Your chance to question Martlew via the BBC

Hi folks,

Your chance to counter the misleading claims of 'Be-Hit' and the Martlew bill...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...nt/3623089.stm

Hi folks,

Your chance to counter the misleading claims of 'Be-Hit' and the Martlew
bill...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...nt/3623089.stm

Rather than just bombard them with our views, which will probably just get
lost in the morass of ill-formed opinion, I suggest lobbying them to suggest
they ask Mr Chapman for his views on the subject.

Assuming Mr Chapman is OK with that.

d.

davek wrote:

Rather than just bombard them with our views, which will probably
just get lost in the morass of ill-formed opinion, I suggest lobbying
them to suggest they ask Mr Chapman for his views on the subject.

Assuming Mr Chapman is OK with that.

Of course - but you might prefer to recommend Mr Franklin or Mr Geffen.

Guy

On 15 Apr 2004 02:29:26 -0700, (Howard)
wrote in message :

Your chance to counter the misleading claims of 'Be-Hit' and the Martlew bill...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...nt/3623089.stm

I seem to be blacklisted from Have Your Say due to pointing out too
many factual errors, but replied anyway:

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According to Ian (UK) anyone who reads the conflicting evidence on
helmets and concludes that the case is not made is not making an
"informed choice" but anyone who believes the scaremongering and dodgy
statistics used to promte helmets, is.

I wonder if he was aware when making his "informed choice" that helmet
use is associated worldwide with higher injury rates? Or is that the
wrong sort of information? Perhaps the recent report on helmets
worsening torsional forces leading to the worst kind of brain injuries
was also the wrong kind of information. But the report which
concludes that helmets are the reason white middle class children on
bike paths suffer fewer injuries than poor black children riding on
roads, well, that would be the right kind of information, obviously.
46,000 die annually from physical inactivity - wrong sort of
information. Ten child deaths annually due to cycling head injuries -
wrong sort of information. Helmet compulsion would save the NHS £2bn
annually (1/3 more than it spends on all treatments for children) -
right sort of information.

It's a tricky business, this making of informed choices. Even the
Government is ill-informed - it says it knows of no case where cyclist
safety has improved with increasing helmet use. No wonder the British
Medical Association are so ill-informed that they oppose compulsion.
As do the Royal College of General Practitioners. And the Association
of Cycle Traders (who sell the things). And British Cycling. And the
National Cycling Strategy Board. And the main UK cycling
organisation, CTC.

--
Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote
I seem to be blacklisted from Have Your Say due to pointing out too
many factual errors, but replied anyway:

I can't imagine anyone choosing to blacklist you ;-). They're probably all
terrified of you by now!

snip - painful sarcasm

If you recieve a reply, please forward it... have you ever considered
working for the Today program?

Jon

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On 15 Apr 2004 02:29:26 -0700, (Howard)
wrote in message :


Your chance to counter the misleading claims of 'Be-Hit' and the Martlew bill...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...nt/3623089.stm


I seem to be blacklisted from Have Your Say due to pointing out too
many factual errors, but replied anyway:

[snip]
:-) Good effort!

Simon

"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message . ..

According to Ian (UK) anyone who reads the conflicting evidence on
helmets and concludes that the case is not made is not making an
"informed choice" but anyone who believes the scaremongering and dodgy
statistics used to promte helmets, is.

I think the predictably ill-informed "Ian, UK" must have been using
one of those irregular verbs: I make an informed choice, you are
persuaded, he follows the herd.

I'm waiting to see whether my own contribution is selected. I wanted
to ask Martlew why he is proposing a law that would inevitably shorten
vastly greater numbers of lives than it could ever hope to save. I see
Richard Burton got in. Well done that man.

--
Dave...

Dave Kahn wrote:
I see Richard Burton got in. Well done that man.

Yep, Clive George is there, too.

--
Guy
===
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

"Dave Kahn" wrote in message
om...
"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
. ..


I'm waiting to see whether my own contribution is selected. I wanted
to ask Martlew why he is proposing a law that would inevitably shorten
vastly greater numbers of lives than it could ever hope to save. I see
Richard Burton got in. Well done that man.

Thanks. I'm somewhat surprised that they selected my comment from the
hundreds they must have received. On the other hand, I can't get the local
paper (Bristol Evening Post) to publish a letter pointing out the errors and
omissions in their article about Ar' Eric and 'is Bill.

cheers

Rich
--
Dave...

"burt" wrote in message
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"Dave Kahn" wrote in message
om...
"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
. ..


I'm waiting to see whether my own contribution is selected. I wanted
to ask Martlew why he is proposing a law that would inevitably shorten
vastly greater numbers of lives than it could ever hope to save. I see
Richard Burton got in. Well done that man.

Thanks. I'm somewhat surprised that they selected my comment from the
hundreds they must have received. On the other hand, I can't get the
local
paper (Bristol Evening Post) to publish a letter pointing out the errors
and
omissions in their article about Ar' Eric and 'is Bill.

I take it back, they published it yesterday, only three weeks after I first
submitted it.

cheers

Rich
--
Dave...