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Just back from the fireworks in Sydney
Rode into town around 2100 and wandered around a bit looking for
something to eat at Chinatown. Then around 2300, rode up George Street to the Opera House but got a puncture along the way cos of some broken glass. Fixed that real quick and still managed to score a good spot just under the Harbour Bridge and had a great view of the fireworks. Only 12 mins of fireworks but AWESOME becos where the spot I was at was rather quirky as it seemed to trap the sounds of the explosions. No parking problems. No traffic problems. It was fun Happy New Year all. |
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On 1/01/2011 1:43 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
Rode into town around 2100 and wandered around a bit looking for something to eat at Chinatown. Then around 2300, rode up George Street to the Opera House but got a puncture along the way cos of some broken glass. Fixed that real quick and still managed to score a good spot just under the Harbour Bridge and had a great view of the fireworks. Only 12 mins of fireworks but AWESOME becos where the spot I was at was rather quirky as it seemed to trap the sounds of the explosions. No parking problems. No traffic problems. It was fun Happy New Year all. They tell me there will be parking meters in place for next year! This morning on ABC Radio there was an interview with, I thing the Sydney City Council manager of some sorts, explaining how much rubbish was left by people. Something like down from 89 tonnes to only 60 tonnes which they had to clean up. The disappointing part was the Announcer was laughing about the amount left. Like your puncture from broken glass, people are no longer responsible its just a big joke. Having said that I was in Quebec City, in 2010 yep last year now, and they celebrated John Bastille Day, the crowds absolutely trashed the city to the point where all glass bottles were smashed all the gardens trampled, being there for another couple of days observed cleaners down on there hands and knees picking broken glass out of the, which were, previously lawns. Totally disgusting for a beautiful city. |
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In aus.bicycle on Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:18:52 +1100
Rob wrote: This morning on ABC Radio there was an interview with, I thing the Sydney City Council manager of some sorts, explaining how much rubbish was left by people. Something like down from 89 tonnes to only 60 tonnes which they had to clean up. The disappointing part was the Announcer was laughing about the amount left. Like your puncture from broken glass, people are no longer responsible its just a big joke. Hate to break it to you.. they never were. Not in the mass. It's a tricky problem... There's some reason to believe that if you *don't* provide rubbish bins, people take their rubbish with them rather than throw it away. If you do and they overflow, people will just dump the rubbish by the full bin or throw it nearby rather than taking it home. There's a line past which people won't take the rubbish home, usually when it's too much, too dirty, or awkward. Bottles are awkward to carry, you can shove a chip packet into your pocket, but not a bottle. So they get chucked. Especially as most glass ones are alcohol and alcohol is a disinhibitor. Add to that the fact that the place gets cleaned and people know it, that it isn't theirs so they don't feel responsible for the mess (see also the sink in any workplace with more than a handful of employeers) and they see others do it, and they aren't sorrounded by people they believe will think badly of them. All those mean most people's desire not to leave a mess is much lessened. (And it was ever thus, it was thus when I worked for the Adelaide city council in the 80s, it was thus as long as there have been out door events and people attended them and *had* rubbish to throw. I've seen rants about picknicers and outdoor concert goers dating from the 1840s. The City Engineer (who was responsible for the rubbish collection and street cleaning) was a mine of information on the history of rubbish and the problems of dealing with it.) Only way to stop broken glass is the proven South Oz method: deposits. You don't see smashed glass on SA roads. Or roads within a mile or two of the border. Go much further and you see plenty. Minor downside to the deposit law is more rubbish, because scavengers go through rubbish bins and don't put the rubbish back. If you want to stop people leaving rubbish, forbid alcohol, have large bins everywhere and empty them often enough that they never fill. You'll find the cost and logistics of that to be horrible, and the complaints about the ugly smelly bins ruining the place will be many. Zebee |
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Zebee Johnstone wrote:
Minor downside to the deposit law is more rubbish, because scavengers go through rubbish bins and don't put the rubbish back. IME, the pesioers who do that are very careful about putting the rubbish back. |
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In aus.bicycle on Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:31:35 +1100
