Safe cycling on Chicago bike path

https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd
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Andrew Muzi
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On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

And Chicago being the realm of Democrats, the perpetrator isn't likely to be arrested unless he's the son of somehow really important.

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wow, broad daylight, no less.

There is a move afoot to put in a bike trail along the existing rail line going from Watsonville to Santa Cruz (about 12 miles).
I fear there will be plenty of illicit activity along the trail if and when it comes to pass. The trail will afford remoteness and cover for those wishing to waylay others.
It will pass by lots of backyards giving our local property redistribution specialists an easy way to assess potential 'donors' and afford an easy, speedy means of egress.

Guess my cynicism is got a pretty good hold on me at the moment.

I think a lot of the troubles I'm nervous about actually do go on up on the Sacramento American River Bike trail. (I confess I don't keep track of the Sac. happenings, though)

Anyway, hope the perpetrator is caught and the victim makes a full recovery.

pH in Aptos

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 2:15:16 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:

For some, typing 'ho' brings up the autodialer...

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Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Heh-heh. -- AJ

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 8:12:40 PM UTC-8, pH wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wow, broad daylight, no less.

There is a move afoot to put in a bike trail along the existing rail line going from Watsonville to Santa Cruz (about 12 miles).
I fear there will be plenty of illicit activity along the trail if and when it comes to pass. The trail will afford remoteness and cover for those wishing to waylay others.
It will pass by lots of backyards giving our local property redistribution specialists an easy way to assess potential 'donors' and afford an easy, speedy means of egress.

Guess my cynicism is got a pretty good hold on me at the moment.

I think a lot of the troubles I'm nervous about actually do go on up on the Sacramento American River Bike trail. (I confess I don't keep track of the Sac. happenings, though)

Anyway, hope the perpetrator is caught and the victim makes a full recovery.

pH in Aptos

It would be nice if there were a more direct route from Gilroy to Mission San Juan Batista.

pH writes:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wow, broad daylight, no less.

There is a move afoot to put in a bike trail along the existing rail
line going from Watsonville to Santa Cruz (about 12 miles).
I fear there will be plenty of illicit activity along the trail if and
when it comes to pass. The trail will afford remoteness and cover for
those wishing to waylay others.
It will pass by lots of backyards giving our local property
redistribution specialists an easy way to assess potential 'donors'
and afford an easy, speedy means of egress.

Doesn't the existing rail line already allow ne'er do wells to overlook
back yards? There was a similar argument made here, in a wealthy town
with a disused railroad line running through it. A proposed MUP was
voted down because it was considered likely to attract riffraff. Having
walked along the line many times without benefit of an offical trail, I
was satisfied that the riffraff were already there.

You might argue that a MUP would bring a lot of new potential victims
out to the boonies, I could understand that.

Guess my cynicism is got a pretty good hold on me at the moment.

I think a lot of the troubles I'm nervous about actually do go on up
on the Sacramento American River Bike trail. (I confess I don't keep
track of the Sac. happenings, though)

Anyway, hope the perpetrator is caught and the victim makes a full recovery.

pH in Aptos

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On 2/26/2020 10:08 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
pH writes:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wow, broad daylight, no less.

There is a move afoot to put in a bike trail along the existing rail
line going from Watsonville to Santa Cruz (about 12 miles).
I fear there will be plenty of illicit activity along the trail if and
when it comes to pass. The trail will afford remoteness and cover for
those wishing to waylay others.
It will pass by lots of backyards giving our local property
redistribution specialists an easy way to assess potential 'donors'
and afford an easy, speedy means of egress.

Doesn't the existing rail line already allow ne'er do wells to overlook
back yards? There was a similar argument made here, in a wealthy town
with a disused railroad line running through it. A proposed MUP was
voted down because it was considered likely to attract riffraff. Having
walked along the line many times without benefit of an offical trail, I
was satisfied that the riffraff were already there.

We heard that same NIMBY argument here, in two different places. One was
regarding a proposed MUP on a rail line that passed behind many suburban
lots. The trail went in over the objections of many adjacent landowners,
and AFAIK the only theft was one birdhouse - supposedly.

The other was regarding a short section of proposed walking path (not a
MUP) on forested village property behind six houses. One of those
politically connected residents hand-delivered leaflets claiming the
path would trigger kidnappings, theft of large-screen TVs, peeping toms,
heart attacks due to exertion ("You'll have to install
defibrillators!!") and more. He got people to raise enough ruckus that
the village turned down a federal grant to build the path.

Small town politics gets really, really weird.


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- Frank Krygowski

On 2/26/2020 1:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/26/2020 10:08 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
pH writes:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd

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Andrew Muzi
Â*Â* www.yellowjersey.org/
Â*Â* Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wow, broad daylight, no less.

