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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
See http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/e-gbo120215.php
Of course they don't talk about the reasons for the decrease in China. Anyone that has been going to China during the last 30 years or so, has seen the construction of massive subway systems in all the major cities. Everyone did not rush out and buy a car to go to work, they now can take mass transit. This is not possible in most of the U.S. where there is little investment in mass transit. |
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
On 2015-12-03 06:16, sms wrote:
See http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/e-gbo120215.php Of course they don't talk about the reasons for the decrease in China. Anyone that has been going to China during the last 30 years or so, has seen the construction of massive subway systems in all the major cities. Everyone did not rush out and buy a car to go to work, they now can take mass transit. This is not possible in most of the U.S. where there is little investment in mass transit. Quote "We've done all the work, now we want people to use the data ..." No, they have not. Until there are detailed interviews with actual residents the main reason for a decline in cycling will never be understood. Bicycle ownership in most countries has nothing to do with bicycle miles. I talk to people a lot, folks who are avid joggers so they don't mind the muscle power that has to go into a bike to propel it at a reasonable clip or to go uphill. _All_ gave me the same reason why they do not cycle: Dangerous county roads with no shoulder at all. Some of them had close calls like I did except they hung up the bicycle afterwards. This is very easy to fix. For example, between here and Intel it's only about a mile out of about 12 that needs some sort of shoulder or better yet a bike path. Much of the rest doesn't have a bike path either but is safe enough. And what do the local movers and shakers want to do? Pave dozens of miles of almost perfectly usable singletrack that goes through far away and sparsely populated lands, to the tune of $50M. Meshugginah. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
THE KING IS DEAD
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
On 12/3/2015 11:11 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-12-03 06:16, sms wrote: See http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/e-gbo120215.php Of course they don't talk about the reasons for the decrease in China. Anyone that has been going to China during the last 30 years or so, has seen the construction of massive subway systems in all the major cities. Everyone did not rush out and buy a car to go to work, they now can take mass transit. This is not possible in most of the U.S. where there is little investment in mass transit. Quote "We've done all the work, now we want people to use the data ..." No, they have not. Until there are detailed interviews with actual residents the main reason for a decline in cycling will never be understood. Bicycle ownership in most countries has nothing to do with bicycle miles. I talk to people a lot, folks who are avid joggers so they don't mind the muscle power that has to go into a bike to propel it at a reasonable clip or to go uphill. _All_ gave me the same reason why they do not cycle: Dangerous county roads with no shoulder at all. Some of them had close calls like I did except they hung up the bicycle afterwards. This is very easy to fix. For example, between here and Intel it's only about a mile out of about 12 that needs some sort of shoulder or better yet a bike path. Much of the rest doesn't have a bike path either but is safe enough. And what do the local movers and shakers want to do? Pave dozens of miles of almost perfectly usable singletrack that goes through far away and sparsely populated lands, to the tune of $50M. Meshugginah. "Bicycle ownership...has nothing to do with bicycle miles." +1 Your average bicycle sold last year was used on one weekend then parked. May see daylight again at a 2018 yard sale. As with many RBT types, the bike I ride most frequently and most miles is quite old, utterly unrelated to "new bike sales" for any recent period. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
On 12/3/2015 9:11 AM, Joerg wrote:
No, they have not. Until there are detailed interviews with actual residents the main reason for a decline in cycling will never be understood. Bicycle ownership in most countries has nothing to do with bicycle miles. That is true. I am sure that we will soon see this study show up on those bogus anti-helmet web sites with proclamations that the reason for the decline is helmet laws, even though there has never been a decline in ridership following the imposition of an MHL, and even thought there are no MHLs in China. I talk to people a lot, folks who are avid joggers so they don't mind the muscle power that has to go into a bike to propel it at a reasonable clip or to go uphill. _All_ gave me the same reason why they do not cycle: Dangerous county roads with no shoulder at all. Some of them had close calls like I did except they hung up the bicycle afterwards. This is very easy to fix. For example, between here and Intel it's only about a mile out of about 12 that needs some sort of shoulder or better yet a bike path. Much of the rest doesn't have a bike path either but is safe enough. Yes, there are often minor gaps in infrastructure that can stop a lot of people from deciding to bike commute. Interesting you brought up Intel since in Santa Clara it's in a location where the regular roads make it a dangerous ride. For years there was an unpaved underpass under 101 that took you right to the Intel headquarters. I worked close by and I used the unpaved route. It was finally paved maybe six years ago and it is now a heavily used route that connects to several other key parts of the infrastructure. The big annoyance is that they close part of this creek trail whenever there is an event at the new Levi's stadium. And what do the local movers and shakers want to do? Pave dozens of miles of almost perfectly usable singletrack that goes through far away and sparsely populated lands, to the tune of $50M. Meshugginah. I didn't know that you spoke Yiddish. |
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
