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Stronger rubber cement?
On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 9:47:46 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/22/2017 6:45 PM, James wrote: On 20/01/17 07:35, Joerg wrote: Yeah, but you might come upon other people who are. If you never venture far into the wilderness you may never encounter that situation and are probably unaware of how dangerous it can be. No cell phone signal, no roads, no nothing, just the relentlessly scorching sun and lots of miles to get yourself and the victim out. To that I say welcome to Australia. In addition to relentless scorching sun and miles of unforgiving nothingness, we give you such critters as the inland taipan, just to keep you on your toes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_taipan I like snakes, but no thanks! Years ago, I was leading a club mountain bike ride along an abandoned railroad route. At a certain point, we came upon a black rat snake, maybe four feet long, that I was able to catch and hold. The response was interesting. About five or six riders came over as close as they could to see the snake; about five or six others got as far away as they could, as fast as they could. -- - Frank Krygowski Frank rides the median |
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Fuel: was: Stronger rubber cement?
On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:56:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: Not surprising! Has anyone here ever seen any suggestion work for Joerg? And it's not surprising that you couldn't resist re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-posting a comment that was neither interesting nor informative the first time. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net |
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Fuel: was: Stronger rubber cement?
On 1/23/2017 9:40 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:56:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: Not surprising! Has anyone here ever seen any suggestion work for Joerg? And it's not surprising that you couldn't resist re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-posting a comment that was neither interesting nor informative the first time. Hmm. When your buffer goes empty, does it usually trigger such wildly extreme overcounts? The system may be failing. Yes, I (and others) have pointed out before that nothing works for Joerg. When Joerg continually repeats "That doesn't work," some of us will probably continue to respond. But I'm sorry you don't find that as interesting as, say, your long essays on the optimal use of crumpled plastic bags in wire bike baskets. Or the proper style of rubber bands to keep one's pajamas out of the chain. Or patterns for home-knit earlobe covers, or whatever. We each have our interests, Joy. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Fuel: was: Stronger rubber cement?
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 8:06:56 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/23/2017 9:40 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:56:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: Not surprising! Has anyone here ever seen any suggestion work for Joerg? And it's not surprising that you couldn't resist re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- re-posting a comment that was neither interesting nor informative the first time. Hmm. When your buffer goes empty, does it usually trigger such wildly extreme overcounts? The system may be failing. Yes, I (and others) have pointed out before that nothing works for Joerg. When Joerg continually repeats "That doesn't work," some of us will probably continue to respond. But I'm sorry you don't find that as interesting as, say, your long essays on the optimal use of crumpled plastic bags in wire bike baskets. Or the proper style of rubber bands to keep one's pajamas out of the chain. Or patterns for home-knit earlobe covers, or whatever. We each have our interests, Joy. -- - Frank Krygowski And we're all sure that you have no respect for Jeorg's opinions. |
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Stronger rubber cement?
John B. considered Sat, 21 Jan 2017 07:00:11
+0700 the perfect time to write: On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:12:21 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/20/2017 3:43 PM, jbeattie wrote: I have hydraulic discs on a Roubaix and cable discs on my CX commuter bike. I've never gone OTB because of my brakes. The last time I went OTB it was with ordinary caliper brakes and because my son had crashed in front of me on a wet descent. The hydraulic brakes are powerful and they do take some use to understand. Front braking is not all that much different from a good dual pivot; however, rear braking is much more positive, and that is where you have to avoid ham-handedness. This takes about 90 seconds to figure out, and most rear wheel skids are controllable during the learning period. I think I might have problems if I had two similar bikes, one with caliper brakes and one with hydraulic discs - especially if the disc bike wasn't ridden as frequently. My riding style doesn't involve much emergency braking - or really, much speed control on downhills. I like the fast coasting. I think that if an emergency braking event occurred on a disc bike, I might overreact. The scariest braking event I can recall happened about 1.5 years ago, IIRC. It was a club ride through our large, somewhat hilly metropark, and on one long 30+ mph downhill, I coasted off the front as usual. Suddenly two fawns appeared from the woods and one trotted out in front of me. I had never braked that hard and suddenly from such a high speed, and I felt like I was on the edge of control. That's with well set up cantilevers that I'm very, very used to. I suspect with discs, I'd have gone down. I'm not so sure, at least if you'd had sufficient use to become accustomed to them. Most of my really extreme braking experience on two wheelers is from motorcycles, mostly because you are generally going much faster. On all the hydraulically braked ones, I upgraded hoses and pads over original, and on the two Z650s I upgraded from single to twin disk. By using less pressure at the lever, you can develop finer control than if the lever pressure required is near your physical limit. But it DOES take time and experience to learn the right reflexes to manage the power of such brakes as I had on the Z650s. I got so I preferred that level of front brake power, although the original reason for doubling the disks was to reduce fork twist on braking. I once made the mistake of lending one to a mate who had to go to the next town for some parts to repair his motorcycle. I warned him that the full fairing (which he'd never had the experience of riding behind - which shows how long ago this