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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
Chalo wrote:
On Mar 13, 1:56 pm, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Mar 13, 2:43 pm, AMuzi wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Mar 13, 2:12 pm, AMuzi wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: Hi there. I replaced my Columbus SL Miele with the cracked top tube with another Columbus SL Miele frame that's a different colour. This frame didn't come with a front fork but that's okay because the other one is in perfect shape. When I took the fork off of the other frame I noticed that the fork was chrome plated at the fork ends and that the chrome plating extended up to and part way along the steerer tube. This is great *IF* I can get the lavender paint and the primer off without harming or discolouring the underlying chrome plating. I very carefully scraped a bit of the paint and primer off a small section of the fork. It is definitely bright chrome under the paint and primer. I have some Circa 1851 Paint Stripper that has worked very well to remove paint from frames that I had repainted. Do any of you know for sure if this Circa 1851 paint stripper would be safe to use to strip away the paint and primer and not harm or discolour the underlying chrome? Otherwise, what would be a good way to strip the paint and primer without causing any damage or discolouration of the underlying chrome? No need to strip, which brigs in chrome prep issues. Wash it well, solvent rinse, wet sand, then shoot primer-sealer, wetsand followed by your color right over that finish. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Hi Andrew. I *WANT TO STRIP THE PAINT AND PRIMER SO THAT THE CHROME IS VISIBLE AND LEAVE THE FORKS WITH THE CHROME FINISH* insteadof buying a new chrome plated fork. I do not intend to paint this fork. Thanks and cheers Oh, sorry. In that case, yes, methylated strippers work much better. *NB - Anything effective is quite painful to skin or eyes.* After stripping, wash well with soap or detergent, rinse well and then a chrome polish which includes a wax. Hi Andrew and the otherswho took the time to help me with this. Thanks very much. The weather here has turned very mild and I'll strip the paint off tomorrow. I'll be very sure to give the stripped forks a complete rinse to remove any stripper residue. You people are super and your helpfull advice is greatly appreciated by me. In the past, I've had much better luck stripping Dupont Imron off bike frames by using aerosol "aircraft stripper" from the auto parts store than by using gel brush-on paint stripper from the hardware store. And like everyone else says, don't get it on you. I'll add that you should have a supply of fresh water ready to go in case you do get some on you. Chalo Much agreed. Mar-Hyde Aircraft Stripper rocks. Nothing else (except maybe DuPont 5662) works as well. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
On Mar 13, 4:33*pm, AMuzi wrote:
Chalo wrote: On Mar 13, 1:56 pm, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Mar 13, 2:43 pm, AMuzi wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Mar 13, 2:12 pm, AMuzi wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: Hi there. I replaced my Columbus SL Miele with the cracked top tube with another Columbus SL Miele frame that's a different colour. This frame didn't come with a front fork but that's okay because the other one is in perfect shape. When I took the fork off of the other frame I noticed that the fork was chrome plated at the fork ends and that the chrome plating extended up to and part way along the steerer tube. This is great *IF* I can get the lavender paint and the primer off without harming or discolouring the underlying chrome plating. I very carefully scraped a bit of the paint and primer off a small section of the fork. It is definitely bright chrome under the paint and primer. I have some Circa 1851 Paint Stripper that has worked very well to remove paint from frames that I had repainted. Do any of you know for sure if this Circa 1851 paint stripper would be safe to use to strip away the paint and primer and not harm or discolour the underlying chrome? Otherwise, what would be a good way to strip the paint and primer without causing any damage or discolouration of the underlying chrome? No need to strip, which brigs in chrome prep issues. Wash it well, solvent rinse, wet sand, then shoot primer-sealer, wetsand followed by your color right over that finish. -- Andrew Muzi * www.yellowjersey.org/ * Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Hi Andrew. I *WANT TO STRIP THE PAINT AND PRIMER SO THAT THE CHROME IS VISIBLE AND LEAVE THE FORKS WITH THE CHROME FINISH* insteadof buying a new chrome plated fork. I do not intend to paint this fork. Thanks and cheers Oh, sorry. In that case, yes, methylated strippers work much better. *NB - Anything effective is quite painful to skin or eyes.