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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:08:16 GMT, John Everett
wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:39:39 -0700, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:19:20 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael Vandeman, Ph.D. Updated March 8, 2007 Frequently asked by whom? You are a lying sack of **** Michael. You purport to have been a chair of an SC committee for the past decade, and this is a flat out lie. You may have been a chair at some point in the past decade, but stating that you have been FOR the past decade demands an ongoing chairmanship. At the time I wrote that, I had been the chair for a decade. So where's the lie? Missing in action, as usual. That makes YOU the liar. No surprize there! As a Sierra Club National Outings leader I have access to internal club data bases. I don't know in which area of the club Mike claims to be/have been active, but I just checked the rosters of all 23 outings subcommittees and Mike not only doesn't chair any of them but he isn't even a member of any of them. Are you listening? I WAS the chair of the Wildlife Committee of the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. I'm not now. And who said anything about "outings"?! === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:09:47 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote: "John Everett" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:39:39 -0700, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:19:20 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message m... Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael Vandeman, Ph.D. Updated March 8, 2007 Frequently asked by whom? You are a lying sack of **** Michael. You purport to have been a chair of an SC committee for the past decade, and this is a flat out lie. You may have been a chair at some point in the past decade, but stating that you have been FOR the past decade demands an ongoing chairmanship. At the time I wrote that, I had been the chair for a decade. So where's the lie? Missing in action, as usual. That makes YOU the liar. No surprize there! As a Sierra Club National Outings leader I have access to internal club data bases. I don't know in which area of the club Mike claims to be/have been active, but I just checked the rosters of all 23 outings subcommittees and Mike not only doesn't chair any of them but he isn't even a member of any of them. Mike is not a member of the Club anymore. This is a great example of what an incorrigible LIAR Jeff Strickland is. Actually, I am (still) a Life Member. But Jeff Strickland long ago proved that he is totally unreliable as a source of information. Let's see how he tries to wriggle out of THIS one! We probably won't hear form him for a while.... === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:08:43 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:19:20 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael Vandeman, Ph.D. Updated March 8, 2007 Frequently asked by whom? You are a lying sack of **** Michael. You purport to have been a chair of an SC committee for the past decade, and this is a flat out lie. You may have been a chair at some point in the past decade, but stating that you have been FOR the past decade demands an ongoing chairmanship. At the time I wrote that, I had been the chair for a decade. So where's the lie? Missing in action, as usual. That makes YOU the liar. No surprize there! YOU updated the article on March 8, 2007, by your own admission. This was 3 days ago. You have not been chair of anything having to do with the SC for the past decade. Indeed, you are persona non grata at the SC for as long as I have been visiting ca.environment, which is about 7 years. And YOU are a bald-faced LIAR. You know NOTHING. You are a lying sack of ****. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
Mike, most of what you said in that FAQ is of course rubbish. However if
you want to win people over to your way of thinking you won't achieve it by insulting other peoples hobbies. I could give you a diatribe on how walkers and horses erode pathways much more than bikes. But I won't. You wouldn't listen anyway. Simon |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:18:49 GMT, Mike Vandeman
wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:08:16 GMT, John Everett wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:39:39 -0700, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:19:20 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message m... Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael Vandeman, Ph.D. Updated March 8, 2007 Frequently asked by whom? You are a lying sack of **** Michael. You purport to have been a chair of an SC committee for the past decade, and this is a flat out lie. You may have been a chair at some point in the past decade, but stating that you have been FOR the past decade demands an ongoing chairmanship. At the time I wrote that, I had been the chair for a decade. So where's the lie? Missing in action, as usual. That makes YOU the liar. No surprize there! As a Sierra Club National Outings leader I have access to internal club data bases. I don't know in which area of the club Mike claims to be/have been active, but I just checked the rosters of all 23 outings subcommittees and Mike not only doesn't chair any of them but he isn't even a member of any of them. Are you listening? I WAS the chair of the Wildlife Committee of the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. I'm not now. And who said anything about "outings"?! Actually no, I'm not listening. As I said further up this thread, this is the first time I've ever participated in a MV thread. And BTW, ARE YOU LISTENING? I said above, " I don't know in which area of the SC Mike claims to be/have been active". I just checked out Outings because I have access to the Club's "extranet". -- jeverett3ATsbcglobalDOTnet (John V. Everett) |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... Are you listening? I WAS the chair of the Wildlife Committee of the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. I'm not now. And who said anything about "outings"?! Yes, you WERE. A very long time ago. Currently, you have not been chair of anything in The Club for the past decade. Mike's Quote Note: I was the Chair of the Wildlife Committee of the Sierra Club's San Francisco Bay Area Chapter for the past decade. During the same period, I studied conservation biology and the environmental impacts of mountain biking, which are summarized in my paper "The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People -- A Review of the Literature" /Quote In the construction YOU used, YOUR words are that you were "for the past decade" the chair of some committee. This means that you have been chair from NOW, backwards in time for the entire decade. Proper construction that would not make you a liar is, "I was once the chair of a committee for a decade." That construction says that some point in the past, you chaired the committee, it does not state that you have been chair from now and for the decade preceding. How does one get a PhD and not know something so elementary? I forget, you use the New Vandeman Dictionary where up means down and "for the past decade" means "a decade long ago." L:iar. Forgive me, you are not a liar, you are simply one stupid son of a bitch. Idiot. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:08:43 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:19:20 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message m... Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael Vandeman, Ph.D. Updated March 8, 2007 Frequently asked by whom? You are a lying sack of **** Michael. You purport to have been a chair of an SC committee for the past decade, and this is a flat out lie. You may have been a chair at some point in the past decade, but stating that you have been FOR the past decade demands an ongoing chairmanship. At the time I wrote that, I had been the chair for a decade. So where's the lie? Missing in action, as usual. That makes YOU the liar. No surprize there! YOU updated the article on March 8, 2007, by your own admission. This was 3 days ago. You have not been chair of anything having to do with the SC for the past decade. Indeed, you are persona non grata at the SC for as long as I have been visiting ca.environment, which is about 7 years. And YOU are a bald-faced LIAR. You know NOTHING. I know that you have not been chair of any SC committee for the past decade. For you to continue to assert that you have been a chair of anything for the past decade makes you the liar, my friend. PS You also have not spent the "previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction." |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
On 2007-03-11, Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... Are you listening? I WAS the chair of the Wildlife Committee of the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. I'm not now. And who said anything about "outings"?! Yes, you WERE. A very long time ago. Currently, you have not been chair of anything in The Club for the past decade. Mike's Quote Note: I was the Chair of the Wildlife Committee of the Sierra Club's San Francisco Bay Area Chapter for the past decade. During the same period, I studied conservation biology and the environmental impacts of mountain biking, which are summarized in my paper "The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People -- A Review of the Literature" /Quote Hi all - Just wandering through since the Sierra Club's name came up. Like any large organization, the SC membership has diverse opinions and what any single person says may or may not be representative of the whole. For whatever it's worth, I've led and participated in various Sierra Club outings where folks were on mountain bikes. Used with common sense and responsibility, mountain bikes are a great way to enjoy the backcountry. Speaking *only* as an individual, I'd like to see the Sierra Club supporting the various mountain biking organizations on access and trail issues in suitable areas. (Has anyone else ridden the road that separates the Dick Smith and San Rafael Wildernesses in the Los Padres? Technical challenge is just about zero except in early season when you often have to cross slide zones, but the scenery is pretty kickass by SoCal standards and you can get to places with zero tourists and 30 miles of wilderness between you and the next human being.) Cheers, Wolf. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L Angeles Chapter LTC Admin Chair http://angeles.sierraclub.org/ltc/ Member, Sierra Club National Outdoor Activities Governance Committee P.O. Box 6831, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6831 |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:11:30 +0000, Simon Wyndham
wrote: Mike, most of what you said in that FAQ is of course rubbish. However if you want to win people over to your way of thinking you won't achieve it by insulting other peoples hobbies. I could give you a diatribe on how walkers and horses erode pathways much more than bikes. A diatribe is irrelevant. Conveniently, you provide no examples of my alleged "rubbish". Provide some science, as I do, or shut up. There is no science showing that walkers cause more erosion than mountain bikers. I don't think there's ANY reliable science on horses vs. mountain bikers. Put up or shut up. But I won't. You wouldn't listen anyway. Simon === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:18:06 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:08:43 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:19:20 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message om... Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael Vandeman, Ph.D. Updated March 8, 2007 Frequently asked by whom? You are a lying sack of **** Michael. You purport to have been a chair of an SC committee for the past decade, and this is a flat out lie. You may have been a chair at some point in the past decade, but stating that you have been FOR the past decade demands an ongoing chairmanship. At the time I wrote that, I had been the chair for a decade. So where's the lie? Missing in action, as usual. That makes YOU the liar. No surprize there! YOU updated the article on March 8, 2007, by your own admission. This was 3 days ago. You have not been chair of anything having to do with the SC for the past decade. Indeed, you are persona non grata at the SC for as long as I have been visiting ca.environment, which is about 7 years. And YOU are a bald-faced LIAR. You know NOTHING. I know that you have not been chair of any SC committee for the past decade. No, you don't, liar, because it isn't true. You were discredited long ago, and have continued lying ever since. For you to continue to assert that you have been a chair of anything for the past decade makes you the liar, my friend. PS You also have not spent the "previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction." Yes, I did, previous to what I'm doing now (wildlife activism). Learn to read. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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