took place) would mean he would need to watch his speed, as the lack of wind pressure reduces the sensation of speed, and also about the power of the front brake. When he got back, he was shaking a bit, so I asked him what had happened. Apparently, as he got out of town he accelerated to what felt like a reasonable speed, then remembered my warning and checked the speedometer, to find he was doing 95mph - over 1.5 times the 60mph speed limit on that road (at 1.5x it's a ban if you get caught). At that moment, he spotted a police car in a lay-by ahead, so grabbed the front brake! Thankfully, the road was dry, and he was able to recover from the rear wheel rocketing skywards before passing the police car! He was frightened enough to barely use the front brake for the rest of the trip Both the cable and hydraulic brakes beat the hell out of calipers in rain and slop, like the snow slop I've been trying to ride in. In dry weather, any good rim brake will do the job. I don't see any reason for hydraulic discs on high-end race bikes that will never be ridden in the rain, except maybe to avoid over-heating CF rims -- which could be a real problem with tubulars, although I'm just speculating. Personally, I think its just marketing. No argument there. I'm lucky to be able to avoid riding in those conditions. Somehow I suspect that ultimate bicycle stopping ability is less dependent on types of brakes and far more dependent on tire-pavement friction coefficient. And weight distribution. Once you have brakes powerful enough, and front tyre grip good enough, to lift the rear wheel, you are at the absolute limit, and actually adding some weight at the back, ideally low down (maybe in rear panniers), can actually allow you to stop more quickly! Removing weight from high up and forward is of course even more effective, but isn't usually easy - the limit in that respect is usually just to slide back on the saddle as much as you can. The only bike I've ever had (including motorcycles) that I've been unable to left the rear wheel on is a recumbent, and on THAT, the braking limit is tyre grip. |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:06:50 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: Hmm. When your buffer goes empty, does it usually trigger such wildly extreme overcounts? It's just that I've been holding in that complaint for a loooooooooooooooong time. As the rules of civilized discourse require, I shall say no more on this topic. -- Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier, some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ The above message is a Usenet post. I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site. |
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Stronger rubber cement?
GNAW filler first at belly button
WHY WHY WHY ? caws thumbs left or thumbs right positions nay CONTROLS filler as you go around to your toes. pump air into the tube ....ura pinchng tube at bead ? wow is this ham handed ..spray CRC silicone on bead area going in last. place tire tool into rim/bead n hook....rpt rpt rpt with thumbs pushing around tire wall before insertion |
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Fuel: was: Stronger rubber cement?
Frank Krygowski considered Sun, 22 Jan 2017
11:56:03 -0500 the perfect time to write: On 1/22/2017 10:50 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-21 18:11, Joy Beeson wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 07:42:00 -0800, Joerg wrote: When you go on trails, it will. I have had very tightly packed panniers stuffed out with towels and other things. Two miles down the trail I opened one to look if I had turned on the cell phone. Everything was upside down. It is like a roller coaster in there. You've got to leave it no room to wiggle. Doesn't work. Not surprising! Has anyone here ever seen any suggestion work for Joerg? It's just another thing that we can add to the ever-growing list of "stuff that Joerg doesn't know how to do properly". Just for Joerg's information, the level of shaking experienced by things packed properly into a pannier on a bicycle (especially as he is so enthusiastic about full suspension) is as nothing compared to what cartons of goods go through when being handled by contract carriers, the staff of who's warehouses are often minimum wage and the prevalent attitude is that if the box is marked "fragile" then it must've been particularly well packed, and can therefore be abused even more! Most people will have seen airline baggage handlers at work, where cases slip off trolleys or conveyors and get thrown back on - now think what happens when similar people are working all day with anonymous looking beige boxes completely out of sight of the public! Throw in the harsh suspension of most large goods vehicles, which leaves anything in the back bouncing around with LOTS of space to gather momentum before it slams into the walls, doors, or even roof (I **** you not). Yet an early job I had when I left school was to pack custom made laboratory glassware for delivery by carrier, and none of that ever got broken, despite coming in some of he most awkward shapes imaginable. Later on, I worked for some of those carriers, so have seen it first hand. |
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Fuel: was: Stronger rubber cement?
Phil Lee wrote:
:Just for Joerg's information, the level of shaking experienced by :things packed properly into a pannier on a bicycle (especially as he :is so enthusiastic about full suspension) is as nothing compared to :what cartons of goods go through when being handled by contract :carriers, the staff of who's warehouses are often minimum wage and the revalent attitude is that if the box is marked "fragile" then it :must've been particularly well packed, and can therefore be abused :even more! :Most people will have seen airline baggage handlers at work, where :cases slip off trolleys or conveyors and get thrown back on - now :think what happens when similar people are working all day with :anonymous looking beige boxes completely out of sight of the public! :Throw in the harsh suspension of most large goods vehicles, which :leaves anything in the back bouncing around with LOTS of space to :gather momentum before it slams into the walls, doors, or even roof (I :**** you not). :Yet an early job I had when I left school was to pack custom made :laboratory glassware for delivery by carrier, and none of that ever :got broken, despite coming in some of he most awkward shapes :imaginable. :Later on, I worked for some of those carriers, so have seen it first :hand. There was a harddrive warehouse severely damaged by an earthquake (loma prieta, maybe?) a number of years ago. The company said "everything was packed to be shipped UPS, so nothing was damaged when the building collapsed on it. " -- sig 74 |
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