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Veloloop Triggers Inductive Road Sensors
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/natnat/veloloop-trigger-traffic-signals-from-your-bike
Somehow I don't think that this project is going to attract many backers. Personally I rarely have a problem activating sensors with my road bike or mountain bike and in the rare instances that happens there is often a walk-signal button to press or a car comes along. Worst case, I run the red light. Maybe carbon fiber bicycles need this device. |
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On 10/7/2014 9:35 AM, sms wrote:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/natnat/veloloop-trigger-traffic-signals-from-your-bike Somehow I don't think that this project is going to attract many backers. Personally I rarely have a problem activating sensors with my road bike or mountain bike and in the rare instances that happens there is often a walk-signal button to press or a car comes along. Worst case, I run the red light. Maybe carbon fiber bicycles need this device. I don't know, I have the same experience that you do. It works or I press the walk signal or I run the light when there's no traffic. |
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On 10/7/2014 7:37 AM, Duane wrote:
On 10/7/2014 9:35 AM, sms wrote: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/natnat/veloloop-trigger-traffic-signals-from-your-bike Somehow I don't think that this project is going to attract many backers. Personally I rarely have a problem activating sensors with my road bike or mountain bike and in the rare instances that happens there is often a walk-signal button to press or a car comes along. Worst case, I run the red light. Maybe carbon fiber bicycles need this device. I don't know, I have the same experience that you do. It works or I press the walk signal or I run the light when there's no traffic. Someone suggested laying the bike down on the loop then lifting it up if you don't trigger the sensor otherwise. You want a larger mass of metal to trigger it. |
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On 10/7/2014 11:35 AM, sms wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:37 AM, Duane wrote: On 10/7/2014 9:35 AM, sms wrote: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/natnat/veloloop-trigger-traffic-signals-from-your-bike Somehow I don't think that this project is going to attract many backers. Personally I rarely have a problem activating sensors with my road bike or mountain bike and in the rare instances that happens there is often a walk-signal button to press or a car comes along. Worst case, I run the red light. Maybe carbon fiber bicycles need this device. I don't know, I have the same experience that you do. It works or I press the walk signal or I run the light when there's no traffic. Someone suggested laying the bike down on the loop then lifting it up if you don't trigger the sensor otherwise. You want a larger mass of metal to trigger it. I think the three choices I mentioned work fine most of the time. Nearly every light here has a button for a pedestrian crossing. Unless I'm queued up for a left turn there's no real problem pressing the button. It's rare that the sensor doesn't work to begin with. |
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On 10/7/2014 11:50 AM, Duane wrote:
On 10/7/2014 11:35 AM, sms wrote: On 10/7/2014 7:37 AM, Duane wrote: I don't know, I have the same experience that you do. It works or I press the walk signal or I run the light when there's no traffic. Someone suggested laying the bike down on the loop then lifting it up if you don't trigger the sensor otherwise. You want a larger mass of metal to trigger it. I think the three choices I mentioned work fine most of the time. Nearly every light here has a button for a pedestrian crossing. Unless I'm queued up for a left turn there's no real problem pressing the button. It's rare that the sensor doesn't work to begin with. That type of sensor (the buried inductive loop) works well most of the time, provided you know to put your bike in the proper position, which is generally right atop the wire (if it's a single rectangle or circular cut) or atop the center wire (if it's a double rectangle, or other double figure). When the bike doesn't trigger the signal in that instance, I've had good luck making a phone call to get the sensitivity increased. I don't have any interest in hauling my bike over to press a pedestrian button, then hauling it back into traffic position. My bike is legally a vehicle, and vehicle detectors should be adjusted to detect it. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/7/2014 11:50 AM, Duane wrote: On 10/7/2014 11:35 AM, sms wrote: On 10/7/2014 7:37 AM, Duane wrote: I don't know, I have the same experience that you do. It works or I press the walk signal or I run the light when there's no traffic. Someone suggested laying the bike down on the loop then lifting it up if you don't trigger the sensor otherwise. You want a larger mass of metal to trigger it. I think the three choices I mentioned work fine most of the time. Nearly every light here has a button for a pedestrian crossing. Unless I'm queued up for a left turn there's no real problem pressing the button. It's rare that the sensor doesn't work to begin with. That type of sensor (the buried inductive loop) works well most of the time, provided you know to put your bike in the proper position, which is generally right atop the wire (if it's a single rectangle or circular cut) or atop the center wire (if it's a double rectangle, or other double