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accident statistics: car vs motorcycle vs bicycle per miletravelled?
On Jun 7, 9:45 am, peter wrote:
On Jun 6, 10:20 pm, " Unfortunately good statistics on bicycle usage are rather hard to find. Although getting a bit dated, the discussion at:http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm is still a good summary. In general most studies seem to indicate that cycling is a bit more dangerous than car driving *per mile* and a bit less dangerous when figured *per hour*. Motorcycling is far more dangerous by either measure. [One confounding factor is that the people who take up motorcycling are more likely to be risk-takers and might have a higher rate of accidents than average in other vehicles as well.] I suspect that the per hour statistic is more meaningful than the per mile version. When you are planning routes for a bicycle rather than a car you tend to try harder to shorten your route. Motorists tend to go out miles and miles out of route to drive faster, even with $4 a gallon gasoline. On the other hand I've changed jobs to make make my commute (by bike) shorter as I've gotten older and fatter. |
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accident statistics: car vs motorcycle vs bicycle per miletravelled?
On Jun 7, 7:14 pm, Peter H wrote:
On Jun 7, 1:20 am, " wrote: I am wondering if riding a bicycle is safer than riding a motorcycle, per mile traveled. Has anyone come across a reliable statistics on this? I was considering to sell my car and to buy a motorcycle to save on gas on longer trips. Then I came across a statistics saying that a motorcyclist is 15 (or smth like that) times more likely to get killed than a car driver, per mile traveled. So I figured the gas is not worth it. But then I figured, perhaps me riding my bicycle to work could be statistically even more dangerous (not that I care). I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the stats that you find. I suggest that the risks associated with bike riding are directly related to where and when you ride. I would not consider riding on the road during rush hour where I live... in fact I ride on the roads here as little as possible. Most of my riding is done on trails, where the thought of personal injury never even enters my mind. I realize that not everyone is fortunate enough to have a good trail system nearby for their pleasure, but am thankful that I do. I have noticed that when I do ride on the roads some vehicles take great care to ensure that they do not move one inch to the left of the middle of their lane, whether there's room there or not. There's something about having a 1 1/2 ton machine drive by you 18" from your left elbow that gives me the heebeegeebees. Peter H Gee, my experience has been just the opposite... I have only been injured while bicycling off the road, I have never gone endo on my daily commute. |
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accident statistics: car vs motorcycle vs bicycle per mile travelled?
DennisTheBald wrote:
On Jun 7, 9:45 am, peter wrote: On Jun 6, 10:20 pm, " Unfortunately good statistics on bicycle usage are rather hard to find. Although getting a bit dated, the discussion at:http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm is still a good summary. In general most studies seem to indicate that cycling is a bit more dangerous than car driving *per mile* and a bit less dangerous when figured *per hour*. Motorcycling is far more dangerous by either measure. [One confounding factor is that the people who take up motorcycling are more likely to be risk-takers and might have a higher rate of accidents than average in other vehicles as well.] I suspect that the per hour statistic is more meaningful than the per mile version. When you are planning routes for a bicycle rather than a car you tend to try harder to shorten your route. Motorists tend to go out miles and miles out of route to drive faster, even with $4 a gallon gasoline. On the other hand I've changed jobs to make make my commute (by bike) shorter as I've gotten older and fatter. Ummm, Dennis, I can lose about a pound a day when I go out on long rides and limit my food intake, and I am a few months from turning 60. Just avoid the junk food places like Mcyou-know-who and you should be OK. Off topic again. Bye. Bill Baka |
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accident statistics: car vs motorcycle vs bicycle per miletravelled?
On Jun 7, 9:56 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Bicycling is NOT very dangerous. It does us no good to pretend it is. - Frank Krygowski Roger that! There is nothing dangerous about bicycles, well unless you derive a significant amount of your income from the manufacture and or sale of motor vehicles, motor fuel, or the advertising revenue from those industries. But that aside, it's a logic fallacy anyway, Bikes just aren't dangerous. But don't expect the media that lives on advertising to spread that word. Cars on the other hand are plenty dangerous. They're dangerous to the people driving & riding in them, to the people living or working near where they are driven, to the people that manufacture them, they're just plain dangerous. But don't expect the media that lives on advertising to spread that word either. I'm not certain about your religion, and I'm not gonna ask. But mine teaches that the Good Lord looks after each and every one of us, not a sparrow falls from the sky without His knowing. And that there is no fear in dying, we're all gonna do it sooner or later. My religion also teaches that it's wrong to kill, unequivocally. I'm not all that pious and I'm willing to make some exceptions; I'm willing to pack heat in case one of those exceptional situations arises. But I'm not willing to kill somebody with a car just because I don't want to get sweaty on my way to work, or because I'm just in a big hurry, or because I'm scared. If I were to succumb to the fear that some nimrod in a hotrod might run me down and kill me and join the ranks of the motoring behind that fear I would not be making the world any safer, but more dangerous. |
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accident statistics: car vs motorcycle vs bicycle per miletravelled?
