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I don't think what the guy did was unethical but its also not uncommon
for these sorts of hardball tactics to backfire. Lots of email inquiries does not necessarily mean lots of motivated buyers WITH MONEY. By trying to play buyers off of each other, you run a big risk of alienating the serious ones and stand a good chance of winding up with a high offer from some goofball who can't come up with the dough when its time to pay. My advice? Tell the guy your offer stands, and that when he gets tired of dealing with flakes, he should contact you. |
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It may not be uncommon, it may be within the seller's rights, but that really
does not make it the right thing to do or present the seller as a straight-shooter (which is what I was reporting). My point here is that, after this kind of behavior, I would not buy from this person as I do not believe that I can trust his future actions. For those who believe this that I have defamed the seller, this is something the seller has done to himself by virtue of his own behavior. I merely report facts and offer my opinion. Readers are, of course, able to draw their own... wrote: I don't think what the guy did was unethical but its also not uncommon for these sorts of hardball tactics to backfire. Lots of email inquiries does not necessarily mean lots of motivated buyers WITH MONEY. By trying to play buyers off of each other, you run a big risk of alienating the serious ones and stand a good chance of winding up with a high offer from some goofball who can't come up with the dough when its time to pay. My advice? Tell the guy your offer stands, and that when he gets tired of dealing with flakes, he should contact you. |
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David White wrote: It may not be uncommon, it may be within the seller's rights, but that really does not make it the right thing to do or present the seller as a straight-shooter (which is what I was reporting). My point here is that, after this kind of behavior, I would not buy from this person as I do not believe that I can trust his future actions. For those who believe this that I have defamed the seller, this is something the seller has done to himself by virtue of his own behavior. I merely report facts and offer my opinion. Readers are, of course, able to draw their own... This was an awfully shrill hissy fit for you to throw if your only point is that this guy is "not a straight-shooter." I think your whining says more negative things about you than about him. You can't trust him? He was pretty up-front with you, if I look at how you told the story. I'd say that YOU are the one that can't be trusted. I certainly wouldnt want to deal with you. If I ****ed and cried on RBM every time a deal fell through... well, I just wouldnt, because it would be beneath me. Why dont you go write "Gustafson sucks" on a bathroom wall? It would be just as cathartic and less defamatory. |
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"Velo Psycho" writes:
David White wrote: It may not be uncommon, it may be within the seller's rights, but that really does not make it the right thing to do or present the seller as a straight-shooter (which is what I was reporting). My point here is that, after this kind of behavior, I would not buy from this person as I do not believe that I can trust his future actions. For those who believe this that I have defamed the seller, this is something the seller has done to himself by virtue of his own behavior. I merely report facts and offer my opinion. Readers are, of course, able to draw their own... This was an awfully shrill hissy fit for you to throw if your only point is that this guy is "not a straight-shooter." I think your whining says more negative things about you than about him. You can't trust him? He was pretty up-front with you, if I look at how you told the story. I'd say that YOU are the one that can't be trusted. I certainly wouldnt want to deal with you. If I ****ed and cried on RBM every time a deal fell through... well, I just wouldnt, because it would be beneath me. Why dont you go write "Gustafson sucks" on a bathroom wall? It would be just as cathartic and less defamatory. Jeez, having a bad day, there, VP? Or are you the seller in question? Your overreaction is what seems shrill and hissy- far more so than David White's statements. You might disagree with David and you might have rational and well-thought out grounds for it. But your posts seem, frankly, to be living up to your screen name. |
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Gotta agree with David on this one........guys a shady seller. If he wants
to run and auction; post the item on E-bay and pay the appropriate fees. Otherwise, sell the item for your advertised price like most others on this board. Better yet, if you're gonna try and get every last penny out of the item and must use the bulletin board, then list it as "best offer" by a certain date. Thanks for the heads up David!! "Velo Psycho" wrote in message ups.com... David White wrote: It may not be uncommon, it may be within the seller's rights, but that really does not make it the right thing to do or present the seller as a straight-shooter (which is what I was reporting). My point here is that, after this kind of behavior, I would not buy from this person as I do not believe that I can trust his future actions. For those who believe this that I have defamed the seller, this is something the seller has done to himself by virtue of his own behavior. I merely report facts and offer my opinion. Readers are, of course, able to draw their own... This was an awfully shrill hissy fit for you to throw if your only point is that this guy is "not a straight-shooter." I think your whining says more negative things about you than about him. You can't trust him? He was pretty up-front with you, if I look at how you told the story. I'd say that YOU are the one that can't be trusted. I certainly wouldnt want to deal with you. If I ****ed and cried on RBM every time a deal fell through... well, I just wouldnt, because it would be beneath me. Why dont you go write "Gustafson sucks" on a bathroom wall? It would be just as cathartic and less defamatory. |
