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On 11/27/2020 4:58 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op vrijdag 27 november 2020 om 22:40:02 UTC+1 schreef James:
On 28/11/20 4:50 am, Tom Kunich wrote:


One of he bad things about bikes today is that you hesitate to ride
them in gravel because f the impending damage to the expensive
frameset.
There is a huge range of frames available over the spectrum of price and
weight. If people use "impending damage to the expensive frameset" as
an excuse not to ride their bicycle on a smooth gravel road, they don't
really want to ride on a gravel road, otherwise they'd buy a cheaper and
more robust frame that they don't have to worry about.

My bad weather, gravel and winter bike happens also to be my most expensive bike. So on my requirement list was:
- it has to be robust,
- doesn't corrode,
- don't have a paint job that can be ruined,
- must have brakes that always work
- no cables that get stuck or need a lot of maintenance.

Lou


What a coincidence. Sounds similar to my Kestrel fixie.

"many paths to victory"

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:26:55 p.m. UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/27/2020 3:39 PM, James wrote:
On 28/11/20 4:50 am, Tom Kunich wrote:


One of he bad things about bikes today is that you
hesitate to ride
them in gravel because f the impending damage to the
expensive
frameset.
There is a huge range of frames available over the spectrum
of price and weight. If people use "impending damage to the
expensive frameset" as an excuse not to ride their bicycle
on a smooth gravel road, they don't really want to ride on a
gravel road, otherwise they'd buy a cheaper and more robust
frame that they don't have to worry about.

Famous Person riding along, thinking, "What. me worry?"

https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...mmit_2003f.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Righto! Jobst rode his road bicycle on some pretty challenging stuff and the road in that image is pretty tame compared to some of the stuff he rode on.

Cheers

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 16:00:17 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:26:55 p.m. UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/27/2020 3:39 PM, James wrote:
On 28/11/20 4:50 am, Tom Kunich wrote:


One of he bad things about bikes today is that you
hesitate to ride
them in gravel because f the impending damage to the
expensive
frameset.
There is a huge range of frames available over the spectrum
of price and weight. If people use "impending damage to the
expensive frameset" as an excuse not to ride their bicycle
on a smooth gravel road, they don't really want to ride on a
gravel road, otherwise they'd buy a cheaper and more robust
frame that they don't have to worry about.

Famous Person riding along, thinking, "What. me worry?"

https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...mmit_2003f.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Righto! Jobst rode his road bicycle on some pretty challenging stuff and the road in that image is pretty tame compared to some of the stuff he rode on.

Cheers

There is a photo of what appears to be he and his yellow bicycle on
some rather challenging terrain. See
https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...dyhill1987.jpg
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 6:16:34 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 16:00:17 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:26:55 p.m. UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/27/2020 3:39 PM, James wrote:
On 28/11/20 4:50 am, Tom Kunich wrote:


One of he bad things about bikes today is that you
hesitate to ride
them in gravel because f the impending damage to the
expensive
frameset.
There is a huge range of frames available over the spectrum
of price and weight. If people use "impending damage to the
expensive frameset" as an excuse not to ride their bicycle
on a smooth gravel road, they don't really want to ride on a
gravel road, otherwise they'd buy a cheaper and more robust
frame that they don't have to worry about.

Famous Person riding along, thinking, "What. me worry?"

https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...mmit_2003f.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Righto! Jobst rode his road bicycle on some pretty challenging stuff and the road in that image is pretty tame compared to some of the stuff he rode on.

Cheers
There is a photo of what appears to be he and his yellow bicycle on
some rather challenging terrain. See
https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...dyhill1987.jpg
--
Cheers,

John B.

Pfff. Road biking near downtown PDX: https://tinyurl.com/y4buzf28 I've done that on a SuperSix with 23mm tires . Fire Lane 5 is a popular ride for road bikers. https://tinyurl.com/y22hbe73

With that said, merely because you can do something on 23mm tires doesn't mean you should or that it's the best. You have to pick your way downhill or get beaten to death descending on skinny tires. I much prefer riding my CX bike or gravel bike with big, low-pressure tires descending rocky/muddy trail.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 10:26:55 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:

Famous Person riding along, thinking, "What. me worry?"

https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...mmit_2003f.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
..
"How grand to get away from the bickering on RBT."
..
Andre Jute
And then he stopped and whipped his laptop out of his saddlebag... -- Alfred E. Neumann

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 2:44:11 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 6:16:34 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 16:00:17 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:26:55 p.m. UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/27/2020 3:39 PM, James wrote:
On 28/11/20 4:50 am, Tom Kunich wrote:


One of he bad things about bikes today is that you
hesitate to ride
them in gravel because f the impending damage to the
expensive
frameset.
There is a huge range of frames available over the spectrum
of price and weight. If people use "impending damage to the
expensive frameset" as an excuse not to ride their bicycle
on a smooth gravel road, they don't really want to ride on a
gravel road, otherwise they'd buy a cheaper and more robust
frame that they don't have to worry about.

Famous Person riding along, thinking, "What. me worry?"

https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...mmit_2003f.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Righto! Jobst rode his road bicycle on some pretty challenging stuff and the road in that image is pretty tame compared to some of the stuff he rode on.

Cheers
There is a photo of what appears to be he and his yellow bicycle on
some rather challenging terrain. See
https://rayhosler.files.wordpress.co...dyhill1987.jpg
--
Cheers,

John B.
Pfff. Road biking near downtown PDX: https://tinyurl.com/y4buzf28 I've done that on a SuperSix with 23mm tires . Fire Lane 5 is a popular ride for road bikers. https://tinyurl.com/y22hbe73

With that said, merely because you can do something on 23mm tires doesn't mean you should or that it's the best. You have to pick your way downhill or get beaten to death descending on skinny tires. I much prefer riding my CX bike or gravel bike with big, low-pressure tires descending rocky/muddy trail.

-- Jay Beattie.

True, but for Jobst the mud parted so that he could lead those early Californian cycling demigods through.

Andre Jute
First comes anecdote, then it becomes myth, then history.