike might shave a little off the time, but its not going to knock 25% back. The riding is mostly Sustrans route or towpath so it isn't 'pure' road work. Does anyone have any advice to offer? In particular: How difficult is it to adapt to the bike? Not hard, though not instant. A few hours practise for the basics, then a few longer rides to get the fine tuning. Good dealers have training systems to move you quickly from a "wobbler on an easy to ride model" to a "swift confident rider of a twitchy racing machine". What are they like to ride on trails rather than road? Variable, depends on the model. Much like an upright; a track racer would be horrid, a tourer/cyclecross a fast compromise and a MTB comfortable but slower. Can you take them on trains? Yes, but many are longer than uprights, or somewhat less easy to carry. Won't necessarily fit the bike retaining systems. Expect it to be hassle if commuting. For longer leisure trips, not significantly more hassle. Are they really and genuinely a 'step forward' or should I spend the money (not an insignificant amount) on a higher spec upright/ conventional bike? They are different. Some genuinely light & quick models do go quicker than uprights (once you've trained for them), but most do not. Many are noticeably heavier than an upright. If your commute has a lot of stop-start, or a section with traffic queues which can be "filtered", then I think you will be quicker on an upright. How do you fare in traffic, being lower down and all that? Most traffic give you an extra-wide berth, frequently mouthing "what the f**k is that idiot doing on that contraption" whilst going extra wide to avoid scratching their car. So arguably safer than an upright where they will "squeeze past". BUT, in general, they are not suited to "filtering up the white line" or "seeing over the cars to jump ahead of the queue". You cannot "stand up" on pedals to get very fast initial acceleration, nor a view of what's around. Its hard to "put a foot down and scoot along" to get round the one idiot blockign the cycle. In some traffic situations, this lack of agility costs very significant commuting time. When I had a recumbent, my timings to work (22km each way) were 10 minutes slower than my touring upright, and nearly all that was lost in the traffic heavy centre of town area; instead of being able to filter up stationary lines of traffic, I often had to wait my turn with the cars, and much of the gain of a cycle in town was lost. Out of town, on fairly flat open roads, the average speed wasn't significantly different to the upright. Does the longer wheelbase make them slow handling and unweildy? Depends, some long wheelbase models are very very stately. Others are fairly agile. Etc etc! Strongly suggest you go somewhere with day long hires. Initially to try out machines, then to take one a decent distance, and into traffic loosely as "bad" as your regular commute. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ I would second the idea of "try before you buy". Back in September I had a very (very) short go on a recumbent trike. That wetted my appetite so I asked here (that would be early October) about places to go. I ended up at London Recumbents in Dulwich but it seemed to me there were only 3 or 4 places in the Souther half of the UK that offered the opportunity. London Recumbents have the advantage of being in Dulwich Park and a car less circuit. Mind you, that doesn't mean traffic less. I went about 3 in the afternoon and found myself dodgin other cyclists, kids, mums with baby carriages, dogs and the like. The first thing I did was fall off. The guys had seen it all before and repeated what they had said about not pulling on the handlebars etc and second time I managed to set off. They said it takes some people 10 goes but I think they were being nice to me! I did a lap and a half of the park and then decidied I'd better stop and see if I could start again. Stopping was a little interesting but I managed it and the restart without actually falling (it wasn't very elegant however). I then plucked up courage to try some tighter turns and I can appreciate the comments about ease of manouvering in traffic; I don't believe it would be easy. Speed? Well I didn't feel confident enough to really speed and the bike they put me on was a pretty basic one (no underseat handlebars for instance) but I reckon effort for effort I probably managed a simialr speed to my Ridgeback Nemesis. Will I buy one? Not right now. The Ridgeback is only about 2 years old and it's not as if I do enormous amounts of riding. I can't really justify the expense. I do keep looking at the websites so maybe one day. One thing I do regret is that very few manufacturers seem to offer hub gears and where they do they tend to be Rohloff and the like. |
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Hum - very interesting feedback, thanks to all of you. Seems like the
marketing hype may exceed the reality, but then when was that news ;?) Some of my mountain bike mates think that recumbents are solely for attention-seekers, and are already taking the p*ss because I'm even considering one! There's no doubt that I could get a very decent roadbike/hybrid (or even a couple of years' season tickets - joking!) for the same kind of money. Think I'll give careful consideration to my route as roads are certainly an option but fairly unpleasant at 08.00 on a wet March morning and also not the most direct way. Plus I think I'd miss the fresh air along the Forth and Clyde towpath. The fact that you actually took *longer* on the 'bent because of traffic hold-ups is a bit of a downer too - I'd have about 5 or 6 ks of traffic'y route whichever way I go and certainly understand the duck and dive techniques available to the 'upright' cyclist. I've got a test-ride organised with Kinetics in Glasgow - 24th Jan (earliest Sat I can make) - which should clarify quite a few things I think. Appreciate the suggestion of arranging a longer trial, with rental if necessary - I guess I can see if the rental could be rebated against the purchase if I go ahead, or something like that. Thanks again and anyone out there please post more info. |
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I've got a test-ride organised with Kinetics in Glasgow - 24th Jan (earliest Sat I can make) - which should clarify quite a few things I think. Appreciate the suggestion of arranging a longer trial, with rental if necessary - I guess I can see if the rental could be rebated against the purchase if I go ahead, or something like that. Thanks again and anyone out there please post more info. If you can bear to travel across to Edinburgh, you may want to have a chat with sometime contributor to this group Mr Laidback [1]. He is based off the Meadows and offers various getting to know it packages. [2] [1] http://www.laid-back-bikes.co.uk/ [2] I have no connection with this, not even as a customer. I just spent a pleasant hour or 2 chatting to the man at the end of the ride a couple of years ago. -- Don Whybrow Sequi Bonum Non Time "To communicate with Mars, converse with spirits, To report the behaviour of the sea monster, Describe the horoscope, haruspicate or scry, Observe disease in signatures." (T.S.Eliot) |
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On Jan 10, 10:43*pm, Don Whybrow wrote:
If you can bear to travel across to Edinburgh, you may want to have a chat with sometime contributor to this group Mr Laidback [1]. He is based off the Meadows and offers various getting to know it packages. [2] [1]http://www.laid-back-bikes.co.uk/ [2] I have no connection with this, not even as a customer. I just spent a pleasant hour or 2 chatting to the man at the end of the ride a couple of years ago. -- Don Whybrow Thanks Don - will do - (good name, Mr Laidback - Nomme de Guerre I suppose? although I did know a girl who was genuinely called Honor Head) |
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Thanks Don - will do - (good name, Mr Laidback - Nomme de Guerre I suppose? although I did know a girl who was genuinely called Honor Head) David will let you play on Challenges and Nazcas, Ben at Kinetics is an HPVelotechnik dealer. They're all good machines, but personal preference will take you to one or the other. Best to try everything you can if you do go for one. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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