How Do These Airborne Specs Look?

"Hank Wirtz" wrote in message
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"Gooserider" wrote in
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You want to be comfortable? Here you go:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly....html#complete

Steel frame, fat tires, relaxed geometry. Fender-able, rack-able.
Heavier than your 19 pound Chinese wonder machine, but comfortable
enough for you to actually ride the thing. You ride the Surly enough
and you'll easily drop the 6 pounds of weight difference. Plus, the
Surly is a better fit for NYC, unless you think the gossamer wheels on
the Airborne are going to handle potholes and curbs well.




Wow...now you're talkin'. I thought the days of a quality steel bike for
under $1000 were long gone. It's like a Rivendell Atlantis's kid brother,
right down to the uber-cool bar-end shifters.

Surlys are cool. Lots of messengers use them. The component spec on that
package could be better, but one can always upgrade.

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:02:42 -0400, The Wogster wrote:

RonSonic wrote:
Ah, yes, conventional wisdom. That's why it's so hard for me to find a
"comfort bike" with "performance" specs!


Sorta like finding a luxury car with sports car performance and minivan cargo
capacity.

Actually it's easier to do with a bike, but it would need to be custom
built, start with a light frame, preferably one with fittings for
fenders and racks, add a carbon or Ti fork, then build up the way you
want from there. Bike components are all highly interchangable, so it
should be easy enough to build a comfort bike, using some racing
components, some MTB components, and add a Brooks saddle for comfort.

Yep, as an example there are a lot of "cross" bikes out there that'll never be
used in competition. Also seeing a lot of rigid mountain bikes sporting slicks
and fenders.

Ron

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:12:37 GMT, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

NYC XYZ wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:

NYC, Just frigging go to a shop already; why is that so distasteful
for you?!?

Well, I guess I'd be ****ing off folks there, too -- so why not come
here and do it? =)

Also, I'd feel obligated to buy something for all the questions I'd
pepper them with. Besides, they'd have other customers coming and
going...etc.

One last try.

The idea is to buy a bike. You go to a shop, tell them about the kind of
riding you do (or want/plan to do), and listen to their advice. You try out
what they have to offer. Maybe something really grabs you; maybe nothing
really does. Repeat a few times at /various/ bike shops, and either pick
something or wait a while longer.

Or, just buy one of those Airbornes and make it work.

Then go ride.

Out, BS

I'll believe it when I see it. You're just too stubborn.

Ron

On 23 Jul 2005 11:20:46 -0700, "NYC XYZ" wrote:


Bill Sornson wrote:


As I said 12 hours ago, "Dude, you're all over the map."

Stream-of-consciousness tends to be like that...and no, I can't
organize my thoughts 'cause I have no idea of the "territory" here so
questions just come out -- like when you're doing something for the
first time and you just do whatever instead of in any systematic way
because you haven't any theory in you by which to organize your
actions....

Bill "OK, this time I /really/ give up!" S.

Thanks for playing!

Seriously, I figured I'd get that response from a bike shop, too, so
that's why I'm here. =)

They get paid for it.

Ron

On 23 Jul 2005 11:16:40 -0700, "NYC XYZ" wrote:

Well, I guess I'd be ****ing off folks there, too -- so why not come
here and do it? =)

That's nice. Now that you've admitted that your primary motivation for
posting is annoying us, I think i wont' be reading any more of your posts.

You are the weakest link, goodbye.


Jasper

On 23 Jul 2005 06:32:01 -0700, "NYC XYZ" wrote:

Does it seem suspicious he also deals in
used bikes, on the side, on his own?).

Only inasmuch as he's probably fencing stolen goods. If that doesn't
bother you, they're probably pretty good value for money.

Jasper

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:39:12 GMT, "Gooserider"
wrote:


"NYC XYZ" wrote in message
roups.com...
Vis-a-vis the price, anyway -- $1,300 for 19-lb. bikes!!

http://www.airborne.net/eready/janet...TI-special.asp

http://www.airborne.net/eready/janet...TB-special.asp


You want to be comfortable? Here you go:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly....html#complete

That's a pretty damn cool bike. One could quibble about some of the component
choices but no disagreeing that they're a great bang for the buck package. A
bunch of upgrades and this'll cost as much as what the OP was looking at.

Steel frame, fat tires, relaxed geometry. Fender-able, rack-able. Heavier
than your 19 pound Chinese wonder machine, but comfortable enough for you to
actually ride the thing. You ride the Surly enough and you'll easily drop
the 6 pounds of weight difference. Plus, the Surly is a better fit for NYC,
unless you think the gossamer wheels on the Airborne are going to handle
potholes and curbs well.

Good points all.

Ron

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:33:41 GMT, Jasper Janssen wrote:

On 23 Jul 2005 06:32:01 -0700, "NYC XYZ" wrote:

Does it seem suspicious he also deals in
used bikes, on the side, on his own?).

Only inasmuch as he's probably fencing stolen goods. If that doesn't
bother you, they're probably pretty good value for money.

Why assume they're stolen?

Ron

"RonSonic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:33:41 GMT, Jasper Janssen
wrote:

On 23 Jul 2005 06:32:01 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote:

Does it seem suspicious he also deals in
used bikes, on the side, on his own?).

Only inasmuch as he's probably fencing stolen goods. If that
doesn't
bother you, they're probably pretty good value for money.

Why assume they're stolen?

Ron


Because of the company the seller keeps?

/*mykal*/

"RonSonic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:39:12 GMT, "Gooserider"

wrote:


"NYC XYZ" wrote in message
groups.com...
Vis-a-vis the price, anyway -- $1,300 for 19-lb. bikes!!

http://www.airborne.net/eready/janet...TI-special.asp

http://www.airborne.net/eready/janet...TB-special.asp


You want to be comfortable? Here you go:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly....html#complete

That's a pretty damn cool bike. One could quibble about some of the
component
choices but no disagreeing that they're a great bang for the buck package.
A
bunch of upgrades and this'll cost as much as what the OP was looking at.

Since I would automatically add clipless pedals(maybe a combo
clip/platform), a rack, and fenders, it would reach $1200 in no time.
However, a fifty dollar upgrade here and there amortized over time would be
no big deal. I think I would upgrade the derailleurs and crank(go to Deore
or even 105, maybe a Sugino crankset). Other than that, it would be OK for
years.

Steel frame, fat tires, relaxed geometry. Fender-able, rack-able. Heavier
than your 19 pound Chinese wonder machine, but comfortable enough for you
to
actually ride the thing. You ride the Surly enough and you'll easily drop
the 6 pounds of weight difference. Plus, the Surly is a better fit for
NYC,
unless you think the gossamer wheels on the Airborne are going to handle
potholes and curbs well.

Good points all.

Ron

There's a reason Surlys are big with messengers. I think the Cross-Check
complete bike package is just about the best deal going. Plus---it doesn't
have a flashy paint job, nor does it scream "TITANIUM PLEASE STEAL ME".
Wait, any bike screams that in NYC....