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On 8 Nov 2005 13:57:14 -0800, "Vee" wrote:
Imagine placing this burden on a $6/hr clerk at Walmart. So they have to hire someone with actual brains for a change. How is this bad? Jasper |
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Jasper Janssen wrote:
On 8 Nov 2005 13:57:14 -0800, "Vee" wrote: Imagine placing this burden on a $6/hr clerk at Walmart. So they have to hire someone with actual brains for a change. How is this bad? To hire people with actual brains, they would have to offer actual pay and actual benefits. Next thing you know, these braniac employees would form a union and destroy poor, defenseless Walmart from within. You must hate America to even suggest such a thing. The more realistic solution is to stop selling bikes with QR's, as someone else suggested. -Vee |
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In article , adr5
@columbia.edu says... In article .com, says... Yes I'm sure you could. We were talking about kids who buy their bikes at walmart.... You or I and the story is different. Agreed. The staff should be requred to leave instructions on the wheel and show the parents how to operate the QR before they walk out of the store. Make each parent sign a statement saying they were instructed in the proper use of a QR would be a good idea. Thinking back on my bike shop days, there were some customers who could be shown a dozen times how to use a quick release, but the next time they came in to have me fix a flat, sure enough, it's a wing-nut again, screwed down finger-tight in the open position. Saying the quick release isn't intuitive is far too mild: some people simple won't get it no matter how many times they're shown. We even had one of those chrome Bridgestone Q/R demonstration stands, we'd show people how the things worked and make them do it, too. But they'd come back a week later using it like a wingnut. I did convince some of them to switch to threaded skewers, but others just really liked the convenience of wing nuts.... -- is Joshua Putnam http://www.phred.org/~josh/ Books for Bicycle Mechanics and Tinkerers: http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikebooks.html |
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Vee wrote:
Jasper Janssen wrote: On 8 Nov 2005 13:57:14 -0800, "Vee" wrote: Imagine placing this burden on a $6/hr clerk at Walmart. So they have to hire someone with actual brains for a change. How is this bad? To hire people with actual brains, they would have to offer actual pay and actual benefits. Next thing you know, these braniac employees would form a union and destroy poor, defenseless Walmart from within. You must hate America to even suggest such a thing. The more realistic solution is to stop selling bikes with QR's, as someone else suggested. Thank goodness the disc-brakes on bikes that Walmart sells don't work. Imagine the lawsuits from wheel ejection then! -- Phil, Squid-in-Training |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote:
In article . com, says... Do you read warning labels (such as instructions on the wheel or QR lever)? Have you tried demonstrating QR operation to people? There is no way to guaranty that somebody understands QR operation without forcing them to secure the wheel right in front of you. That can be awkward, time-consuming, and sometimes patronizing. "Wheels not straight... you didn't hook the brake up right... lever's not tight enough..." Imagine placing this burden on a $6/hr clerk at Walmart. Take your pick $6/hr clerk spends 1 hour with customer or $6million lawsuit plus lawyer costs. ---------------- Alex Yes, imagine a $6/hr clerk spending an hour with a customer. Imagine how effective and pleasant that would be. Besides, how long does it take Walmart to sell a million bikes, thus exceeding the cost of the lawsuit that probably won't be avoided anyways? -Vee |
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I don't know, I've seen people tighten down quick-releases by using the lever as leverage to screw it down -- like a wrench handle, they had no idea you had to close it to tighten it down! And these were adults!! Me too. I was even on a mountain bike ride once where a bike near me was making noises - turned out the wheel wasn't even tightened. The fellow was counting on the lips to hold it on. Another reason to file them off. |
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(PeteCresswell) wrote: Per : I drink _tea_. That one made my Keepers file. I have a lot of silly, off-point stuff in mine too. If it makes me laugh, it goes in the stupid file. If it makes me laugh and is relevant it goes with the other legit stuff. |
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(PeteCresswell) wrote: Per Bruce Gilbert: One of my riding buddies (about 50 years of racing) had a crack up one morning. He failed to adequately tighten the QR on his rear wheel.... My point here is that these sort of accidents can and do happen. I've never had an accident. I'm still trying to train myself to check QR tension before getting on the bike. I do it sometimes and when I remember that I forgot, I stop and do it right then and there. Having said that, one day I pulled the bike off the carrier on the back of my car, got on it, and rode off: no check. First time I applied the front brake it felt funny. Turned out front skewer was *really* loose - i.e. just a little more and the wheel would have come out. As it was, the lawyer lips probably saved me. [snip] Or maybe the "lips" contributed to the accident. I have noticed that the lips keep the wheel on even when they aren't adequately tightened. That's the point of them. I don't think that's a good thing. I think you would have noticed a problem if the "lips" had been filed off. You would have arrived at your destination without your front wheel. Or more likely, you would have noticed the problem when the wheel feel off while you were loading the bike. |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:00:36 GMT, SriBikeJi wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote: Having said that, one day I pulled the bike off the carrier on the back of my car, got on it, and rode off: no check. First time I applied the front brake it felt funny. Turned out front skewer was *really* loose - i.e. just a little more and the wheel would have come out. As it was, the lawyer lips probably saved me. [snip] Or maybe the "lips" contributed to the accident. I have noticed that the lips keep the wheel on even when they aren't adequately tightened. That's the point of them. I don't think that's a good thing. I think you would have noticed a problem if the "lips" had been filed off. You would have arrived at your destination without your front wheel. Or more likely, you would have noticed the problem when the wheel feel off while you were loading the bike. You're making unwarranted assumptions, to wit: that the QR was loose when the bike was loaded, and it didn't happen from vibration from the road; that the QR was fully undone while unloading, when it could have been just partially undone and gone the rest of the way while riding; that thus the wheel would in fact have fallen off without lawyer lips before he got on the bike. Jasper |
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