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On 8/10/2017 9:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/10/2017 8:47 PM, John B. wrote: On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 07:48:47 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 8/9/2017 10:47 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:53:45 +0700, John B wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: You can buy "moonshine" branded products in liquor stores, packaged in canning jars and all. I've never tasted it. :-) I have :-) and "corn whiskey" as usually sold by bootleggers is not that flavorful, in fact it has, as mentioned by the supreme court, no socially redeeming qualities, but on the other hand it is cheap and, if you know your source, probably 50% or more alcohol. Well, the purpose might not be the taste experience. Knowing next to nothing about moonshine I looked around on the web this afternoon, which has resulted in my probably knowing less than nothing now. It sounds like a fair amount of moonshine is made from a sugar base rather than a grain base; when grain is used, seems like corn (maize) is the usual staple. Frank mentioned poitin (Irish moonshine, pronounced "puh-cheen") which unsurprisingly is often made from potatos; there are commercial versions stocked at the local liquor store but I've never tried them. Other than a few selected whiskeys and occasionally aquavit (my wife's family is Danish), liquor holds little interest for me; I prefer beer or wine as a beverage. Don't like cocktails. But then single malt scotch, right out of the still, is also pretty retched stuff :-) -- Cheers, Most all the distilled alcohols are that way, until they are aged and flavored with barrel aging like the whiskeys, decoctions like gin and aquavit, etc. I have no idea what happens with vodka, if there is any aging benefit for the non-flavored versions. I have read that virtually all of the vodkas sold in the US come from one of two sources- Archer Daniels Midland and another big agrabusinessthat I can't remember offhand. They are the biggest distillers in the country and sell the stuff by the tanker load to be bottled and packaged for very profitable resale at various price points. $15 a bottle or $100 a bottle, the odds are pretty good it's the same vodka. I have actually made corm whiskey. It's an amazingly slow and tedious[1] process with a shortbed pickup of corn yielding less than one pint[2] and there's the cost of sugar as well. Once was plenty. To make growing corn and selling alcohol a paying proposition would require either a huge capital investment or a very low value for one's labor. [1]Machinery would probably make shucking/shelling/mashing faster. [2]I make no claim of expertise or efficiency. Since the boiling point of methanol is only slightly higher than ethanol, the prudent fellow will quit while still ahead. Originally it was probably something that a farmer did in the fall, but I think there was something wrong with either your formula or the way you malted the corn. I can't say for corn but barley is about 2 gallons of alcohol per bushel of grain. I wonder about that low yield, too, although I'm not into moonshine at all. I know that the first settlers west of the Appalachian mountains had intense trouble getting any of their grain to markets back east. So they got into the practice of distilling, since whiskey made more sense to ship east. It had a much higher value per pound or per barrel. They used it in barter, too. Trouble was, the new federal government needed cash, so they decided to tax the heck out of the moonshine. The settlers rebelled (justifiably, I think) and Washington sent American troops against American settlers to put down the "Whiskey Rebellion." If the settlers could get only a pint out of a wagon load of corn, I doubt all that would have happened. I'm sure improvements could be achieved. My neighbor's girlfriend had rented a garden plot but moved out before the snow melted so he planted his section with corn. After chatting up a guy at work he was motivated to make moonshine and I was drafted to help. Neither of us had any special knowledge and although it was a debacle the passage of time makes it amusing now. That was in 1975. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:15:40 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
My neighbor's girlfriend had rented a garden plot but moved out before the snow melted so he planted his section with corn. After chatting up a guy at work he was motivated to make moonshine and I was drafted to help. Neither of us had any special knowledge and although it was a debacle the passage of time makes it amusing now. That was in 1975. And you still haven't sobered up. |
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AMuzi writes:
On 8/10/2017 6:15 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: [ ... ] One popular route for medical administration is the dermal patch. A postage stamp sized thing that can send a person from groaning in pain to completely lit up just by sticking it on the skin. Guys boil those 'safe time release' patches in a spoon for injection. I don't doubt it. I've known several that used them in a medical context, and it's impressive how they work even when used as directed. -- |
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On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 4:15:30 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
Tim McNamara writes: On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:39:36 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: Many, perhaps most people who use opiods are addicts, which means that they regularly use a drug just to feel normal. Professionally I have been dealing with the opioid epidemic for damn near 20 years. It only became a recent crisis when nice middle class white folks started turning to heroin out in the suburbs. As long as the primary victims were poor and/or non-white, nobody really gave much of a crap at the policy level. Once it hit the likely voter pool, then the narrative changed. Sorry, a bit cynical these days. Not wrong, but the proposed solution for those poor addicts would have been even more stop and frisk, longer prison terms, &c. Probably just as well not to have the publicity. Saying that "most people who use opioids are addicts" is a gross generalization and is simply not true. However, these are all highly addictive drugs- from codeine to fentanyl and heroin, etc.