Killer cyclist mows down dog

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:50:05 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 21:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:57:01 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 08:00, Brian Robertson wrote:
On 24/08/2013 18:31, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:59:25 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 24/08/2013 15:12, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:53:20 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

http://www.thisiss****horpe.co.uk/Pe...#axzz2ctH0GWYv



My thoughts are with the deceased dog's family and friends, and
sibling Toffee.


I hope the owners claim compo off the cyclist.

Did they get the cyclist's name and address?

They probably got a load of abuse and a smack in the mouth, they're in
their 70s after all.

Just think how much better it would be if the bike had a registration
plate, etc, etc, etc. (yawn) lol

now you get the idea, likely that a registered cyclist would also have
insurance to pay for the dog's funeral expenses etc. a registered
cyclist would have ridden with more care in the first place so the crash
might not have taken place at all. win-win all round

Do you have any evidence to suggest that the cyclist had no insurance?



the chance is very low.

Indeed. I'm glad you acknowledge that the chance of the cyclist being
insured is therefore very high.

I recently discovered that the high chance of any given cyclist being
insured was a very significant factor in the Swiss federal government
abandoning the compulsory registration of bicycles.

On 26/08/2013 09:27, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:50:05 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 21:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:57:01 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 08:00, Brian Robertson wrote:
On 24/08/2013 18:31, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:59:25 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 24/08/2013 15:12, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:53:20 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

http://www.thisiss****horpe.co.uk/Pe...#axzz2ctH0GWYv



My thoughts are with the deceased dog's family and friends, and
sibling Toffee.


I hope the owners claim compo off the cyclist.

Did they get the cyclist's name and address?

They probably got a load of abuse and a smack in the mouth, they're in
their 70s after all.

Just think how much better it would be if the bike had a registration
plate, etc, etc, etc. (yawn) lol

now you get the idea, likely that a registered cyclist would also have
insurance to pay for the dog's funeral expenses etc. a registered
cyclist would have ridden with more care in the first place so the crash
might not have taken place at all. win-win all round

Do you have any evidence to suggest that the cyclist had no insurance?



the chance is very low.

Indeed. I'm glad you acknowledge that the chance of the cyclist being
insured is therefore very high.

I recently discovered that the high chance of any given cyclist being
insured was a very significant factor in the Swiss federal government
abandoning the compulsory registration of bicycles.



ho ho, the chance that a cyclist in the UK is insured is very low.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:35:30 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 26/08/2013 09:27, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:50:05 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 21:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:57:01 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 08:00, Brian Robertson wrote:
On 24/08/2013 18:31, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:59:25 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 24/08/2013 15:12, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:53:20 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

http://www.thisiss****horpe.co.uk/Pe...#axzz2ctH0GWYv



My thoughts are with the deceased dog's family and friends, and
sibling Toffee.


I hope the owners claim compo off the cyclist.

Did they get the cyclist's name and address?

They probably got a load of abuse and a smack in the mouth, they're in
their 70s after all.

Just think how much better it would be if the bike had a registration
plate, etc, etc, etc. (yawn) lol

now you get the idea, likely that a registered cyclist would also have
insurance to pay for the dog's funeral expenses etc. a registered
cyclist would have ridden with more care in the first place so the crash
might not have taken place at all. win-win all round

Do you have any evidence to suggest that the cyclist had no insurance?



the chance is very low.

Indeed. I'm glad you acknowledge that the chance of the cyclist being
insured is therefore very high.

I recently discovered that the high chance of any given cyclist being
insured was a very significant factor in the Swiss federal government
abandoning the compulsory registration of bicycles.



ho ho, the chance that a cyclist in the UK is insured is very low.

Have you any evidence to support that U-turn in your belief?

On 26/08/2013 09:38, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:35:30 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 26/08/2013 09:27, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 01:50:05 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 21:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:57:01 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 25/08/2013 08:00, Brian Robertson wrote:
On 24/08/2013 18:31, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:59:25 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 24/08/2013 15:12, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:53:20 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote:

http://www.thisiss****horpe.co.uk/Pe...#axzz2ctH0GWYv



My thoughts are with the deceased dog's family and friends, and
sibling Toffee.


I hope the owners claim compo off the cyclist.

Did they get the cyclist's name and address?

They probably got a load of abuse and a smack in the mouth, they're in
their 70s after all.

Just think how much better it would be if the bike had a registration
plate, etc, etc, etc. (yawn) lol

now you get the idea, likely that a registered cyclist would also have
insurance to pay for the dog's funeral expenses etc. a registered
cyclist would have ridden with more care in the first place so the crash
might not have taken place at all. win-win all round

Do you have any evidence to suggest that the cyclist had no insurance?



the chance is very low.

