Basso Loto

On 11/7/2019 9:55 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into
the stove.

I burn a lot of kitchen grease.

But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late
twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney,
and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire
company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.)

We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a
proper stove chimney.

Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when
heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the
bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas.

I think that's due to the radiant heating. It seems to be the most
comfortable.

I've wondered about some sort of small radiant heat panel, for added
comfort of my wife during winter rocking chair nights.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 13:51:43 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:51:21 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 03:33:41 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:49:46 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their
house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand
mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap.

YOU, probaby know how to operate such stove for minimal pollution, but
i've met many people who do not have a clue and produce a lot of smoke
and toxic fumes(cyanide treated pine is very popular collected wood).

Is that a treatment for use as fence posts?

Yep, play equipment, garden edging and everythig that is made of pine and
stuck in the ground. Puke green colour.

Of course I grew up in a small town and thus was countrified, so to
speak, but back then folks used different wood for different purposes.
Fence posts were one sort of wood and the walls of a house were a
different. Pine, which would have been white Pine in that country
certainly wasn't a popular selection for fence posts.

What happened? All the good fence post wood got chopped down?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 14:03:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/7/2019 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:55:28 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into
the stove.

I burn a lot of kitchen grease.

But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late
twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney,
and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire
company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.)

We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a
proper stove chimney.

Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when
heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the
bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas.

The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from the
chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near the ceiling,
so that you radiate heat not only from the stove but from 10 feet or
so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove wood.

One of my back-to-industry sabbaticals was in a little company that had
recently moved into a building that had been a car body shop. The only
heat was a gas fired hot pipe across the ceiling, with reflectors above
to shine the infra-red downward.

It was very comfortable under that hot pipe, even though it was about 15
feet up. The rest of the plant was chilly indeed.

I wonder, as hot air rises would some fans, blowing down, above or
next to the pipe have warmed the building better?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 14:06:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/7/2019 9:55 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into
the stove.

I burn a lot of kitchen grease.

But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late
twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney,
and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire
company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.)

We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a
proper stove chimney.

Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when
heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the
bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas.

I think that's due to the radiant heating. It seems to be the most
comfortable.

I've wondered about some sort of small radiant heat panel, for added
comfort of my wife during winter rocking chair nights.

I was visiting a friend in Perth, Australia in the "winter time" (that
is June and July :-) and he had a smallish infra red heater in the
ceiling of his bathroom and in weather where you started shivering as
soon as you got out of bed the bathroom was warm enough to stand,
comfortably warm, while you toweled yourself off after a shower.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:48:07 +0700, John B.
wrote:

The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from the
chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near the ceiling,
so that you radiate heat not only from the stove but from 10 feet or
so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove wood.

The parlor stove that my parents used before I was born went one
better.

I've no idea where in the parlor the stove was in relation to the hole
in the ceiling, but the hole in the floor was in the middle of the
room above, and the chimney was in the wall between the "hall", as we
called that bedroom, and the little bedroom.

The hole in the floor is long gone -- it fell victim to my older
sisters' habit of putting their legs through it while my parents were
entertaining guests -- but the indoors part of the chimney might still
be there. (My sister had the external parts of unused chimneys
removed as part of a roof repair.) Should we ever gather at my
nephew-in-law's house, I must go up and look.

The fireplace in the kitchen was added when we added central heat,
running water, and electric light with the money Dad earned at DelCo
Remy during WWII. At the same time, the kitchen became the utility
room, the living room became the kitchen, and the parlor became the
living room.

Mom cooked in the fireplace on special occasions. Most of the time
she used her wonderful Anderson gas range with a brick-lined oven.


--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 23:48:02 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:48:07 +0700, John B.
wrote:

The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from the
chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near the ceiling,
so that you radiate heat not only from the stove but from 10 feet or
so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove wood.

The parlor stove that my parents used before I was born went one
better.

I've no idea where in the parlor the stove was in relation to the hole
in the ceiling, but the hole in the floor was in the middle of the
room above, and the chimney was in the wall between the "hall", as we
called that bedroom, and the little bedroom.


My grandparents, my father's people, house had a ventilator, or maybe
they might be termed "radiator" from the "front room" to the bedroom
upstairs. They were just round holes in the floor but they had a sort
of grill in them, top and bottom, that prevented sticking one's legs
through them.

Typical two story New England house of that era. Big front door that
opened into a "front hall" with a sort of grand staircase going
upstairs and a door on each side going into the two sides of the house
which were two rooms up and down with a bathroom upstairs.

Each side had a large kitchen and a "front room". Wood cooking stove
in the kitchen and a "parlor stove" in the Front Room.

The Front Door was never used, unless of course the Preacher were to
visit and everyone used the kitchen door. And life was pretty much
confined to the kitchen.

The wood burning "cook stove" had been converted to kerosene sometime
before I can remember and I remember my grandmother sort of muttering
about all this modern stuff and bemoaning the lack of wood as she said
wood baked beans better. Also the stove had a sort of water sump on
the right hand side and the kerosene didn't heat the water.

The "ice box" was out on the kitchen porch as my grandmother reckoned
that the ice melted slower outdoors.


The hole in the floor is long gone -- it fell victim to my older
sisters' habit of putting their legs through it while my parents were
entertaining guests -- but the indoors part of the chimney might still
be there. (My sister had the external parts of unused chimneys
removed as part of a roof repair.) Should we ever gather at my
nephew-in-law's house, I must go up and look.

The fireplace in the kitchen was added when we added central heat,
running water, and electric light with the money Dad earned at DelCo
Remy during WWII. At the same time, the kitchen became the utility
room, the living room became the kitchen, and the parlor became the
living room.