- and starting to use them at all carries a risk of addiction. It is simply the biology of the drugs in the human body and few people are immune to the potential. If you take a single first dose of oxycodone today, there is a measurable risk that a year from now you will still be taking it (my recollection is that the risk is about 6%). Take it for a week and the risk is higher; take it for a month and the risk is higher; take if for a year and the risk of addiction is higher still. I was sloppy and imprecise. If you ask, out of all the individuals that have taken at least one non-medical opioid dose in the past year, how many are addicts, then you're certainly right in that most of them are not. On the other hand, if you ask about the past *day*, then most of them are. Equivalently, you could take the marketing perspective and ask out of all the doses consumed how many are taken by addicts, and I suspect that most of them are. Opioids are IMHO more addictive than alcohol, perhaps a bit less addictive than nicotine (BTW, to my observation over 36 years of working in mental health, the "gateway drugs" are cigarettes, whatever's in mommy and daddy's medicine cabinet and alcohol. Roughly in that order. Usually by the time people get to trying marijuana, they are already on the substance abuse train. That said, marijuana is *not* a benign, no-harm drug even if less damaging than others) and maybe on par with meth and cocaine (especially crack cocaine). Really? Methamphetamine on a par with cannabis? I find that a little hard to square both with what I have read and what I have seen. It's demonstrably wrong. http://www.drugaddictiontreatment.co...ve-substances/ http://www.healthline.com/health-new...ut-real-072014 The LD50 for marijuana is 1,500 pounds in fifteen minutes. https://weedpress.wordpress.com/scie...0-of-cannabis/ I don't think even Cheech and Chong could smoke that much in 15 minutes. You would have to torch a warehouse to smoke that much dope. In contrast, LD50 for alcohol is 13 shots, one after the other. I agree though that marijuana is not without consequence. -- Jay Beattie. |
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jbeattie writes:
On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 4:15:30 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote: Tim McNamara writes: On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:39:36 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: Many, perhaps most people who use opiods are addicts, which means that they regularly use a drug just to feel normal. Professionally I have been dealing with the opioid epidemic for damn near 20 years. It only became a recent crisis when nice middle class white folks started turning to heroin out in the suburbs. As long as the primary victims were poor and/or non-white, nobody really gave much of a crap at the policy level. Once it hit the likely voter pool, then the narrative changed. Sorry, a bit cynical these days. Not wrong, but the proposed solution for those poor addicts would have been even more stop and frisk, longer prison terms, &c. Probably just as well not to have the publicity. Saying that "most people who use opioids are addicts" is a gross generalization and is simply not true. However, these are all highly addictive drugs- from codeine to fentanyl and heroin, etc.- and starting to use them at all carries a risk of addiction. It is simply the biology of the drugs in the human body and few people are immune to the potential. If you take a single first dose of oxycodone today, there is a measurable risk that a year from now you will still be taking it (my recollection is that the risk is about 6%). Take it for a week and the risk is higher; take it for a month and the risk is higher; take if for a year and the risk of addiction is higher still. I was sloppy and imprecise. If you ask, out of all the individuals that have taken at least one non-medical opioid dose in the past year, how many are addicts, then you're certainly right in that most of them are not. On the other hand, if you ask about the past *day*, then most of them are. Equivalently, you could take the marketing perspective and ask out of all the doses consumed how many are taken by addicts, and I suspect that most of them are. Opioids are IMHO more addictive than alcohol, perhaps a bit less addictive than nicotine (BTW, to my observation over 36 years of working in mental health, the "gateway drugs" are cigarettes, whatever's in mommy and daddy's medicine cabinet and alcohol. Roughly in that order. Usually by the time people get to trying marijuana, they are already on the substance abuse train. That said, marijuana is *not* a benign, no-harm drug even if less damaging than others) and maybe on par with meth and cocaine (especially crack cocaine). Really? Methamphetamine on a par with cannabis? I find that a little hard to square both with what I have read and what I have seen. It's demonstrably wrong. http://www.drugaddictiontreatment.co...ve-substances/ http://www.healthline.com/health-new...ut-real-072014 The LD50 for marijuana is 1,500 pounds in fifteen minutes. https://weedpress.wordpress.com/scie...0-of-cannabis/ I don't think even Cheech and Chong could smoke that much in 15 minutes. You would have to torch a warehouse to smoke that much dope. In contrast, LD50 for alcohol is 13 shots, one after the other. I agree though that marijuana is not without consequence. It has been my observation that dope smokers make *much* better housemates than speed freaks. -- |
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On 8/11/2017 2:34 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
It has been my observation that dope smokers make *much* better housemates than speed freaks. You must hang out with a very odd crowd. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski writes:
On 8/11/2017 2:34 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: It has been my observation that dope smokers make *much* better housemates than speed freaks. You must hang out with a very odd crowd. Never felt the need to economize on lodgings? Good for you. -- |
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A recent article in the Economist (I read it on dead trees, probably online somewhere), dead trees? what is that? Looking... |
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Doug Landau writes:
A recent article in the Economist (I read it on dead trees, probably online somewhere), dead trees? what is that? Looking... You know, those things they send you in the mail. -- |
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