Ummm, Dennis, I can lose about a pound a day when I go out on long rides and limit my food intake, and I am a few months from turning 60. Just avoid the junk food places like Mcyou-know-who and you should be OK. Off topic again. Bye. Bill Baka A pound a day? That sounds like you're measuring your fluid loss, either that or you must have been really fat. Me, I've been cycling for years and I still keep getting older and heavier in spite of it. I might want to do something about the older, but I'm not too concerned about the heavier. I would like to be as fast as I was when I was 40 again. I'd like to see as clearly as I did when I was 40 again for that matter, but I'm not willing to give up seeing my children grown to go back to it. And I'm not willing to go on 'training rides' to recoup my former speed. My point is that people that do their business by bike tend to be more considerate of distances than people who do theirs by motor, but we all live on the same 24 hour clock. So we are all constrained to limit the amount of time we spend with the various activities... I know people that spend an hour and a half each way driving back and forth to work, I used to spend that same amount of time cycling back and forth - granted I was going a much shorter distance than Cayce was in his car... but we both came to the same conclusion: that was too much time to spend commuting each day. I think it's gonna make more sense to compare hours than miles as most folks will change the parameters of their lives to conform to the time they are allotted. People that are dead set on driving will keep moving further and further afield in order to continue to spend a couple hours a day in their beloved autos and people that switch from motoring to pedaling will start to trade closer to home when they do. |
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accident statistics: car vs motorcycle vs bicycle per mile travelled?
DennisTheBald wrote:
Ummm, Dennis, I can lose about a pound a day when I go out on long rides and limit my food intake, and I am a few months from turning 60. Just avoid the junk food places like Mcyou-know-who and you should be OK. Off topic again. Bye. Bill Baka A pound a day? That sounds like you're measuring your fluid loss, either that or you must have been really fat. Me, I've been cycling for years and I still keep getting older and heavier in spite of it. I might want to do something about the older, but I'm not too concerned about the heavier. I would like to be as fast as I was when I was 40 again. I'd like to see as clearly as I did when I was 40 again for that matter, but I'm not willing to give up seeing my children grown to go back to it. And I'm not willing to go on 'training rides' to recoup my former speed. I agree with you in principle, since I have one daughter, a stepdaughter, and her 5 kids call me grandpa. I just became a great grandpa a few days back. Older does not mean fatter. 2 years ago I got so fanatic about cycling I got down to 140 pounds and people thought I had cancer or was doing drugs. My wife pushed me to gain weight after seeing me kicked back with my stomach almost touching my backbone. I did look like a POW, but damn, I sure felt good and could run my teenage grandkids into the ground. The pound a day was and is real if you go out on a 9-12 hour ride/hike as I do sometimes in the summer. I just go to bed hungry and only eat on the bike when I am absolutely wiped and out of blood sugar. As to the heavier part, chew on this. You see really really old people, and you see really really fat people, but you never ever see a really really old and really really fat person. Does that compute? My point is that people that do their business by bike tend to be more considerate of distances than people who do theirs by motor, but we all live on the same 24 hour clock. So we are all constrained to limit the amount of time we spend with the various activities... I know people that spend an hour and a half each way driving back and forth to work, I used to spend that same amount of time cycling back and forth - granted I was going a much shorter distance than Cayce was in his car... but we both came to the same conclusion: that was too much time to spend commuting each day. I think it's gonna make more sense to compare hours than miles as most folks will change the parameters of their lives to conform to the time they are allotted. People that are dead set on driving will keep moving further and further afield in order to continue to spend a couple hours a day in their beloved autos and people that switch from motoring to pedaling will start to trade closer to home when they do. For what it's worth I have 2 cars and haven't driven either for 2 years now. I finally took out the batteries and put them on a float charger, actually a lab supply that I dialed into 13.6 volts. My wife drives everywhere in the third car. I walk/run/or ride. Bill |
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