Indeed. I'm glad you acknowledge that the chance of the cyclist being
insured is therefore very high.

I recently discovered that the high chance of any given cyclist being
insured was a very significant factor in the Swiss federal government
abandoning the compulsory registration of bicycles.



ho ho, the chance that a cyclist in the UK is insured is very low.

Have you any evidence to support that U-turn in your belief?


There was no U-turn, but I must admit that my answer could have been
misread by a cyclist.
Do you think that any significant proportion of cyclists in the UK have
insurance ? Perhaps some figures from the dept for transport or any
surveys?

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:27:05 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

Indeed. I'm glad you acknowledge that the chance of the cyclist being
insured is therefore very high.

I recently discovered that the high chance of any given cyclist being
insured was a very significant factor in the Swiss federal government
abandoning the compulsory registration of bicycles.

If that was the reason we should perhaps add the lack of insurance by
many bicyclists in the UK to the list of reasons to register bikes in
the UK?.

Bicyclists generally claim to be covered against third party risks
either by club/CTC membership or by their house contents cover. The
first group represents a fairly insignificant number of cyclists. Of
the rest, according to the Living Costs and Food Survey approximately
20% of households in the UK have no contents insurance and this rises
to over 50% if the occupier is renting, more common in cities and
university towns which also tend to attract the more aggressive
bicyclists.

In addition, many bicyclists are students and most student
accommodation contents policies do not include third party coverage so
"contents insurance = 3rd party cover" often quoted by cyclist
propagandists isn't always the case.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:18:57 +0100
Peter Parry wrote:

If that was the reason we should perhaps add the lack of insurance by
many bicyclists in the UK to the list of reasons to register bikes in
the UK?.

How often do we hear about civil cases against cyclists, in which
judgement is made against them and they are unable to pay?

On 26/08/2013 13:36, Rob Morley wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:18:57 +0100
Peter Parry wrote:

If that was the reason we should perhaps add the lack of insurance by
many bicyclists in the UK to the list of reasons to register bikes in
the UK?.

How often do we hear about civil cases against cyclists, in which
judgement is made against them and they are unable to pay?


Civil cases are massively expensive to pursue, and there is no point
getting a judgement which will not, or is not likely, to be paid, so
many cases which could be won are not pursued.
As to whether all civil cases and their outcomes are made public is a
different matter. Thousands of cases occur every day which are not
publicly reported, doubtless some of them involve cyclists.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:36:44 +0100, Rob Morley
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:18:57 +0100
Peter Parry wrote:

If that was the reason we should perhaps add the lack of insurance by
many bicyclists in the UK to the list of reasons to register bikes in
the UK?.

How often do we hear about civil cases against cyclists, in which
judgement is made against them and they are unable to pay?

About as often as one would expect even if you include those civil
cases where they can pay. The vast majority of civil cases go
completely unreported. It would also be a foolhardy claimant who
attempted to sue someone without ascertaining if they would be able to
pay costs and judgment awards before starting an action.

On 26/08/2013 13:36, Rob Morley wrote:

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:18:57 +0100
Peter Parry wrote:

If that was the reason we should perhaps add the lack of insurance by
many bicyclists in the UK to the list of reasons to register bikes in
the UK?.

How often do we hear about civil cases against cyclists, in which
judgement is made against them and they are unable to pay?

How often do we hear about civil cases against cyclists - where they
have been traced?

As an aside, how often do we hear about civil cases against uninsured
drivers, except insofar as may be necessary to try to extract a payment
out of the MIB (ie. out of the insurance premiums of the ones who *are*
insured)?

No lawyer worth his salt will ever advise a civil case against a man of
straw. Neither should he. It is one of the few scenarios where the
clause "throwing good money after bad" is actually justified.

On 26/08/2013 14:38, Peter Parry wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:36:44 +0100, Rob Morley
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:18:57 +0100
Peter Parry wrote:

If that was the reason we should perhaps add the lack of insurance by
many bicyclists in the UK to the list of reasons to register bikes in
the UK?.

How often do we hear about civil cases against cyclists, in which
judgement is made against them and they are unable to pay?

About as often as one would expect even if you include those civil
cases where they can pay. The vast majority of civil cases go
completely unreported. It would also be a foolhardy claimant who
attempted to sue someone without ascertaining if they would be able to
pay costs and judgment awards before starting an action.

I think a penny might just be starting to drop for RM.