About Trek liquids

Hi all,

I would like to know the feedback of trek liquid 25/55 owners, and the
rest of people, of course .

I’m coming from a hardtail trek 6700 2003 and I would like to upgrade it.
6700 is perfect to climb up, but it’s obviously a little limited when you
go down . For my week exists around Barcelona (Catalonia, Europe)
through Collserola Park 6700 is fine. Tracks are good and you can go down
faster, jumping several times. Normally you have two climbs up of about 30
minutes each one, in a typically exist of about 30 km. There are also
tracks as in the Trondheim video posted some days ago in the group, but
then my first problem is pedals, not the bike (well...) At the weekends I
usually go to the Pyrenees, mountains up to 3,000 meters, with climbings
up to 4 hours (normally 2 hours), very steep sometimes, where 6700 is
perfect, but the problem is going down in terrain tracks with a lot of
rocks.

I’m looking for a comfortable frame, and trek it’s comfortable enough for
me. I need a full suspension bike for recreational, not competition (maybe
some one some day). Going down hard, jumping several times, and some
technical tracks. I’m thinking in trek Liquid 25 (2500 EUR) or 55 (3500
EUR); or Fuel 95 (3000 EUR).

Geometry in Liquids seems to be the same. Although I’ve not been found any
official numbers, I think 25 weights about 30 lbs (13.6 kg), and 55 27 lbs
(12.25 kg). Am I right?

In 25 there are some LX components (I would like to improve them), brakes
are different, and front fork is a Manitou Black Elite (25), and Manitou
Minute 2 (55).

Is it reasonable to pay 1000 EUR more for 3 lbs less, and these better
components for my use? Taking in account that it’s a lot of money for me.

Another thing that worries me is the behavior of rear shock in climbs.

Any comment would be welcome.

TIA,

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Gamarús

On 2004-08-14, Gamarús penned:

Any comment would be welcome.


Do you have any stores that will let you rent high-end bikes for a day? It's
expensive, but not as expensive as buying a bike that doesn't do what you need
it to do.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

El Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:58:28 -0600, Monique Y. Mudama
va escriu

Do you have any stores that will let you rent high-end bikes for a day?
It's
expensive, but not as expensive as buying a bike that doesn't do what
you need
it to do.


In Barcelona, I don't think so. But, I'm thinking in a store that inside
it you can ride for a 100 meters or more track, any bike. That could
provide you some basic feelings about the bike (basically, comfortability,
that it's very important to me), but I'll manage to inform about this.

Thanks, Monique.
--

Gamarús

=?utf-8?Q?Gamar=C3=BAs?= said...

Is it reasonable to pay 1000 EUR more for 3 lbs less, and these better
components for my use? Taking in account that it’s a lot of money for me.

Another thing that worries me is the behavior of rear shock in climbs.

Any comment would be welcome.

TIA,

I don't think the 55 is worth all the extra money. LX works just fine.
Both bikes have SPV shocks in the rear which should make them very good
climbers, considering the type of bike they are. A Trek Fuel or other XC
bike would climb better, but won't be as good on the downhills. Giant,
Specialized, Kona and others sell bikes that compete head to head with
Trek. I would research all of them.

El Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:51:23 GMT, SuperSlinky va
escriu


I don't think the 55 is worth all the extra money. LX works just fine.
Both bikes have SPV shocks in the rear which should make them very good
climbers, considering the type of bike they are. A Trek Fuel or other XC
bike would climb better, but won't be as good on the downhills. Giant,
Specialized, Kona and others sell bikes that compete head to head with
Trek. I would research all of them.

Yes, LX really works fine enough. I have LX at my Trek 6700 . But,
Liquid 25 has a mix of LX/XT components and other brands in brakes, and as
I'll upgrade to a better bike, I would like a complete XT. No worried
about, I think I'll be able to change in the shop.

The question is if the frameset is exactly the same in liquid 25 than in
Liquid 55. I think is the same material and the same geometry, but I don't
know if weights the same or not (any structural change). Anybody knows
about it? If the answer is Yes, then there is any complaint, the front
fork is the only difference important to me if I change into XT
components. If not, well...

On the other hand I tested some Kona. Geometry is agressive, and I'm
looking for a comfortable enough . Maybe is the age...

Last week, I tested a Specialized Epic in a rocky forest track, and worked
really fine compared to my hardtail. But, although geometry is also a
little agressive, I read in some magazine that the suspension system is
something between Hardtail and All-mountain, beeing in the last not good
as a typical all-mountain.

However, I'll test inside the shop, before purchasing a Trek, some Kona,
Cannondale, Gt, Specialized and some local brand (that are cheaper).

I also read, that 2005 Liquids would change slighty the rear suspension
system, improving perfomance and travel, and the higher bar would have
more sloop, having a more agressive look (I don't know is overall geometry
will change). A true redesign of the Liquid's series. In Fuel series also
would increase travel's suspension into 100 mm.

Regards,

--

Gamarús

=?iso-8859-15?Q?Gamar=FAs?= said...

Yes, LX really works fine enough. I have LX at my Trek 6700 . But,
Liquid 25 has a mix of LX/XT components and other brands in brakes, and as
I'll upgrade to a better bike, I would like a complete XT. No worried
about, I think I'll be able to change in the shop.

