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Excellent news for the anti-doping hunters. Their tireless efforts are
beginning to have effects. The german research bureau IFM has calculated that international TV viewing figures for cycling races have dropped 47 % within a year.The main victim was the Ronde van Vlaanderen (77 %). According to the bureau, it means that the commercial value of cycling dropped 52 % since last season, a trend which will continue in the next few month. The main reason? Doping scandals, like Floyd Landis in the Tour, the operation Puerto, etc. Well done, mister Pound and friends! Just another little effort and cycling is saved! Benjo |
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benjo maso wrote:
Excellent news for the anti-doping hunters. Their tireless efforts are beginning to have effects. The german research bureau IFM has calculated that international TV viewing figures for cycling races have dropped 47 % within a year.The main victim was the Ronde van Vlaanderen (77 %). According to the bureau, it means that the commercial value of cycling dropped 52 % since last season, a trend which will continue in the next few month. The main reason? Doping scandals, like Floyd Landis in the Tour, the operation Puerto, etc. Well done, mister Pound and friends! Just another little effort and cycling is saved! Benjo AFAIK, it has not hurt American football or baseball. Obviously I have no way to know how this plays out on European TV, or how you draw cause and effect. Maybe they're all mesmerized by the election in France. Best, Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 |
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"benjo maso" wrote: Excellent news for the anti-doping hunters. Their tireless efforts are beginning to have effects. The german research bureau IFM has calculated that international TV viewing figures for cycling races have dropped 47 % within a year.The main victim was the Ronde van Vlaanderen (77 %). According to the bureau, it means that the commercial value of cycling dropped 52 % since last season, a trend which will continue in the next few month. The main reason? Doping scandals, like Floyd Landis in the Tour, the operation Puerto, etc. Well done, mister Pound and friends! Just another little effort and cycling is saved! Hey Benjo: I'll be a fan of pro cycling right down to the point when it devolves to Cat 1s racing industrial park criteriums for a pair of nice sunglasses. But I've realized that my true enjoyment of the sport comes from being a participant, a volunteer, a follower of local amateurs, and the go-to guy in my club for bizarre mechanical concepts. I think this is a major difference in how cycling works in North America and Europe. Here, it's almost entirely a participant sport, plus a remnant of spectators who watch the Tour post-Lance. In Europe, it's totally normal to be a cycling fan who doesn't have any interest in actually riding other than a shopping bike to the market. In a way, this makes North American cycling a little more robust: as the Euro pro circuit rips itself apart over a combination of power politics and doping scandals that now seem to be a witch hunt featuring actual witches, the effects on this side of the water are peripheral at best. Meanwhile, the growth of local grassroots cycling is so vigorous that the big complaints are the field sizes. If present trends continue, we will probably have to split the Cat 4 and Cat 5 fields, which have traditionally raced as a 4/5 pack in almost all local races. Either that, or field limits. I don't think the quantity of amateur bike racing is quite where it is in Europe yet, but amateurism has a lot to recommend it. I'm cheering for Krabbé, -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos |
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On Apr 28, 11:23 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
wrote: benjo maso wrote: Excellent news for the anti-doping hunters. Their tireless efforts are beginning to have effects. The german research bureau IFM has calculated that international TV viewing figures for cycling races have dropped 47 % within a year.The main victim was the Ronde van Vlaanderen (77 %). According to the bureau, it means that the commercial value of cycling dropped 52 % since last season, a trend which will continue in the next few month. The main reason? Doping scandals, like Floyd Landis in the Tour, the operation Puerto, etc. Well done, mister Pound and friends! Just another little effort and cycling is saved! Benjo AFAIK, it has not hurt American football or baseball. Obviously I have no way to know how this plays out on European TV, or how you draw cause and effect. Maybe they're all mesmerized by the election in France. Best, Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDShttp://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey Steve I don't think you can even begin to compare the way US pro sports have treated doping and the disaster that is being inflicted on cycling. It's just a brutal constant drumbeat that they are ALL doping scumbags that we haven't caught yet. If you repeat any lie loud enough and long enough people beging to believe it. Then when you add in some truth and grandstanding politicians and wannabe politicians it turns into a total disaster. With the fanbase and television ratings shrinking drastically the sponsors are going to start pulling out and it's due IMO to the crusade, and I mean that word in it's nastiest sense, by Pound in particular and a handful of overzealous prosecutors. There's been more tabloid type smearing and garbage for less results in cycling than in anything but the Duke rape case. Personally I think Pound wants to kill cycling totally. If he was serious about doping overall he'd be raising just as much stink to get the soccer players who were implicated in Puerto. Notice he hasn't gone off the deep end about soccer in any way. Bill C |