* After stripping, wash well with soap or detergent, rinse well and then a chrome polish which includes a wax. Hi Andrew and the otherswho took the time to help me with this. Thanks very much. The weather here has turned very mild and I'll strip the paint off tomorrow. I'll be very sure to give the stripped forks a complete rinse to remove any stripper residue. You people are super and your helpfull advice is greatly appreciated by me. In the past, I've had much better luck stripping Dupont Imron off bike frames by using aerosol "aircraft stripper" from the auto parts store than by using gel brush-on paint stripper from the hardware store. And like everyone else says, don't get it on you. *I'll add that you should have a supply of fresh water ready to go in case you do get some on you. Chalo Much agreed. Mar-Hyde Aircraft Stripper rocks. Nothing else (except maybe DuPont 5662) works as well. -- Andrew Muzi * www.yellowjersey.org/ * Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Hi Andrew and Chalo. If I didn't already have the Circa 1850 paint stripper I'd definitely try the stuff you recommend. I have protective stuff I wear when I'm using this stripper. I'll be putting the front fork on a wad of paper and then simply fold up the entire mess when the stripping is done. I'll aso rinse the entire work area (outside of course) with water to besure no residue or splatters of stripper are left anywhere. Thanks again and cheers |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:33:17 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
Much agreed. Mar-Hyde Aircraft Stripper rocks. Nothing else (except maybe DuPont 5662) works as well. Ahem... Mar-Hyde Tal-Strip Aircraft Coating Remover goo is 60-100% methyl chloride. See the MSDS at: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSuUn_zu8l00xM8teOxmZ5v70k 17zHvu9lxtD7SSSSSS-- The rest is a cocktail of potions that look more like contaminants and reaction products than intentional ingredients. Well, maybe the propellant is real. I also don't like the idea of putting it in a spray can, which makes inhalation rather risky, especially indoors. Please be careful with this stuff. You have but one life to give for your hobby. I couldn't find anything called DuPont 5662 paint stripper. URL please? -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:33:17 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Much agreed. Mar-Hyde Aircraft Stripper rocks. Nothing else (except maybe DuPont 5662) works as well. Ahem... Mar-Hyde Tal-Strip Aircraft Coating Remover goo is 60-100% methyl chloride. See the MSDS at: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSuUn_zu8l00xM8teOxmZ5v70k 17zHvu9lxtD7SSSSSS-- The rest is a cocktail of potions that look more like contaminants and reaction products than intentional ingredients. Well, maybe the propellant is real. I also don't like the idea of putting it in a spray can, which makes inhalation rather risky, especially indoors. Please be careful with this stuff. You have but one life to give for your hobby. I couldn't find anything called DuPont 5662 paint stripper. URL please? I switched to Mar-Hyde Aircraft and quit the dip tank full of DuPont strip years ago. I don't see it listed now either: http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/...b/dr/home.html Which is too bad as it was amazingly quick and effective. overview of paint removal: http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/..._feature7.html p.s. To work well, a stripper needs to chemically change a range of primers and/or coatings in some non trivial way and yes that means a bunch of components you'd rather not have on your skin or eyes. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
On Mar 13, 4:33*pm, AMuzi wrote:
Chalo wrote: On Mar 13, 1:56 pm, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Mar 13, 2:43 pm, AMuzi wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Mar 13, 2:12 pm, AMuzi wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: Hi there. I replaced my Columbus SL Miele with the cracked top tube with another Columbus SL Miele frame that's a different colour. This frame didn't come with a front fork but that's okay because the other one is in perfect shape. When I took the fork off of the other frame I noticed that the fork was chrome plated at the fork ends and that the chrome plating extended up to and part way along the steerer tube. This is great *IF* I can get the lavender paint and the primer off without harming or discolouring the underlying chrome plating. I very carefully scraped a bit of the paint and