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Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and
it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. What will they think of next? Anyone ever see one of these before? brink |
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brink wrote:
Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. What will they think of next? Anyone ever see one of these before? brink Can't say I've seen one but it sounds like someone is earning their pay on the board of supervisors. Good for them. Bill Baka |
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"brink" wrote in message ... Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. What will they think of next? Anyone ever see one of these before? Huh. I would hope that the introduction of these is accompanied by an aggressive PR campaign to remind drivers that bikes have a right to the normal lanes too. My primary objection to bike lanes is their segregationist effects: many drivers truly believe that bikes are legal on the road only if there's a separate lane for them, and otherwise belong on the sidewalk. That said, I would have to know the road before judging whether this approach is a good thing. In Philadelphia there are a number of streets where parking is prohibited during rush hour. Drivers ignore bike lanes now (and the police never, ever, enforce any bike-related infraction by either drivers or cyclists), so I doubt that dedicating the parking lanes to bikes during rush hours would do anything except raise the hostility level even more. R |
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"Rich Clark" wrote in message ... "brink" wrote in message ... Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. What will they think of next? Anyone ever see one of these before? Huh. I would hope that the introduction of these is accompanied by an aggressive PR campaign to remind drivers that bikes have a right to the normal lanes too. My primary objection to bike lanes is their segregationist effects: many drivers truly believe that bikes are legal on the road only if there's a separate lane for them, and otherwise belong on the sidewalk. Agreed. My worry is that drivers -- in their ignorance -- would interpret this as "cyclists allowed on roads -- in their lane only of course -- during those posted hours." I'm going to do an informal poll out here with people in Riverside and see how they interpret this... That said, I would have to know the road before judging whether this approach is a good thing. In Philadelphia there are a number of streets where parking is prohibited during rush hour. Drivers ignore bike lanes now (and the police never, ever, enforce any bike-related infraction by either drivers or cyclists), so I doubt that dedicating the parking lanes to bikes during rush hours would do anything except raise the hostility level even more. Perhaps. This isn't a super-urban area like Philly, so parking isn't a major premium. Course I was still a couple miles out of downtown when I observed this new lane, closer to downtown that changes, esp now that they've completely done away with free parking downtown. I'll see if I can snap some photos of this. I still can't quite get my head around this seeming innovation. I'm going to try to call Riverside's transportation dept tomorrow to get their take on the why and how they implemented this. brink |
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brink wrote:
Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. What will they think of next? Anyone ever see one of these before? Traffic department in Walnut Creek tried to do something like this. Parking/bike lane during non-rush hours (existing configuration), extra vehicle lane (no parking) during rush hours (proposed configuration). I was on the bicycle advisory committee and we convinced them it was a bad idea before it got implemented. |
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brink wrote:
Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. I agree that bike lanes in general are counter-productive, especially near intersections. In Pennsylvania, the bike lane stripe is often dashed at intersections, indicating that cars are allowed there, just when things get interesting. Even worse are the cyclists who turn left from one of these lanes, or drivers who believe that cyclists have to do that. We do have to recognize that cyclists will not be treated as equals on the road to motorists. They will try to pass without changing lanes, and will do that on blind curves. Rather than a bike lane resulting in chaos at every intersection, perhaps somewhat wider travel lanes will allow bikes and cars to coexist on city streets. Or will that just lead to wider Hummers? -- David L. Johnson Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and Excellence. |
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"brink" wrote: Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. What will they think of next? Anyone ever see one of these before? brink I'd be very interested to learn how many tickets and/or tows happen to parked cars during the bike lane hours. Please keep us posted. ..max |
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On Mar 6, 9:54 pm, "brink" wrote:
Out in Riverside, Calif., the city has made a change to one its roads - and it's recent from what I can tell. There is now a solid-striped lane on the far right of Magnolia Avenue approaching downtown. Every several hundred feet, it is signed with *three* advisory signs: 1) a red-and-white "NO PARKING 7am-9am or 4pm-6pm" 2) a black-and-white "BIKE LANE 7am-9am and 4pm-6pm" 3) a green-and-white "ONE HOUR PARKING 9am-4pm" Now that is a first... a *restricted* bike lane... restricted by time like one would often see an HOV lane. What will they think of next? Anyone ever see one of these before? brink Step in the right direction. People don't ride because there are no consistently safe places to ride, whether they do it for 'fun' or commuting. The 'oil free, no carbon footprint' lollies can whine all they want about bad ole cars but until bicycles have a lane system of their own, it ain't gonna happen, and lanes ain't gonna happen soon. |
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On Mar 8, 8:18 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote: Step in the right direction. People don't ride because there are no consistently safe places to ride, whether they do it for 'fun' or commuting. I'd correct that. Instead, people don't ride (partly) because they THINK there are no consistently safe places to ride. In my experience, they're usually wrong. And the addition of a bike lane stripe doesn't help safety anyway... .... even though most people think it does. It's sort of a conundrum, isn't it? "Here's a measure that doesn't help you, and my hurt you, but it'll make you feel safer. Remember to vote for me in the next election!" - Frank Krygowski |
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