cleaning tools

The first task of the navigation computer is to derive and display course over ground (COG) and speed over ground (SOG). Because the system knows where the vessel was a few seconds ago and where it is now, the navigation computer can approximate SOG and COG.

http://www.yachtingmagazine.com/thin...our-gps-system

during a locally epic kayak paddle done as both down and back were downwind and with the tides, I used SOG n COG for course achieved.

The SOG gave screen position for A to B

The COG gave the hull’s sailing position to the wind and distance from COG

I have a Lman like I have a silicone nylon rain parka. Always there. The Lman with pliers, pick file n knives …can opener save my ass 5-6 times a year.
Lman replaced the unit when the can opener split. An Lman is meant to evolve with your needs. Need more pick ? grind ….

This is SOG

The first task of the navigation computer is
to derive and display course over ground
(COG) and speed over ground (SOG).

OK, that is yet another SOG.

I have a Lman like I have a silicone nylon
rain parka. Always there. The Lman with
pliers, pick file n knives …can opener save
my ass 5-6 times a year. Lman replaced the
unit when the can opener split. An Lman is
meant to evolve with your needs. Need more
pick ? grind ….

I think the "Lman" idea is good. It is the
Swiss army knife 2.0. I think the argument
against the Lman was 1) the illusion that one
could rely on it for everyday work, and
2) people getting it as an identity/image
gadget/gimmick, while in practice not living up
to the "man of action"/"always ready" pose they
want to transmit by sporting it, which makes
those guys pathetic in our eyes. This is
something in the realm of humans, not the tool
itself. Of course, you understood all that,
so just sayin'...

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John B. wrote:
:On Mon, 03 Jul 2017 07:48:51 +0200, Emanuel Berg
:wrote:

:John B. writes:
:
: I had a similar discussion about those silly
: "Leatherman" tools. They provide a mediocre tool for
: multiple purposes and a superior tool for nothing.
:
:The appeal is not what they do but what they could do.
:They are easy to bring and relaxing to fiddle with and
:talk about. It is the inherent adventure, which
:perhaps most often does not materialize. No one (I
:hope) claims they are for everyday work!

:I had a friend who was a yachtsman. He always carried a Leatherman in
:a little belt holster. But when he had a problem on his boat he would
:always get me to fix it :-)

Well, he had the sense to use the right tool, then. I have one, and
have carried a series of them for over 20 years. It's the wrong tool
for almost every job, but its the tool you have, which makes it the
best tool.

--
It makes me feel good knowing that with extensive training, weight
loss and a large capital expenditure, I can fly further than a
flightless chicken. -- Jay Beattie.

On 7/3/2017 3:32 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2017 07:48:51 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. writes:

I had a similar discussion about those silly
"Leatherman" tools. They provide a mediocre tool for
multiple purposes and a superior tool for nothing.

The appeal is not what they do but what they could do.
They are easy to bring and relaxing to fiddle with and
talk about. It is the inherent adventure, which
perhaps most often does not materialize. No one (I
hope) claims they are for everyday work!

I had a friend who was a yachtsman. He always carried a Leatherman in
a little belt holster. But when he had a problem on his boat he would
always get me to fix it :-)

One gripe of mine is this: "Frank, you're better at that job. Would you
do it?" I get that a lot. To me, it's punishment for competence and
reward for laziness.

Krygowski's Law: The more you know, the more they make you do.


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- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:31:12 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
wrote:

John B. wrote:
:On Mon, 03 Jul 2017 07:48:51 +0200, Emanuel Berg
:wrote:

:John B. writes:
:
: I had a similar discussion about those silly
: "Leatherman" tools. They provide a mediocre tool for
: multiple purposes and a superior tool for nothing.
:
:The appeal is not what they do but what they could do.
:They are easy to bring and relaxing to fiddle with and
:talk about. It is the inherent adventure, which
:perhaps most often does not materialize. No one (I
:hope) claims they are for everyday work!

