Cycling in Toronto

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:10:02 +0100, "W. Wesley Groleau"
wrote:

On 2/25/17 2:24 AM, John B. wrote:
Over here the trend is to remove the cross walks and build pedestrian
bridges over the road. Having to carry your bike up two flights of
stairs, across a 6 - 8 lane bridge and back down several flights of
steps certainly proves the superiority of carbon fiber bicycles :-)

Couple of places in Toronto where I had to carry the bike up stairs of
at least three stories to the six-lane road and back down again to cross
the river. (And halfway on one of them, a cop yelled at me for not
being on the bike paths down below!)

Well, there you go. Over here we don't have all these bike paths,
MUPS, or whatever. You just get on and ride.

But we have one anomaly (I guess you'd call it). In a collision the
larger vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. In other words, if you,
the bicyclist, hit a pedestrian you get to pay the hospital bills and
if an auto hits you than the auto gets to pay.

Of course, there can be extenuating circumstances and it might, after
investigation, be shown that the smaller vehicle was actually at
fault, but the basic concept does seem to effect how larger vehicles
view smaller ones.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 6:45:38 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:10:02 +0100, "W. Wesley Groleau"
wrote:

On 2/25/17 2:24 AM, John B. wrote:
Over here the trend is to remove the cross walks and build pedestrian
bridges over the road. Having to carry your bike up two flights of
stairs, across a 6 - 8 lane bridge and back down several flights of
steps certainly proves the superiority of carbon fiber bicycles :-)

Couple of places in Toronto where I had to carry the bike up stairs of
at least three stories to the six-lane road and back down again to cross
the river. (And halfway on one of them, a cop yelled at me for not
being on the bike paths down below!)

Well, there you go. Over here we don't have all these bike paths,
MUPS, or whatever. You just get on and ride.

But we have one anomaly (I guess you'd call it). In a collision the
larger vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. In other words, if you,
the bicyclist, hit a pedestrian you get to pay the hospital bills and
if an auto hits you than the auto gets to pay.

Of course, there can be extenuating circumstances and it might, after
investigation, be shown that the smaller vehicle was actually at
fault, but the basic concept does seem to effect how larger vehicles
view smaller ones.
--
Cheers,

John B.

THE LOCAL CULTURE, FORMERLY comprised of tree dwelling monkeys, has continued that view of liability. If one choses to drive a tank then so be it but watch your ass.

I assume your leaving out the common fact that the wealthy have sedan chairs and the poor do not. So what gives there ? Does noblisse exist on the highway ?

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 6:02:34 AM UTC-8, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Doug Landau wrote in
:

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 5:28:49 AM UTC-8,
wrote:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...-bloor-st-have
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ncreased-driving-time-and-boosted-cyclists-numbers.html
--
Andrew Chaplin

I rode Toronto one day. Then out of town for the Erie Canal the next
day. Funny thing is noone in Toronto knows how far it is to Hamilton,
or St. Catharines. AFAICT. In fact in Burlington they don't know how
far it is to Hamilton. (It is across the city limit). They just
looked the bike and scowled and said "Far".

I enjoyed riding around town tho. The canal was too much stopping.

I gather you mean the Welland Canal. The Erie is in New York.


I got to Rochester. But thanks next time I'm in Toronto I'll look for the Welland

On 2/28/2017 6:45 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:10:02 +0100, "W. Wesley Groleau"
wrote:

On 2/25/17 2:24 AM, John B. wrote:
Over here the trend is to remove the cross walks and build pedestrian
bridges over the road. Having to carry your bike up two flights of
stairs, across a 6 - 8 lane bridge and back down several flights of
steps certainly proves the superiority of carbon fiber bicycles :-)

Couple of places in Toronto where I had to carry the bike up stairs of
at least three stories to the six-lane road and back down again to cross
the river. (And halfway on one of them, a cop yelled at me for not
being on the bike paths down below!)