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I would have taken a selling price of the stated price/OBO to mean a
maximum of the stated price. Around here the OBO means the best offer if lower than the stated price. I would not have offered any more than the stated price under any circumstances. David White wrote: It may not be uncommon, it may be within the seller's rights, but that really does not make it the right thing to do or present the seller as a straight-shooter (which is what I was reporting). My point here is that, after this kind of behavior, I would not buy from this person as I do not believe that I can trust his future actions. For those who believe this that I have defamed the seller, this is something the seller has done to himself by virtue of his own behavior. I merely report facts and offer my opinion. Readers are, of course, able to draw their own... |
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Dave, if the ad said "$1250" then it would be slimy to accept someone's
offer and then back out. But if it said "or best offer" the seller was within his purview to accept higher offers unless you had already paid him. It looks to me like you really wanted that bike and the price was too good to be true. No worries mate, it will come again. tom "David White" wrote in message ... Nice talk. Like that was invited by anything said by anyone on this thread. Perhaps the "Psycho" is significant here. Sure, it said OBO. However, we read and lexically interpret English left to right (perhaps you do not). The word "or" signifies either the first thing OR the other thing. I offered the first thing and the lexical analysis stops there. Anyhow, how many people really believe that the seller meant "$1275 or more money if you want to pay that"? In classifieds, OBO is always construed to mean "I will consider less than the published asking price if things come to that". Regards your previous posting rant: (a) I never said anything about a "contract" or suing anyone. I am not getting legal here. I am simply letting people know that if someone is slimey in handling offers given at their requested (and fair) value, they may be slimey in other ways too - why take the risk? (b) This was NOT someone offering to essentially "give" something away of huge value for a pittance. I was NOT trying to take advantage of a country bumpkin as you suggest. The ad clearly states, "too many bikes make for angry spouses" as the reason for selling. This is NOT someone who inherited a bike and is getting rid of it without first having done their homework. This is someone who ownes several bikes at least and clearly knows what he is doing - backing away from a clearly stated offer in hopes of squeezing a few more dollars. Perhaps this is the seller's right but that does not make it RIGHT! (c) The asking price was NOT unreasonable. I just almost purchased nearly the same item for $275 less a week ago (also on RBR - see bleow). So check EBay and other sources and you will see that this was no give-away or even a swinging-great deal. It was a good price, not out of line with the recent marketplace. (d) Here is an excerpt from my email exchange with another seller of the same bike/size (slightly different components) a week earlier on RBR, "I would suggest calling soon. I am up until 10 PM and up early by 6:30. I have several very interested parties. I fear I have priced this too low. Oh well, the bike that I just bought was a bargain, so it all balances out." Here is a person of integrity and dignity. This is the kind of person we'd all hope to transact business with. He could have easily turned his RBR ad into an auction. But he did not! Velo Psycho wrote: David White wrote: You may want to beware of Curt Gustafson ) of Truckee, CA as he is not the most square dealer you might wish to encounter. I am not saying he is dishonest but he sure is slimy. The other evening, he posted a complete bike for sale on Road Bike Review. I was lucky enough to see it just after posting. It was a bike I have been seeking at a price I was willing to pay. I immediately offered to buy the bike. I accepted his description as honest and complete (there were no photos). My only question was "Please let me know how to contact you via phone and we can work out payment and shipping to Seattle". I also gave Curt my phone number as a symbol of my sincerity. After waiting all day for a return email or a call, I finally get an email. Here is what Curt says, "Wow, that's a quick decision...I have gotten several offers to buy the bike already... I don't want to sound overly mercenary, or turn this into an eBay auction, but with this much activity the first day, I think I might want to give the ad a week before I make a decision." So here is a guy who sets a price, gets his price quickly and without reservation. He then decides to try and squeeze the buyer for more money. Someone capable of this kind of behavior would seem capable of anything. So beware. David, You lose... the ad says $1275/OBO. "OBO" means "or best offer." Was your offer the "best offer?" No? Then shut the **** up. |
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