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Last TDF winner to flat?
Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France?
If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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Last TDF winner to flat?
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... Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel Carl: Lance was one of the most incredibly-lucky cyclists ever. He didn't get flats, period. He didn't crash. He had amazing luck when things could have gone very badly (the "shortcut" when Beloki ate the pavement). In general, I think you'll find stronger riders get fewer flats, whether racing or otherwise. It's the guys towards the middle & back that have the problems, because they don't get to see the road ahead of them. In fact, there's a phenomenon we see at the shop quite often where the guy who's always just barely hanging onto the back of the fast rides is doing a number on tires & wheels that's way out of proportion to the miles ridden, because he's just following wheels and doesn't have the energy to avoid the potholes & such that suddenly open up in front of him. But getting back to the Tour de France, you also need to keep in mind that there are few flats among *any* of the riders. If you've ridden the roads, you'd see why. They generally use roads that are already in excellent shape or are re-paved not long before the 'Tour comes through. Too bad they won't bother to use asphalt that doesn't melt at room temperature. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA wrote in message ... Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? Lance Armstrong had punctures during the TdF, not many and they didn't have any consequences for the stages. On most stretches of a typical TdF stage, a puncture is something inconvenient but not catastrophic regarding the stage win or the GC. -- Regards |
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On Jun 23, 11:12*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: wrote in message ... Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel Carl: Lance was one of the most incredibly-lucky cyclists ever. He didn't get flats, period. He didn't crash. He had amazing luck when things could have gone very badly (the "shortcut" when Beloki ate the pavement). In general, I think you'll find stronger riders get fewer flats, whether racing or otherwise. It's the guys towards the middle & back that have the problems, because they don't get to see the road ahead of them. In fact, there's a phenomenon we see at the shop quite often where the guy who's always just barely hanging onto the back of the fast rides is doing a number on tires & wheels that's way out of proportion to the miles ridden, because he's just following wheels and doesn't have the energy to avoid the potholes & such that suddenly open up in front of him. But getting back to the Tour de France, you also need to keep in mind that there are few flats among *any* of the riders. If you've ridden the roads, you'd see why. They generally use roads that are already in excellent shape or are re-paved not long before the 'Tour comes through. Too bad they won't bother to use asphalt that doesn't melt at room temperature. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA wrote in message ... Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mike, I believe Lance did fall in that big crash in the early stages of the TDF in 2003 that broke Tyler Hamilton's collarbone. As far as flats, I have the DVD of the 1990 TDF and Lemond flatted while wearing the yellow jersey in one of the later stages. Smokey |
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Last TDF winner to flat?
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:57:42 -0600, wrote:
Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel Mike Jacoubowsky says, "Lance was one of the most incredibly-lucky cyclists ever. He didn't get flats, period." Hmmm . . . I'm willing to believe it. PHS123 at gmail.com says, "Lance Armstrong had punctures during the TdF, not many and they didn't have any consequences for the stages." Hmmm . . . I'm willing to believe this, too--Mike could have missed the flats. But a link or details about even a single Armstrong flat would help. Was this reported in magazines, seen on television, or what? Smokey says, "As far as flats, I have the DVD of the 1990 TDF and Lemond flatted while wearing the yellow jersey in one of the later stages." Hmmm . . . So for sure Lemond in the 1990 TDF, but that's eighteen years ago. I broke down and googled for "Armstrong flatted," but that produced only the news that Armstrong flatted in 1997 in "El Tour de Tucson": "Lance Armstrong, to whom the ride was dedicated, suffered the same fate as Chris Horner. Armstrong flatted just after the winning move broke away and was content to just ride in and finish." http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/a...97/nov25a.html Does anyone have a link to a page about a TDF winner with a flat tire since 1990? Or a DVD where it's shown? Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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Last TDF winner to flat?
Would you count Floyd and his TT bike tire defect that caused him to
be something like 10+ seconds late to the start house? |
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Last TDF winner to flat?