On 2015-12-03 09:23, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/3/2015 11:11 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2015-12-03 06:16, sms wrote: See http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/e-gbo120215.php Of course they don't talk about the reasons for the decrease in China. Anyone that has been going to China during the last 30 years or so, has seen the construction of massive subway systems in all the major cities. Everyone did not rush out and buy a car to go to work, they now can take mass transit. This is not possible in most of the U.S. where there is little investment in mass transit. Quote "We've done all the work, now we want people to use the data ..." No, they have not. Until there are detailed interviews with actual residents the main reason for a decline in cycling will never be understood. Bicycle ownership in most countries has nothing to do with bicycle miles. I talk to people a lot, folks who are avid joggers so they don't mind the muscle power that has to go into a bike to propel it at a reasonable clip or to go uphill. _All_ gave me the same reason why they do not cycle: Dangerous county roads with no shoulder at all. Some of them had close calls like I did except they hung up the bicycle afterwards. This is very easy to fix. For example, between here and Intel it's only about a mile out of about 12 that needs some sort of shoulder or better yet a bike path. Much of the rest doesn't have a bike path either but is safe enough. And what do the local movers and shakers want to do? Pave dozens of miles of almost perfectly usable singletrack that goes through far away and sparsely populated lands, to the tune of $50M. Meshugginah. "Bicycle ownership...has nothing to do with bicycle miles." +1 Your average bicycle sold last year was used on one weekend then parked. May see daylight again at a 2018 yard sale. Always hoping that someone dumps a hardcore large frame downhiller machine for cheap :-) But most people don't sell. I tried to buy a nice Cannondale MTB off a family who has it in the garage for years and nobody will ever ride it again. Made the offer two years ago and sure enough it still hangs in the same spot, except now it has another two years worth of dust on it. Then there is a guy who bought a 7k road bike years ago. It has less than 10 miles on it. Does not sell it. As with many RBT types, the bike I ride most frequently and most miles is quite old, utterly unrelated to "new bike sales" for any recent period. 50/50 with me. The new (less than 2 years old) MTB which is clearly my favorite vehicle an gets around 2500mi a year. Would be more but it breaks down a lot because some part was too wimpy. The road bike with similar mileage is a Gazelle steel-frame custom bike from the early 80's. 2*6, Shimano 600, downtube friction shifters. Some stuff on it is quite worn but it all still hangs in there. Both bikes have luggage racks and now Nashbar Daytrekker panniers. A small investment but those made a huge difference for me. On the MTB it was a lot of work to mount them "slosh-proof". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
On 12/3/2015 9:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-12-03 09:23, AMuzi wrote: On 12/3/2015 11:11 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2015-12-03 06:16, sms wrote: See http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/e-gbo120215.php Of course they don't talk about the reasons for the decrease in China. Anyone that has been going to China during the last 30 years or so, has seen the construction of massive subway systems in all the major cities. Everyone did not rush out and buy a car to go to work, they now can take mass transit. This is not possible in most of the U.S. where there is little investment in mass transit. Quote "We've done all the work, now we want people to use the data ..." No, they have not. Until there are detailed interviews with actual residents the main reason for a decline in cycling will never be understood. Bicycle ownership in most countries has nothing to do with bicycle miles. I talk to people a lot, folks who are avid joggers so they don't mind the muscle power that has to go into a bike to propel it at a reasonable clip or to go uphill. _All_ gave me the same reason why they do not cycle: Dangerous county roads with no shoulder at all. Some of them had close calls like I did except they hung up the bicycle afterwards. This is very easy to fix. For example, between here and Intel it's only about a mile out of about 12 that needs some sort of shoulder or better yet a bike path. Much of the rest doesn't have a bike path either but is safe enough. And what do the local movers and shakers want to do? Pave dozens of miles of almost perfectly usable singletrack that goes through far away and sparsely populated lands, to the tune of $50M. Meshugginah. "Bicycle ownership...has nothing to do with bicycle miles." +1 Your average bicycle sold last year was used on one weekend then parked. May see daylight again at a 2018 yard sale. Always hoping that someone dumps a hardcore large frame downhiller machine for cheap :-) But most people don't sell. I tried to buy a nice Cannondale MTB off a family who has it in the garage for years and nobody will ever ride it again. Made the offer two years ago and sure enough it still hangs in the same spot, except now it has another two years worth of dust on it. Then there is a guy who bought a 7k road bike years ago. It has less than 10 miles on it. Does not sell it. I wanted to buy an old touring bicycle from a friend who has not ridden it in probably a decade since she has two other bicycles that she prefers. At first she agreed. Then she called me and said that after cleaning it up and tuning it she decided to keep it. I am sure that she still never rides it. Where I see really good deals on high quality bicycles in when my city has its annual citywide garage sale. The price expectations are much more reasonable than for craigslist bikes. When you see a craiglist bicycle not selling for more than three weeks you'd think that the owner might get real about the pricing. Expecting to get more than 50% of the new price is naive unless it's some specialty bicycle like a Brompton. |
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 5:39:44 PM UTC, sms wrote:
On 12/3/2015 9:11 AM, Joerg wrote: and sparsely populated lands, to the tune of $50M. Meshugginah. I didn't know that you spoke Yiddish. He doesn't. That's not how you spell "nuts" or "nutter" in Yiddish. Meshuggah is crazy, adjective. A crazy person, noun, is meshuggeneh (f) and meshuggener (m). A crazy activity, which is what Joerg intends to say, is meshugaas. Andre Jute Always happy to help |
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"Global bicycle ownership rates see big downturn"
On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 5:27:23 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/3/2015 11:15 AM, wrote: THE KING IS DEAD Elvis, even in death, makes more money every year than you will in a lifetime. Is this a great county or what? Oh by the way, Frank Zappa (28 years cold) has a new release out. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Dijja see a move called TRON with the young Jeff Bridges rendered by computer, very believably. I can't wait for them to bring back Elvis by computer. I always thought he was an underrated actor. But. please God, don't give the job to Disney. Andre Jute Remind me sometime to tell you what Fats Domino said about Elvis and the Colonel... |
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