figure). When the bike doesn't trigger the signal in that instance, I've had good luck making a phone call to get the sensitivity increased. I don't have any interest in hauling my bike over to press a pedestrian button, then hauling it back into traffic position. My bike is legally a vehicle, and vehicle detectors should be adjusted to detect it. I have that problem constantly. There is one left-turn light which never turns green but hardly any cars go there. So I ofetn cycle straight across where more cars travel and trigger the light, then loop back through a gas station. Then there are gates and that's worse, because you simply cannot continue until the thing opens. Or heave the bicycle over a fence and climb after it. Some sensors can be triggered by scoping out the minor discolorations in the road surface that indicate the loop and laying the bike. But I found that only works well with the titanium frame bike of a friend. With my aluminum frame it does not work. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 10/7/2014 1:06 PM, Joerg wrote:
snip I have that problem constantly. There is one left-turn light which never turns green but hardly any cars go there. So I ofetn cycle straight across where more cars travel and trigger the light, then loop back through a gas station. Then there are gates and that's worse, because you simply cannot continue until the thing opens. Or heave the bicycle over a fence and climb after it. Some sensors can be triggered by scoping out the minor discolorations in the road surface that indicate the loop and laying the bike. But I found that only works well with the titanium frame bike of a friend. With my aluminum frame it does not work. Well it turns out that I know someone beta-testing this device for the inventor and he got a little bit defensive about me not thinking that it was the greatest idea since sliced bread. The thing that he says is most useful about it is that it lets him find a loop that is unmarked and where the pavement cuts have been paved over. He said that it is also a great conversation starter. He takes his bicycle on Caltrain and is constantly asked about it. I hope he made up a good story about it! This sort of device has been around for a long time but I don't think that anyone has tried to commercialize it before. http://gizmodo.com/5079430/traffic-loop-sensor-trigger-for-bikes-gets-you-more-green-lights Most cities will increase loop sensitivity and/or paint a bicycle marking on the pavement if you tell them about the problem. I find very few that don't work, and it's not just my steel road bicycle. My daughter's aluminum bicycle does just fine on them. |
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sms wrote:
On 10/7/2014 1:06 PM, Joerg wrote: snip I have that problem constantly. There is one left-turn light which never turns green but hardly any cars go there. So I ofetn cycle straight across where more cars travel and trigger the light, then loop back through a gas station. Then there are gates and that's worse, because you simply cannot continue until the thing opens. Or heave the bicycle over a fence and climb after it. Some sensors can be triggered by scoping out the minor discolorations in the road surface that indicate the loop and laying the bike. But I found that only works well with the titanium frame bike of a friend. With my aluminum frame it does not work. Well it turns out that I know someone beta-testing this device for the inventor and he got a little bit defensive about me not thinking that it was the greatest idea since sliced bread. The thing that he says is most useful about it is that it lets him find a loop that is unmarked and where the pavement cuts have been paved over. Yeah, but how often does that apply? Plus on my MTB such a large device would be a hazard and survive a maximum of about 15 minutes into a ride. That's when I hit the rough stuff on the first bush road, or what us guys consider a "road". He said that it is also a great conversation starter. He takes his bicycle on Caltrain and is constantly asked about it. I hope he made up a good story about it! Maybe next time he should wear a clean-room suit and a gas mask, then answer "This loop here? Oh, you don't want to know. You really don't want to know!" :-) This sort of device has been around for a long time but I don't think that anyone has tried to commercialize it before. http://gizmodo.com/5079430/traffic-loop-sensor-trigger-for-bikes-gets-you-more-green-lights After entering the trail with my MTB I'd give than 10 seconds of remaining lifetime. Max. Most cities will increase loop sensitivity and/or paint a bicycle marking on the pavement if you tell them about the problem. I find very few that don't work, and it's not just my steel road bicycle. My daughter's aluminum bicycle does just fine on them. It's not just cicties but also HOAs with their gates. They will not likely accommodate bicyclists because they prefer folks to cruise up in upper class Mercedes Benzes. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 10/7/2014 2:08 PM, Joerg wrote:
It's not just cicties but also HOAs with their gates. They will not likely accommodate bicyclists because they prefer folks to cruise up in upper class Mercedes Benzes. They don't accommodate pedestrians either. I can't remember exactly where it was but I was dropping my daughter off for some scout training and it was a gated commercial complex. They could open the gate from the inside only by carrying a metal folding chair and waving it over the loop detector. From the outside you needed a card key. |
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