There is a move afoot to put in a bike trail along the existing rail
line going from Watsonville to Santa Cruz (about 12 miles).
I fear there will be plenty of illicit activity along the trail if and
when it comes to pass.Â* The trail will afford remoteness and cover for
those wishing to waylay others.
It will pass by lots of backyards giving our local property
redistribution specialists an easy way to assess potential 'donors'
and afford an easy, speedy means of egress.

Doesn't the existing rail line already allow ne'er do wells to overlook
back yards?Â* There was a similar argument made here, in a wealthy town
with a disused railroad line running through it.Â* A proposed MUP was
voted down because it was considered likely to attract riffraff.Â* Having
walked along the line many times without benefit of an offical trail, I
was satisfied that the riffraff were already there.

We heard that same NIMBY argument here, in two different places. One was
regarding a proposed MUP on a rail line that passed behind many suburban
lots. The trail went in over the objections of many adjacent landowners,
and AFAIK the only theft was one birdhouse - supposedly.

I meant to add, one of the strong protesters against that MUP was a
machinist I worked with. It was behind his property, and he predicted
disaster.

After it was installed, he came to me for advice on buying a bike to
ride on the MUP.

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- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 7:08:16 AM UTC-8, Radey Shouman wrote:
pH writes:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/s...-606-trail-cpd
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wow, broad daylight, no less.

There is a move afoot to put in a bike trail along the existing rail
line going from Watsonville to Santa Cruz (about 12 miles).
I fear there will be plenty of illicit activity along the trail if and
when it comes to pass. The trail will afford remoteness and cover for
those wishing to waylay others.
It will pass by lots of backyards giving our local property
redistribution specialists an easy way to assess potential 'donors'
and afford an easy, speedy means of egress.

Doesn't the existing rail line already allow ne'er do wells to overlook
back yards? There was a similar argument made here, in a wealthy town
with a disused railroad line running through it. A proposed MUP was
voted down because it was considered likely to attract riffraff. Having
walked along the line many times without benefit of an offical trail, I
was satisfied that the riffraff were already there.

You might argue that a MUP would bring a lot of new potential victims
out to the boonies, I could understand that.

Good point. There are people camping up and down the line now. I have not read about a lot of theft in the local rag.
The paved path would allow easier access.
When I tried out the Vine trail up in Napa I found it used for trash disposal, vehicle disposal and camping out more than I expected.

I like Frank K.'s more optimistic view on things and hope his views on what might happen will be the correct ones.
Time will tell and I'll let everyone know.

Although here in Santa Cruz things happen at a glacial pace. It's only been 30 years or so since we've been talking about it so I guess we have another 30 or so before things start getting done. (Not really kidding all that much.)

pH in Aptos




Guess my cynicism is got a pretty good hold on me at the moment.

I think a lot of the troubles I'm nervous about actually do go on up
on the Sacramento American River Bike trail. (I confess I don't keep
track of the Sac. happenings, though)

Anyway, hope the perpetrator is caught and the victim makes a full recovery.

pH in Aptos

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On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 7:43:51 PM UTC-6, pH wrote:
Good point. There are people camping up and down the line now. I have not read about a lot of theft in the local rag.
The paved path would allow easier access.


Is easier access good or bad? There have been several posts in this thread about homeowners objecting to paths because they think that will allow the criminals to get to their house. Do these people live on streets/roads or sidewalks now? Why can't the criminals walk up and down the streets or sidewalks and see their potential victims? Why do they need a trail to do this?

Some people worry that meth smoking shacks will be set up along the trails. Maybe. Maybe not. The paved path would make it easier to get supplies to the meth smoking shack. Just drive them in the middle of the night. But having a meth shack right beside a paved trail where a dozen or a hundred bicyclists or walkers go by every day might not be good. Paths allow more access to eyes and people. Meth shacks don't like to be seen. So having trails would likely lead to more safety and security for an area because there are lots more people observing things. And everyone carries a phone to call the police and the paved trail allows the police to drive right to the spot.

I live in an area with hundreds of miles of paved bike trails. The worst I've ever seen on the trails is a tent in the trees near the trail. The trails are somewhat secluded, out of the way. Not in the main parts of town where the people are. So any bad people wanting to get on the trails will have to expend some effort to get there. Doesn't sound like something a bad person is going to do. Its not like the proverbial liquor store on the corner set up in the bad part of town where all the liquor drinking people live.

Some of the people by the trails may complain. But I wonder if they will turn down the extra money they sell their house for because it is beside a trail? Houses with trail access are worth more.