primer off a small section of the fork. It is definitely bright chrome under the paint and primer. I have some Circa 1851 Paint Stripper that has worked very well to remove paint from frames that I had repainted. Do any of you know for sure if this Circa 1851 paint stripper would be safe to use to strip away the paint and primer and not harm or discolour the underlying chrome? Otherwise, what would be a good way to strip the paint and primer without causing any damage or discolouration of the underlying chrome? No need to strip, which brigs in chrome prep issues. Wash it well, solvent rinse, wet sand, then shoot primer-sealer, wetsand followed by your color right over that finish. -- Andrew Muzi * www.yellowjersey.org/ * Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Hi Andrew. I *WANT TO STRIP THE PAINT AND PRIMER SO THAT THE CHROME IS VISIBLE AND LEAVE THE FORKS WITH THE CHROME FINISH* insteadof buying a new chrome plated fork. I do not intend to paint this fork. Thanks and cheers Oh, sorry. In that case, yes, methylated strippers work much better. *NB - Anything effective is quite painful to skin or eyes.* After stripping, wash well with soap or detergent, rinse well and then a chrome polish which includes a wax. Hi Andrew and the otherswho took the time to help me with this. Thanks very much. The weather here has turned very mild and I'll strip the paint off tomorrow. I'll be very sure to give the stripped forks a complete rinse to remove any stripper residue. You people are super and your helpfull advice is greatly appreciated by me. In the past, I've had much better luck stripping Dupont Imron off bike frames by using aerosol "aircraft stripper" from the auto parts store than by using gel brush-on paint stripper from the hardware store. And like everyone else says, don't get it on you. *I'll add that you should have a supply of fresh water ready to go in case you do get some on you. Chalo Much agreed. Mar-Hyde Aircraft Stripper rocks. Nothing else (except maybe DuPont 5662) works as well. -- Andrew Muzi * www.yellowjersey.org/ * Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Hello again fellows. My Circa 1850 stripper was all gone so I read the ingrediants of the small can of Home Hardware's Gel Paint stripper I also had (but forgot I did) and saw that they were very similar to the Circa 1850 stuff. About 1/2 hour ago I finished washing and copiously rinsing the successfully stripped forks with very hot almost boiling water I usedmany gallons of rinse water to be positive I got all of the residue from the stipper off. I just need to touch up the black paint on the stem, bars and brake levers and the rebuild will be completely finished. Therefore I once again than and commend you all for your speedy, timely and very informative replies both to this topic and many others I've started. May the wind be at your back and your punctures few. Cheers |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
On Mar 13, 9:36*am, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there. I replaced my Columbus SL Miele with the cracked top tube with another Columbus SL Miele frame that's a different colour. This frame didn't come with a front fork but that's okay because the other one is in perfect shape. When I took the fork off of the other frame I noticed that the fork was chrome plated at the fork ends and that the chrome plating extended up to and part way along the steerer tube. This is great *IF* I can get the lavender paint and the primer off without harming or discolouring the underlying chrome plating. I very carefully scraped a bit of the paint and primer off a small section of the fork. It is definitely bright chrome under the paint and primer. I have some Circa 1851 Paint Stripper that has worked very well to remove paint from frames that I had repainted. Do any of you know for sure if this Circa 1851 paint stripper would be safe to use to strip away the paint and primer and not harm or discolour the underlying chrome? Otherwise, what would be a good way to strip the paint and primer without causing any damage or discolouration of the underlying chrome? Thanks and cheers This is very easy to do, just take a piece of sheet aluminum, about 1/16" - 1/8" thick and use it as you would an ice scraper on your windshield. Lewis ***** |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:47:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