Well, there you go. Over here we don't have all these bike paths,
MUPS, or whatever. You just get on and ride.

But we have one anomaly (I guess you'd call it). In a collision the
larger vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. In other words, if you,
the bicyclist, hit a pedestrian you get to pay the hospital bills and
if an auto hits you than the auto gets to pay.

Of course, there can be extenuating circumstances and it might, after
investigation, be shown that the smaller vehicle was actually at
fault, but the basic concept does seem to effect how larger vehicles
view smaller ones.

As I've mentioned before, we were visiting friend in Zurich not long
after such a law was passed. They mentioned it while we were walking
around the city. They claimed it absolutely transformed the behavior of
the motorists. Based on that, I'd love to see such a law here.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:28:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 2/28/2017 6:45 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:10:02 +0100, "W. Wesley Groleau"
wrote:

On 2/25/17 2:24 AM, John B. wrote:
Over here the trend is to remove the cross walks and build pedestrian
bridges over the road. Having to carry your bike up two flights of
stairs, across a 6 - 8 lane bridge and back down several flights of
steps certainly proves the superiority of carbon fiber bicycles :-)

Couple of places in Toronto where I had to carry the bike up stairs of
at least three stories to the six-lane road and back down again to cross
the river. (And halfway on one of them, a cop yelled at me for not
being on the bike paths down below!)

Well, there you go. Over here we don't have all these bike paths,
MUPS, or whatever. You just get on and ride.

But we have one anomaly (I guess you'd call it). In a collision the
larger vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. In other words, if you,
the bicyclist, hit a pedestrian you get to pay the hospital bills and
if an auto hits you than the auto gets to pay.

Of course, there can be extenuating circumstances and it might, after
investigation, be shown that the smaller vehicle was actually at
fault, but the basic concept does seem to effect how larger vehicles
view smaller ones.

As I've mentioned before, we were visiting friend in Zurich not long
after such a law was passed. They mentioned it while we were walking
around the city. They claimed it absolutely transformed the behavior of
the motorists. Based on that, I'd love to see such a law here.

I don't know whether it is the policy of "The Big Guy's Wrong" or just
because it is "The Land of Smiles" but it is noticeable that at an
intersection with no stop light that nearly always, if you act
aggressively, cars will slow down to let you pass. I wouldn't
recommend that as a practice but the few times that I've been sort of
trapped into the move intersecting traffic did slow to let me in.

(sometimes I didn't even have a light on the bike and they still let
me in :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

RIGHT. There are, for the tourist and lame, one way in and one way out. This is the way in. Ahead is a concrete block sand filled 'flyover' at 45-100 depending on what yawl brung. You just drove thru the GP circuit and had an opportunity to stop at a light just behind you.

TheRE's a real Mix of traffic here but ! you let me in and 'll let you in. HEADS UP.

HOWEVER, on the other side under the left side flyover ahead is a 45 degree 45-75 mph right. This is thought of as THE ONLY WAY TO THE AIRPORT AND YOUR FLIGHT IS LEAVING.

There's a sign that reads this.

drivers from prob ChiTown in missing the very long approach to this right are know to stop STOP in the road not turning waiting for n opening. You let me in and I'll let you in.

The rigor of these acts is underlined by the FACT one can drive to the immediate traffic light and THERE ! turn right and NOT stop on the middle of townies rush hour traffic.

generally Ferrari, Lambo, Turbo and plumbers get an immediate opening.

bicycles are committed here to the path or they die.

RIGHT. There are, for the tourist and lame, one way in and one way out. This is the way in. Ahead is a concrete block sand filled 'flyover' at 45-100 depending on what yawl brung. You just drove thru the GP circuit and had an opportunity to stop at a light just behind you.

goo.gl/pWHD9l

TheRE's a real Mix of traffic here but ! you let me in and 'll let you in. HEADS UP.