:I had a friend who was a yachtsman. He always carried a Leatherman in
:a little belt holster. But when he had a problem on his boat he would
:always get me to fix it :-)

Well, he had the sense to use the right tool, then. I have one, and
have carried a series of them for over 20 years. It's the wrong tool
for almost every job, but its the tool you have, which makes it the
best tool.

I bought a leatherman, way back when they first were being sold, and
rapidly discovered that they weren't very efficient for any task. I
reverted to a small tool kit of single use tools that worked far
better. As for "the tool you have" what does that mean? If you have a
mechanical device you can include a tool kit.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:00:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/3/2017 3:32 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2017 07:48:51 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. writes:

I had a similar discussion about those silly
"Leatherman" tools. They provide a mediocre tool for
multiple purposes and a superior tool for nothing.

The appeal is not what they do but what they could do.
They are easy to bring and relaxing to fiddle with and
talk about. It is the inherent adventure, which
perhaps most often does not materialize. No one (I
hope) claims they are for everyday work!

I had a friend who was a yachtsman. He always carried a Leatherman in
a little belt holster. But when he had a problem on his boat he would
always get me to fix it :-)

One gripe of mine is this: "Frank, you're better at that job. Would you
do it?" I get that a lot. To me, it's punishment for competence and
reward for laziness.

Krygowski's Law: The more you know, the more they make you do.

In the case I mentioned the guy was a sailor, a real one, and had made
more voyages ferrying yachts then I'd sailed in my entire life and
amazingly knew very little about how various mechanisms on a boat
actually worked.

But I suspect that those that know and can do often dig their own
graves, as it were. Imagine, you are standing there chatting with a
guy who is trying to get a winch to work. You see what he is doing
wrong and say something like, "Here now, just flip that little lever
the other way and it will work" He does and it does and you have
suddenly become the guy to go to make winches work :-)

As the years go by I have become more and more reticent. Now my usual
comment is more on the lines of "Boy! You sure got a problem there
haven't you?"
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Cheers,

John B.

John B. wrote:
:On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:31:12 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
wrote:

:John B. wrote:
::On Mon, 03 Jul 2017 07:48:51 +0200, Emanuel Berg
::wrote:
:
::John B. writes:
::
:: I had a similar discussion about those silly
:: "Leatherman" tools. They provide a mediocre tool for
:: multiple purposes and a superior tool for nothing.
::
::The appeal is not what they do but what they could do.
::They are easy to bring and relaxing to fiddle with and
::talk about. It is the inherent adventure, which
::perhaps most often does not materialize. No one (I
::hope) claims they are for everyday work!
:
::I had a friend who was a yachtsman. He always carried a Leatherman in
::a little belt holster. But when he had a problem on his boat he would
::always get me to fix it :-)
:
:Well, he had the sense to use the right tool, then. I have one, and
:have carried a series of them for over 20 years. It's the wrong tool
:for almost every job, but its the tool you have, which makes it the
:best tool.

:I bought a leatherman, way back when they first were being sold, and
:rapidly discovered that they weren't very efficient for any task. I
:reverted to a small tool kit of single use tools that worked far
:better. As for "the tool you have" what does that mean? If you have a

It's in my pocket. Always.

:mechanical device you can include a tool kit.

Sure. For my mechanical devices. Doesn't do any good when I'm not in
one of my mechanical devices, or hiking, or at the park, or in
someone's kitchen.


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John B. wrote:

I bought a leatherman, way back when they first
were being sold

By the way, what is the deal with "Leatherman"?
Is it really the original design? I heard of
them just recently, maybe two years ago, in the
posh mountaineering world, but my SOG and
a couple of other such tools
(i.e., combination plier + Swiss-army-knife
style foldable stuff) I've had for ages.

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On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote:
John B. wrote:

I bought a leatherman, way back when they first
were being sold

By the way, what is the deal with "Leatherman"?
Is it really the original design? I heard of
them just recently, maybe two years ago, in the
posh mountaineering world, but my SOG and
a couple of other such tools
(i.e., combination plier + Swiss-army-knife
style foldable stuff) I've had for ages.

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573


too heavy for the mtns ?

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