I switched to Mar-Hyde Aircraft and quit the dip tank full of DuPont strip years ago. I don't see it listed now either: http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/...b/dr/home.html Which is too bad as it was amazingly quick and effective. overview of paint removal: http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/..._feature7.html p.s. To work well, a stripper needs to chemically change a range of primers and/or coatings in some non trivial way and yes that means a bunch of components you'd rather not have on your skin or eyes. Any idea what was in the DuPont stuff? (Just curious). The only things I would guess(tm) that might help is something to remove any grease from the surface, so something to help the small methyl chloride molecules can literally undermine the paint (surfactant?) and wreck the adhesion. Maybe some acetone to soften the paint layer. Since the primer is metallic (zinc chromate), maybe some acid to attack the primer. Dunno, I'm guessing. For your entertainment, methyl chloride is one of the methods of decaffeinating coffee. http://www.worldwidemart.com/choice/decaf01.html "Virtually no solvent residue remains after roasting the beans." Yeah, sure. That's enough to make me switch back to the high octane stuff. Also, note that the EPA considers methyl chloride a cancer risk when inhaled: http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/methylen.html -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:47:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote: I switched to Mar-Hyde Aircraft and quit the dip tank full of DuPont strip years ago. I don't see it listed now either: http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/...b/dr/home.html Which is too bad as it was amazingly quick and effective. overview of paint removal: http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/..._feature7.html p.s. To work well, a stripper needs to chemically change a range of primers and/or coatings in some non trivial way and yes that means a bunch of components you'd rather not have on your skin or eyes. Any idea what was in the DuPont stuff? (Just curious). The only things I would guess(tm) that might help is something to remove any grease from the surface, so something to help the small methyl chloride molecules can literally undermine the paint (surfactant?) and wreck the adhesion. Maybe some acetone to soften the paint layer. Since the primer is metallic (zinc chromate), maybe some acid to attack the primer. Dunno, I'm guessing. For your entertainment, methyl chloride is one of the methods of decaffeinating coffee. http://www.worldwidemart.com/choice/decaf01.html "Virtually no solvent residue remains after roasting the beans." Yeah, sure. That's enough to make me switch back to the high octane stuff. Also, note that the EPA considers methyl chloride a cancer risk when inhaled: http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/methylen.html I don't recall the MSD but methyl somethings. Strippers work first and best where there are scratches, even small ones, which blister up allowing penetration under the surface. Topcoats often fall off in sheets once the primer lifts. http://www.yellowjersey.org/bot12a.jpg Washing before stripping to remove wax and oils helps. Also nicking any graphics and the nice shiny spots where there were stickers with a few passes of a blade so the stripper reacts with the primer. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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How 2 Strip Paint from Chrome Front Fork?
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:34:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
I don't recall the MSD but methyl somethings. MEK (methyl ethyl keytone). Used to soften the paint so that the methyl chloride can sneak under it. Usually used with acetone, methanol, and other chlorinated hydrocarbon solvents. More nasty stuff. There is also a paint stripper that uses just these and no methyl chloride: http://www.starten.com Also benzyl alcohol: http://www.flexisolv.com/en/applications/paint-strippers.html No experience with how these function on bicycle paint. Strippers work first and best where there are scratches, even small ones, which blister up allowing penetration under the surface. Topcoats often fall off in sheets once the primer lifts. Yep, that's the way it works. The stripper softens the paint, which expands, blisters, and seperates from the underlying layers of primer or base metal. It has to have a point of entry between the paint layers and the primer or base metal in order to work. I was told to use rough sandpaper to gouge groves into the paint before applying the stripper. It seems to speed up the reaction. http://www.yellowjersey.org/bot12a.jpg Yech. Messy. I guess sandblasting is not an alternative. Washing before stripping to remove wax and oils helps. Also nicking any graphics and the nice shiny spots where there were stickers with a few passes of a blade so the stripper reacts with the primer. -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS |
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