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Victor Kan
wrote: Would you count Floyd and his TT bike tire defect that caused him to be something like 10+ seconds late to the start house? Dear Victor, I'd have to say no, but thanks for that curious example. What I really want are genuine no-doubt-about-it flats from debris or impacts during the race. Since Floyd was considered the winner at the end of the Tour, I'd count any flats that he had after the start and before the finish of a stage. But I draw a blank on whether that happened. Maybe Floyd flatted and it wasn't considered worth comment? Or maybe he had a dramatic flat and everybody else remembers it except me? Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Jun 24, 1:24*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:57:42 -0600, wrote: Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel Mike Jacoubowsky says, "Lance was one of the most incredibly-lucky cyclists ever. He didn't get flats, period." Hmmm . . . I'm willing to believe it. PHS123 at gmail.com says, "Lance Armstrong had punctures during the TdF, not many and they didn't have any consequences for the stages." Hmmm . . . I'm willing to believe this, too--Mike could have missed the flats. But a link or details about even a single Armstrong flat would help. Was this reported in magazines, seen on television, or what? Smokey says, "As far as flats, I have the DVD of the 1990 TDF and Lemond flatted while wearing the yellow jersey in one of the later stages." Hmmm . . . So for sure Lemond in the 1990 TDF, but that's eighteen years ago. I broke down and googled for "Armstrong flatted," but that produced only the news that Armstrong flatted in 1997 in "El Tour de Tucson": "Lance Armstrong, to whom the ride was dedicated, suffered the same fate as Chris Horner. Armstrong flatted just after the winning move broke away and was content to just ride in and finish." *http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/a...97/nov25a.html Does anyone have a link to a page about a TDF winner with a flat tire since 1990? Or a DVD where it's shown? Cheers, Carl Fogel For some reason, this reminds me of an old Monty Python routine about Mr Pither's Cycling Tour in which he keeps noting his falls and what happens to his lunch - "Fell off near Budleigh. Sandwiches badly crushed." Yes, Tour winners get flats. No, it isn't always newsworthy. That which exists is not always Googleable. But here is an example: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycli...our/wrapup.htm From the final stage in 1999: "And not only was Armstrong clad in the yellow shirt of the race's leader - his wheel was yellow, too. Later, Armstrong was to lose that newly decorated wheel to a puncture, but his loyal teammates from the U.S. Postal Service helped him back to the pack." It was on the first page of Google results for: armstrong puncture. Ben |
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Last TDF winner to flat?
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:46:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Jun 24, 1:24*pm, wrote: On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:57:42 -0600, wrote: Did Armstrong have flat tires in the Tour de France? If not, how far back do we have to go to find a TDF winner who had a flat tire? I'm sure that some RBT posters who know the answers, but I drew a complete blank. Cheers, Carl Fogel Mike Jacoubowsky says, "Lance was one of the most incredibly-lucky cyclists ever. He didn't get flats, period." Hmmm . . . I'm willing to believe it. PHS123 at gmail.com says, "Lance Armstrong had punctures during the TdF, not many and they didn't have any consequences for the stages." Hmmm . . . I'm willing to believe this, too--Mike could have missed the flats. But a link or details about even a single Armstrong flat would help. Was this reported in magazines, seen on television, or what? Smokey says, "As far as flats, I have the DVD of the 1990 TDF and Lemond flatted while wearing the yellow jersey in one of the later stages." Hmmm . . . So for sure Lemond in the 1990 TDF, but that's eighteen years ago. I broke down and googled for "Armstrong flatted," but that produced only the news that Armstrong flatted in 1997 in "El Tour de Tucson": "Lance Armstrong, to whom the ride was dedicated, suffered the same fate as Chris Horner. Armstrong flatted just after the winning move broke away and was content to just ride in and finish." *http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/a...97/nov25a.html Does anyone have a link to a page about a TDF winner with a flat tire since 1990? Or a DVD where it's shown? Cheers, Carl Fogel For some reason, this reminds me of an old Monty Python routine about Mr Pither's Cycling Tour in which he keeps noting his falls and what happens to his lunch - "Fell off near Budleigh. Sandwiches badly crushed." Yes, Tour winners get flats. No, it isn't always newsworthy. That which exists is not always Googleable. But here is an example: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycli...our/wrapup.htm From the final stage in 1999: "And not only was Armstrong clad in the yellow shirt of the race's leader - his wheel was yellow, too. Later, Armstrong was to lose that newly decorated wheel to a puncture, but his loyal teammates from the U.S. Postal Service helped him back to the pack." It was on the first page of Google results for: armstrong puncture. Ben Dear Ben, Thanks! So Armstrong did flat in the TDF in 1999. Now I have to wonder about this century. :-) Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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