HOWEVER, on the other side under the left side flyover ahead is a 45 degree 45-75 mph right. This is thought of as THE ONLY WAY TO THE AIRPORT AND YOUR FLIGHT IS LEAVING.

There's a sign that reads this.

drivers from prob ChiTown in missing the very long approach to this right are know to stop STOP in the road not turning waiting for n opening. You let me in and I'll let you in.

The rigor of these acts is underlined by the FACT one can drive to the immediate traffic light and THERE ! turn right and NOT stop on the middle of townies rush hour traffic.

generally Ferrari, Lambo, Turbo and plumbers get an immediate opening.

bicycles are committed here to the path or they die.

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:31:09 PM UTC-5, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
RIGHT. There are, for the tourist and lame, one way in and one way out. This is the way in. Ahead is a concrete block sand filled 'flyover' at 45-100 depending on what yawl brung. You just drove thru the GP circuit and had an opportunity to stop at a light just behind you.

goo.gl/pWHD9l

TheRE's a real Mix of traffic here but ! you let me in and 'll let you in.. HEADS UP.

HOWEVER, on the other side under the left side flyover ahead is a 45 degree 45-75 mph right. This is thought of as THE ONLY WAY TO THE AIRPORT AND YOUR FLIGHT IS LEAVING.

There's a sign that reads this.

drivers from prob ChiTown in missing the very long approach to this right are know to stop STOP in the road not turning waiting for n opening. You let me in and I'll let you in.

The rigor of these acts is underlined by the FACT one can drive to the immediate traffic light and THERE ! turn right and NOT stop on the middle of townies rush hour traffic.

generally Ferrari, Lambo, Turbo and plumbers get an immediate opening.

bicycles are committed here to the path or they die.

the flyover's exit ....below and right is the WAY OUT

goo.gl/Yznxmm

commentary here on 'intersections' is the way out people are 50% less likely to hand out good will space for miscreants or brainless tourists/drunks who bust down to the corner before entering the approach lane.

after a day doing God Knows What out on the island or prickly going to the jet home ....this line may pose some danger to last minute bargers.

be so advised and consider. where is the traffic stream coming from? where izzit going ? Grandma's house, LRRH ? TBBW ?

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 6:22:22 PM UTC-5, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:31:09 PM UTC-5, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
RIGHT. There are, for the tourist and lame, one way in and one way out. This is the way in. Ahead is a concrete block sand filled 'flyover' at 45-100 depending on what yawl brung. You just drove thru the GP circuit and had an opportunity to stop at a light just behind you.

goo.gl/pWHD9l

TheRE's a real Mix of traffic here but ! you let me in and 'll let you in. HEADS UP.

HOWEVER, on the other side under the left side flyover ahead is a 45 degree 45-75 mph right. This is thought of as THE ONLY WAY TO THE AIRPORT AND YOUR FLIGHT IS LEAVING.

There's a sign that reads this.

drivers from prob ChiTown in missing the very long approach to this right are know to stop STOP in the road not turning waiting for n opening. You let me in and I'll let you in.

The rigor of these acts is underlined by the FACT one can drive to the immediate traffic light and THERE ! turn right and NOT stop on the middle of townies rush hour traffic.

generally Ferrari, Lambo, Turbo and plumbers get an immediate opening.

bicycles are committed here to the path or they die.

the flyover's exit ....below and right is the WAY OUT

goo.gl/Yznxmm

commentary here on 'intersections' is the way out people are 50% less likely to hand out good will space for miscreants or brainless tourists/drunks who bust down to the corner before entering the approach lane.

after a day doing God Knows What out on the island or prickly going to the jet home ....this line may pose some danger to last minute bargers.

be so advised and consider. where is the traffic stream coming from? where izzit going ? Grandma's house, LRRH ? TBBW ?

one way using the map is landing the little man on the schematic map then opens to the photo ...tapping the now lower left schematic map will link the mouse cursor to a window pane when slide up into the photo. placing the ane on photo then tapping moves the view.