Mom cooked in the fireplace on special occasions. Most of the time
she used her wonderful Anderson gas range with a brick-lined oven.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 08:14:35 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 14:06:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/7/2019 9:55 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a
stench in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

One lets the solid fuel soak up the liquid fuel before putting it into
the stove.

I burn a lot of kitchen grease.

But on the outdoor hearth; we gave up the wood stove in the late
twentieth century because we had it connected to a fireplace chimney,
and I got tired of unexpectedly hosting a gathering of the local fire
company. (Since they were our lodge brothers, this was embarassing.)

We eventually gave our wood stove to someone who could connect it to a
proper stove chimney.

Rather a pity; the house was much warmer at a given temperature when
heated with a stove, and the sit-quietly areas were warmer than the
bustle-around-working-up-a-sweat areas.

I think that's due to the radiant heating. It seems to be the most
comfortable.

I've wondered about some sort of small radiant heat panel, for added
comfort of my wife during winter rocking chair nights.

I was visiting a friend in Perth, Australia in the "winter time" (that
is June and July :-) and he had a smallish infra red heater in the
ceiling of his bathroom and in weather where you started shivering as
soon as you got out of bed the bathroom was warm enough to stand,
comfortably warm, while you toweled yourself off after a shower.

When you buy those, you buy a second one and stash it away to rob for
replacement globes. Otherwise, the spare globes cost more than the
originaL complete unit.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 23:48:02 -0500,
Joy Beeson wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:48:07 +0700, John B.
wrote:

The technique used to be to put the stove across the room from
the chimney.Then run the stove pipe across the room, up near
the ceiling, so that you radiate heat not only from the stove
but from 10 feet or so of stovepipe. More heat from less stove
wood.

The parlor stove that my parents used before I was born went
one better.

I've no idea where in the parlor the stove was in relation to
the hole in the ceiling, but the hole in the floor was in the
middle of the room above, and the chimney was in the wall
between the "hall", as we called that bedroom, and the little
bedroom.

The hole in the floor is long gone -- it fell victim to my
older sisters' habit of putting their legs through it while my
parents were entertaining guests -- but the indoors part of the
chimney might still be there. (My sister had the external
parts of unused chimneys removed as part of a roof repair.)
Should we ever gather at my nephew-in-law's house, I must go up
and look.

The fireplace in the kitchen was added when we added central
heat, running water, and electric light with the money Dad
earned at DelCo Remy during WWII. At the same time, the
kitchen became the utility room, the living room became the
kitchen, and the parlor became the living room.

Many years ago I read about a Russian woodstove that was
especially good at radiating a high portion of the heat from a
wood fire. Sounded (andstill does) like a nice approach.

https://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/...s-zmaz97onzgoe


Mom cooked in the fireplace on special occasions. Most of the
time she used her wonderful Anderson gas range with a
brick-lined oven.

I cooked professionaly for many years, and can say without
any doubt whatsoever that there is nothing like a commerical gas
range for cooking.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On 2019-11-07 14:49, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-06 20:24, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:46:19 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg
wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It
seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it
apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the
ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond
Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder
coaters and expect them to get around to it around the
end of next week. I was not enthused about the original
colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red
highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue"
which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder
was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy
Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there
finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked
a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and
the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the
Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were
about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook
to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a
set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with
clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and
will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy.
And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the
Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep
carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and
on it took me three days to get that thing properly
centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in
a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your
rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road
bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in
copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks
and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and
there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then
again this greatly reduces the chance of them being
stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in
IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar.


So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud?
OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with
inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch...


No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain
than other mountain bikers on similar trails get.

Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other
cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out
of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them
link-by-link"?


I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they
don't even get 1000mi out of a chain.

What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you
using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the
pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional
cleaning and lubrication.


Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and
that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar.

It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these:

https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html

What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area
where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in
there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids,
drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump
the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or
the open space.



I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical
stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components,
bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked
on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may
cost me 0.1% in my average speed.

One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential
thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another
bike.

Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy
versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works
Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which
gets stolen first?


Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me,
steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed
their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get
them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy
one won't.

It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law
enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing
about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into
versus a manicured mansion.

Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy
versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me
like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point.


They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being
stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those
know if seasoned enough.

The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how
quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money
fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ...

Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily
liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to
particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including:
benzene,
formaldehyde,
acrolein, and
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).

With all that what's a little extra?


We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram
of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was
cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on
the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the
other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to
the storm cap.

Well, there you go. Just dump the used cleaning fluid in the stove and
it will be magically destroyed with no harm to the atmosphere.


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

Quite the contrary, we heated our house, my grand parents heated their
house, our neighbors heated their houses, with wood. My maternal grand
mother even cooked on a wood stove when I was a little chap.

But you were bragging about a stove that "burned clean" so I assumed
that it actually did burn clean, and now you are telling me that it
doesn't burn clean?


If you dump a cold oily substance into it there will be a substantial
puff of unhealthy smoke. If you used a wood stove you should know that.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2019-11-07 19:29, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:04:13 -0800, Joerg wrote:


That will result in an impressive plume of smoke and probably a stench
in the neighborhood. Seems you never operated a wood stove.

That stench here comes from the kerosenes heaters.


Oil heating was very popular in Germany where I lived earlier. However,
even in the 60's the inspector who was also the (required) chimney sweep
measured the soot content on a regular basis. The limits became ever
more strict and if your installation couldn't get below the limit it was
de-certified for further use until repaired or replaced.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/