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"benjo maso" wrote in
: Excellent news for the anti-doping hunters. Their tireless efforts are beginning to have effects. The german research bureau IFM has calculated that international TV viewing figures for cycling races have dropped 47 % within a year.The main victim was the Ronde van Vlaanderen (77 %). According to the bureau, it means that the commercial value of cycling dropped 52 % since last season, a trend which will continue in the next few month. The main reason? Doping scandals, like Floyd Landis in the Tour, the operation Puerto, etc. Well done, mister Pound and friends! Just another little effort and cycling is saved! This is also excellent news for the cycling fans that remain. It means that Dick Pound is going to have to find another target for his crusade because he won't get much press coverage for busting more cyclists. So now that he has perfected his "methods", he can move on to a bigger, more high profile target. Look out, soccer! Bad news in the short term for riders, because this should mean lower sponsorship dollars available for a while. But things will return to normal soon enough, and with Pound focusing on a bigger target he won't have time to come back after the little fish. NS WADA strategic planning office |
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With the fanbase and television ratings shrinking drastically the sponsors are going to start pulling out and it's due IMO to the crusade, and I mean that word in it's nastiest sense, by Pound in particular and a handful of overzealous prosecutors. There's been more tabloid type smearing and garbage for less results in cycling than in anything but the Duke rape case. Personally I think Pound wants to kill cycling totally. If he was serious about doping overall he'd be raising just as much stink to get the soccer players who were implicated in Puerto. Notice he hasn't gone off the deep end about soccer in any way. And the UCI is committing hara-kiri by cooperating in the hatchet job. |
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On Apr 28, 1:52 pm, Bill C wrote:
Hey Steve I don't think you can even begin to compare the way US pro sports have treated doping and the disaster that is being inflicted on cycling. It's just a brutal constant drumbeat that they are ALL doping scumbags that we haven't caught yet. If you repeat any lie loud enough and long enough people beging to believe it. dumbass, the situation doesn't change because you and the other jock-sniffers like benjo are so eager to coddle the athletes. the doping problem is self-inflicted, cycling is a sport that apparently can't take care of itself and made the concious decision to become WADA compliant at a time when the many of the big stars depended doping. i wouldn't call them scumbags -- they are just doing what is considered customary in their profession. even a boy scout with lean palmares like andreu admitted to using EPO. it's not a case or lies and unjust practices like you keep crying about. puerto uncovered all the cicumstantial evidence of doping. payments, photos, bags of blood. so there was no doubt in my mind that the ullrich dna would come back a match. With the fanbase and television ratings shrinking drastically the sponsors are going to start pulling out and it's due IMO to the crusade, and I mean that word in it's nastiest sense, by Pound in particular and a handful of overzealous prosecutors. There's been more tabloid type smearing and garbage for less results in cycling than in anything but the Duke rape case. except all the doping cases are catching guilty riders. except in the case of puerto it didn't yield one of three ways a rider can be declared guilty : positve tests, admission or guilt or posession of doping substances. you are saying those who are fighting doping should stop because the negative publicity is affecting the sport... well yeah, and the SEC inestigating Enron hurt investor confidence, because it should. |
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On Apr 28, 3:18 pm, "