The Liquid 25 on the American web site has Hayes HFX-9s, a very nice
brake.

The question is if the frameset is exactly the same in liquid 25 than in
Liquid 55. I think is the same material and the same geometry, but I don't
know if weights the same or not (any structural change). Anybody knows
about it? If the answer is Yes, then there is any complaint, the front
fork is the only difference important to me if I change into XT
components. If not, well...

They are exactly the same model number and have exactly the same rear
shock.

On the other hand I tested some Kona. Geometry is agressive, and I'm
looking for a comfortable enough . Maybe is the age...

Last week, I tested a Specialized Epic in a rocky forest track, and worked
really fine compared to my hardtail. But, although geometry is also a
little agressive, I read in some magazine that the suspension system is
something between Hardtail and All-mountain, beeing in the last not good
as a typical all-mountain.

XC bikes will have more aggressive geometry, less travel and generally
stiffer suspension. But they will climb better.

El Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:31:00 GMT, SuperSlinky va
escriu


The Liquid 25 on the American web site has Hayes HFX-9s, a very nice
brake.

The European one has the same. In a 2500 EUR bike I think all components
are nice , or must be. I only noticed that, while in 25 there is a mix
of LX/XT/SRAM/Hayes, in the better 55 all is XT, so I think it would be
better a XT brake.


They are exactly the same model number and have exactly the same rear
shock.


Ummm, sounds nice...


XC bikes will have more aggressive geometry,

? . I think you wanted to say "less"...

less travel and generally
stiffer suspension. But they will climb better.

One of the Fuel 9x things I like more is the possibility you can fix the
rear shox for long climbs. I think it has a Fox rear shox. Is this
possible in the Liquid 25, with the Manitou SPV?

At the moment, with a 80 mm suspension travel in Fuel, the balance goes to
Liquid. I think I'd need more than 80 mm, according to my expirience in my
current bike. Next year, increasing travel into 100 mm in Fuel (front and
rear) and probably adding some more mm in current 130 mm Liquid (at least
in rear shox), the choice will be a little more difficult

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El Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:31:00 GMT, SuperSlinky va
escriu


The Liquid 25 on the American web site has Hayes HFX-9s, a very nice
brake.

The European one has the same. In a 2500 EUR bike I think all components
are nice , or must be. I only noticed that, while in 25 there is a mix
of LX/XT/SRAM/Hayes, in the better 55 all is XT, so I think it would be
better a XT brake.


They are exactly the same model number and have exactly the same rear
shock.


Ummm, sounds nice...


XC bikes will have more aggressive geometry,

? . I think you wanted to say "less"...

less travel and generally
stiffer suspension. But they will climb better.

One of the Fuel 9x things I like more is the possibility you can fix the
rear shox for long climbs. I think it has a Fox rear shox. Is this
possible in the Liquid 25, with the Manitou SPV?

If you have the pressure adjusted correctly, with the Stable Platform Valve,
you are not supposed to need to change anything.
Not having done any long climbs yet, I can only regurgitate ad copy on this
;-) On long flats, which I have ridden, I feel no bobbing.

Dan V

Gamarús wrote:
Hi all,

I would like to know the feedback of trek liquid 25/55 owners, and the
rest of people, of course .

I'm coming from a hardtail trek 6700 2003 and I would like to upgrade
it. 6700 is perfect to climb up, but it's obviously a little limited
when you go down . For my week exists around Barcelona (Catalonia,
Europe) through Collserola Park 6700 is fine. Tracks are good and you
can go down faster, jumping several times. Normally you have two
climbs up of about 30 minutes each one, in a typically exist of about
30 km. There are also tracks as in the Trondheim video posted some
days ago in the group, but then my first problem is pedals, not the
bike (well...) At the weekends I usually go to the Pyrenees,
mountains up to 3,000 meters, with climbings up to 4 hours (normally
2 hours), very steep sometimes, where 6700 is perfect, but the
problem is going down in terrain tracks with a lot of rocks.

I'm looking for a comfortable frame, and trek it's comfortable enough
for me. I need a full suspension bike for recreational, not
competition (maybe some one some day). Going down hard, jumping
several times, and some technical tracks. I'm thinking in trek Liquid
25 (2500 EUR) or 55 (3500 EUR); or Fuel 95 (3000 EUR).

Geometry in Liquids seems to be the same. Although I've not been
found any official numbers, I think 25 weights about 30 lbs (13.6
kg), and 55 27 lbs (12.25 kg). Am I right?

In 25 there are some LX components (I would like to improve them),
brakes are different, and front fork is a Manitou Black Elite (25),
and Manitou Minute 2 (55).

Is it reasonable to pay 1000 EUR more for 3 lbs less, and these better
components for my use? Taking in account that it's a lot of money for
me.

Another thing that worries me is the behavior of rear shock in climbs.

Any comment would be welcome.

TIA,

--

Gamarús

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Gamarús wrote in message news:opscp7l8ijyiboxa@ruc...
Another thing that worries me is the behavior of rear shock in climbs.

Ride a hardtail then.

JD