terryc wrote: Zebee Johnstone wrote: Minor downside to the deposit law is more rubbish, because scavengers go through rubbish bins and don't put the rubbish back. IME, the pesioers who do that are very careful about putting the rubbish back. It varies, but when I was working for the council it was one of the big problems we had. Zebee |
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terryc wrote:
Zebee Johnstone wrote: Minor downside to the deposit law is more rubbish, because scavengers go through rubbish bins and don't put the rubbish back. IME, the pesioers who do that are very careful about putting the rubbish back. Check your keyboard, your "n" seems not to be working. |
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On 1/01/2011 11:39 AM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
In aus.bicycle on Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:18:52 +1100 wrote: Only way to stop broken glass is the proven South Oz method: deposits. You don't see smashed glass on SA roads. Or roads within a mile or two of the border. Go much further and you see plenty. Always wondered how well the SA deposit system worked. Sounds like it works a treat according to what you are saying there. Minor downside to the deposit law is more rubbish, because scavengers go through rubbish bins and don't put the rubbish back. But surely the scavo problem is minisicule compared to what actually goes back to the recycling plant - I mean, there can't be that many bottles left around for scavenging. If you want to stop people leaving rubbish, forbid alcohol, have large bins everywhere and empty them often enough that they never fill. *Ahem* I have to object to the ban on alcohol - totally unbiased opinion on my part of cos but methinks that the "large bins everywhere" idea is the real answer provided they get emptied regularly. You'll find the cost and logistics of that to be horrible, and the complaints about the ugly smelly bins ruining the place will be many. Yeah, cost-wise it's probably a killer but the smelliness factor probably does not apply if said large bins were used in one-day events. |
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On 1/01/2011 2:36 PM, Dr Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF wrote:
Zebee Johnstone wrote: If you want to stop people leaving rubbish, forbid alcohol, have large bins everywhere and empty them often enough that they never fill. Of course, Sydney doesn't have too many bins thanks to Goof ****lam's brilliant decision to hold a CHOGM conference in the middle of Sydney back in the early 70s. With the number of cameras around the place nowadays, it is probably unlikely that we will have a repeat of the Hilton bombing. My guess is that highly visible notices announcing the presence of such cameras would be a deterrent of sorts. Having said that, I am reasonably certain that there are some crazies who will not be stopped by any form of passive deterrent so maybe we should all be allowed to carry guns .... eeerrr.. sorry.. I got carried away there |
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On 1/01/2011 5:49 PM, Geoff Lock wrote:
On 1/01/2011 11:39 AM, Zebee Johnstone wrote: In aus.bicycle on Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:18:52 +1100 wrote: Only way to stop broken glass is the proven South Oz method: deposits. You don't see smashed glass on SA roads. Or roads within a mile or two of the border. Go much further and you see plenty. Always wondered how well the SA deposit system worked. Sounds like it works a treat according to what you are saying there. Minor downside to the deposit law is more rubbish, because scavengers go through rubbish bins and don't put the rubbish back. But surely the scavo problem is minisicule compared to what actually goes back to the recycling plant - I mean, there can't be that many bottles left around for scavenging. If you want to stop people leaving rubbish, forbid alcohol, have large bins everywhere and empty them often enough that they never fill. *Ahem* I have to object to the ban on alcohol - totally unbiased opinion on my part of cos but methinks that the "large bins everywhere" idea is the real answer provided they get emptied regularly. You'll find the cost and logistics of that to be horrible, and the complaints about the ugly smelly bins ruining the place will be many. Yeah, cost-wise it's probably a killer but the smelliness factor probably does not apply if said large bins were used in one-day events. When you attend big events now you are subjected to a security check. Wonder if big bins are placed at these gates so when you leave would people use them? |
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Just back from the fireworks in Sydney
F Murtz wrote:
terryc wrote: Zebee Johnstone wrote: Minor downside to the deposit law is more rubbish, because scavengers go through rubbish bins and don't put the rubbish back. IME, the pesioers who do that are very careful about putting the rubbish back. Check your keyboard, your "n" seems not to be working. Why? Seems people managed fine with out it VBCG In any case, if I remember that bit about misspellings, I only have to get the beginning and ends of words right for people to understand what I mean. |
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