wrote: On Apr 28, 1:52 pm, Bill C wrote: Hey Steve I don't think you can even begin to compare the way US pro sports have treated doping and the disaster that is being inflicted on cycling. It's just a brutal constant drumbeat that they are ALL doping scumbags that we haven't caught yet. If you repeat any lie loud enough and long enough people beging to believe it. dumbass, the situation doesn't change because you and the other jock-sniffers like benjo are so eager to coddle the athletes. the doping problem is self-inflicted, cycling is a sport that apparently can't take care of itself and made the concious decision to become WADA compliant at a time when the many of the big stars depended doping. i wouldn't call them scumbags -- they are just doing what is considered customary in their profession. even a boy scout with lean palmares like andreu admitted to using EPO. it's not a case or lies and unjust practices like you keep crying about. puerto uncovered all the cicumstantial evidence of doping. payments, photos, bags of blood. so there was no doubt in my mind that the ullrich dna would come back a match. With the fanbase and television ratings shrinking drastically the sponsors are going to start pulling out and it's due IMO to the crusade, and I mean that word in it's nastiest sense, by Pound in particular and a handful of overzealous prosecutors. There's been more tabloid type smearing and garbage for less results in cycling than in anything but the Duke rape case. except all the doping cases are catching guilty riders. except in the case of puerto it didn't yield one of three ways a rider can be declared guilty : positve tests, admission or guilt or posession of doping substances. you are saying those who are fighting doping should stop because the negative publicity is affecting the sport... well yeah, and the SEC inestigating Enron hurt investor confidence, because it should. How about actually proving something. Yeah, out of all the Puerto mess they got Ullrich. Nice. You could just as easily use your arguments to defend selectively prosecuting minorities, racial profiling, etc... Injustice and selective enforcement, along with attacks based around stereotypes being promoted by those in authority are garbage and I'm shocked that you are arguing in favor of them. Bill C |
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On Apr 28, 3:29 pm, Bill C wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:18 pm, " wrote: On Apr 28, 1:52 pm, Bill C wrote: Hey Steve I don't think you can even begin to compare the way US pro sports have treated doping and the disaster that is being inflicted on cycling. It's just a brutal constant drumbeat that they are ALL doping scumbags that we haven't caught yet. If you repeat any lie loud enough and long enough people beging to believe it. dumbass, the situation doesn't change because you and the other jock-sniffers like benjo are so eager to coddle the athletes. the doping problem is self-inflicted, cycling is a sport that apparently can't take care of itself and made the concious decision to become WADA compliant at a time when the many of the big stars depended doping. i wouldn't call them scumbags -- they are just doing what is considered customary in their profession. even a boy scout with lean palmares like andreu admitted to using EPO. it's not a case or lies and unjust practices like you keep crying about. puerto uncovered all the cicumstantial evidence of doping. payments, photos, bags of blood. so there was no doubt in my mind that the ullrich dna would come back a match. With the fanbase and television ratings shrinking drastically the sponsors are going to start pulling out and it's due IMO to the crusade, and I mean that word in it's nastiest sense, by Pound in particular and a handful of overzealous prosecutors. There's been more tabloid type smearing and garbage for less results in cycling than in anything but the Duke rape case. except all the doping cases are catching guilty riders. except in the case of puerto it didn't yield one of three ways a rider can be declared guilty : positve tests, admission or guilt or posession of doping substances. you are saying those who are fighting doping should stop because the negative publicity is affecting the sport... well yeah, and the SEC inestigating Enron hurt investor confidence, because it should. How about actually proving something. Yeah, out of all the Puerto mess they got Ullrich. Nice. You could just as easily use your arguments to defend selectively prosecuting minorities, racial profiling, etc... Injustice and selective enforcement, along with attacks based around stereotypes being promoted by those in authority are garbage and I'm shocked that you are arguing in favor of them. Bill C dumbass, a fundamental problem in your conceptualization is that you cannot distinguish between the criminal justice system and the system for enforcing the rules of the sport. the criminal cases arising from OP was stopped dead because it was determined that the actions were not considered to be aganst spanish law. but if anyone looks at the evidence it is clear that many of the named riders were doping. but cheating in cycling isn't against the LAW, so that case will never be built. if one were to examine the evidence of each case by case you would have a solid case for almost all of the named riders. sure, some rider's names were thrown into the mix just because they were in fuentes' rolodex, but for most of the named riders there is solid evidence that they were communicating with fuentes, visiting his clinic and paying him for doping services. that is why no one was the least bit surprised that ullrich's dna matched the madrid blood bags. unfortunately the puerto evidence cannot be used to sanction a rider unless you can: get them to admit to doping, find them positive or actually catch them with a trunkful of drugs. so by your reckoning the '98 festina riders, millar or rumsas should also not be sanctioned, since those riders never tested positve or actually had drugs in their possession. in these cases riders can always resort to absurd arguments like : "storing my blood in an apartment in madrid doesn't indicate an intention to cheat" or "the trunkful of EPO is for my mother-in-law" and a large percetnage of cycling fans actually buy it. that is why observers are cynical (though, the proposed revisions to the WADA code would change this). |
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On Apr 28, 5:44 pm, "
wrote: On Apr 28, 3:29 pm, Bill C wrote: On Apr 28, 3:18 pm, " wrote: On Apr 28, 1:52 pm, Bill C wrote: Hey Steve I don't think you can even begin to compare the way US pro sports have treated doping and the disaster that is being inflicted on cycling. It's just a brutal constant drumbeat that they are ALL doping scumbags that we haven't caught yet. If you repeat any lie loud enough and long enough people beging to believe it. dumbass, the situation doesn't change because you and the other jock-sniffers like benjo are so eager to coddle the athletes. the doping problem is self-inflicted, cycling is a sport that apparently can't take care of itself and made the concious decision to become WADA compliant at a time when the many of the big stars depended doping. i wouldn't call them scumbags -- they are just doing what is considered customary in their profession. even a boy scout with lean palmares like andreu admitted to using EPO. it's not a case or lies and unjust practices like you keep crying about. puerto uncovered all the cicumstantial evidence of doping. payments, photos, bags of blood. so there was no doubt in my mind that the ullrich dna would come back a match. With the fanbase and television ratings shrinking drastically the sponsors are going to start pulling out and it's due IMO to the crusade, and I mean that word in it's nastiest sense, by Pound in particular and a handful of overzealous prosecutors. There's been more tabloid type smearing and garbage for less results in cycling than in anything but the Duke rape case. except all the doping cases are catching guilty riders. except in the case of puerto it didn't yield one of three ways a rider can be declared guilty : positve tests, admission or guilt or posession of doping substances. you are saying those who are fighting doping should stop because the negative publicity is affecting the sport... well yeah, and the SEC inestigating Enron hurt investor confidence, because it should. How about actually proving something. Yeah, out of all the Puerto mess they got Ullrich. Nice. You could just as easily use your arguments to defend selectively prosecuting minorities, racial profiling, etc... Injustice and selective enforcement, along with attacks based around stereotypes being promoted by those in authority are garbage and I'm shocked that you are arguing in favor of them. Bill C dumbass, a fundamental problem in your conceptualization is that you cannot distinguish between the criminal justice system and the system for enforcing the rules of the sport. the criminal cases arising from OP was stopped dead because it was determined that the actions were not considered to be aganst spanish law. but if anyone looks at the evidence it is clear that many of the named riders were doping. but cheating in cycling isn't against the LAW, so that case will never be built. if one were to examine the evidence of each case by case you would have a solid case for almost all of the named riders. sure, some rider's names were thrown into the mix just because they were in fuentes' rolodex, but for most of the named riders there is solid evidence that they were communicating with fuentes, visiting his clinic and paying him for doping services. that is why no one was the least bit surprised that ullrich's dna matched the madrid blood bags. unfortunately the puerto evidence cannot be used to sanction a rider unless you can: get them to admit to doping, find them positive or actually catch them with a trunkful of drugs. so by your reckoning the '98 festina riders, millar or rumsas should also not be sanctioned, since those riders never tested positve or actually had drugs in their possession. in these cases riders can always resort to absurd arguments like : "storing my blood in an apartment in madrid doesn't indicate an intention to cheat" or "the trunkful of EPO is for my mother-in-law" and a large percetnage of cycling fans actually buy it. that is why observers are cynical (though, the proposed revisions to the WADA code would change this).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So the core of your argument is that the standard for destroying someone's life and career should be much lower for, say, taking cold medicine, and the penalty greater than a first time offense for heroin or cocaine which usually just gets you probation and community service but leaves you employed and NOT ripped in the world wide press? I think destroying a career is much worse than a court deciding to give a person a chance, for a criminal violation with a "continued without a finding", or similar decision which is common. The peanalties imposed upon riders would NEVER be imposed in a court, and that's based on US courts who are in a "Drug War". Bill C |
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