Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition Bicycle Summit and the Failure ofVehicular Cycling.

On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety strategies. One can
imagine anything - "Here there be dragons" - or maybe mountain lions.

The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use data instead
of imagination.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety strategies. One can
imagine anything - "Here there be dragons" - or maybe mountain lions.

The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use data instead
of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions. That's why cars never rear-end each other, including the one in Joerg's cross-walk story.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 2017-08-11 09:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety strategies. One
can imagine anything - "Here there be dragons" - or maybe mountain
lions.



http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/...port_final.pdf

Permission to stick your head back into the sand now.


The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use data
instead of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions. That's
why cars never rear-end each other, including the one in Joerg's
cross-walk story.


a. It was daytime.

b. The car did not had lights on. I always have mine on.

c. Cars do not have bright flashing rear lights. My bicycles do.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2017-08-10 14:06, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/10/2017 11:12 AM, Duane wrote:

Having a shower and locker at the office definitely makes things
easier for commuting by bike.

I suppose a shower and locker make bike commuting easier, but I think
the need for a shower is greatly overestimated.


Not having one could make for a smelly situation in meetings and such.


My first bike commuting job was 2.6 miles away. Even in Georgia summers
I never needed a shower when I arrived. I usually took it easy on the
way in, and mornings are the coolest part of the day.

When I moved to Ohio, a firm criterion for our house purchase was that
it had to be within 10 miles of the new job. I found this one, seven
miles from work. Again, I took things easy on the way in (and was lucky
that most of the way in was level or downhill).


We had people cycle in from 20+ miles away.

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 09:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety strategies. One
can imagine anything - "Here there be dragons" - or maybe mountain
lions.



http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/...port_final.pdf

Permission to stick your head back into the sand now.


The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use data
instead of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions. That's
why cars never rear-end each other, including the one in Joerg's
cross-walk story.


a. It was daytime.

b. The car did not had lights on. I always have mine on.

c. Cars do not have bright flashing rear lights. My bicycles do.

d. The driver stopped for a pedestrian (who knew? people in the
streets). The following driver couldn't see the reason he stopped, his
internal picture didn't develop. Perhaps if it had been a cyclist
stopped for a pedestrian the driver behind would have seen the
pedestrian, understood the situation, and acted appropriately.

--

On 2017-08-11 11:32, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 09:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety strategies. One
can imagine anything - "Here there be dragons" - or maybe mountain
lions.



http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/...port_final.pdf

Permission to stick your head back into the sand now.


The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use data
instead of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions. That's
why cars never rear-end each other, including the one in Joerg's
cross-walk story.


a. It was daytime.

b. The car did not had lights on. I always have mine on.

c. Cars do not have bright flashing rear lights. My bicycles do.

d. The driver stopped for a pedestrian (who knew? people in the
streets). The following driver couldn't see the reason he stopped, his
internal picture didn't develop. Perhaps if it had been a cyclist
stopped for a pedestrian the driver behind would have seen the
pedestrian, understood the situation, and acted appropriately.


Normally when one sees brake lights lighting up that means one shall
also engage the brakes. Whatever the reason, it could be as simple as a
major pothole.

A lot of times rear-ending drivers were distracted.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:48:33 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-11 11:32, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 09:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety strategies. One
can imagine anything - "Here there be dragons" - or maybe mountain
lions.



http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/...port_final.pdf

Permission to stick your head back into the sand now.


The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use data
instead of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions. That's
why cars never rear-end each other, including the one in Joerg's
cross-walk story.


a. It was daytime.

b. The car did not had lights on. I always have mine on.

c. Cars do not have bright flashing rear lights. My bicycles do.

d. The driver stopped for a pedestrian (who knew? people in the
streets). The following driver couldn't see the reason he stopped, his
internal picture didn't develop. Perhaps if it had been a cyclist
stopped for a pedestrian the driver behind would have seen the
pedestrian, understood the situation, and acted appropriately.


Normally when one sees brake lights lighting up that means one shall
also engage the brakes. Whatever the reason, it could be as simple as a
major pothole.

A lot of times rear-ending drivers were distracted.

These days I see so many people driving while talking or even texting on the cell phones that it's not surprising that pedestrian deaths have been rising like 10% per year and California, New York, Texas and Florida account for almost half of them.

I'm also seeing more and more people running red lights - often accelerating through them.

On 2017-08-11 11:58, wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:48:33 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-11 11:32, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 09:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety
strategies. One can imagine anything - "Here there be
dragons" - or maybe mountain lions.



http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/...port_final.pdf

Permission to stick your head back into the sand now.


The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use
data instead of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions.
That's why cars never rear-end each other, including the one
in Joerg's cross-walk story.


a. It was daytime.

b. The car did not had lights on. I always have mine on.

c. Cars do not have bright flashing rear lights. My bicycles
do.

d. The driver stopped for a pedestrian (who knew? people in the
streets). The following driver couldn't see the reason he
stopped, his internal picture didn't develop. Perhaps if it had
been a cyclist stopped for a pedestrian the driver behind would
have seen the pedestrian, understood the situation, and acted
appropriately.


Normally when one sees brake lights lighting up that means one
shall also engage the brakes. Whatever the reason, it could be as
simple as a major pothole.

A lot of times rear-ending drivers were distracted.

These days I see so many people driving while talking or even texting
on the cell phones that it's not surprising that pedestrian deaths
have been rising like 10% per year and California, New York, Texas
and Florida account for almost half of them.


And now CA drivers can consume those funny-smelling cigarettes.


I'm also seeing more and more people running red lights - often
accelerating through them.


Which is why I always look even if I have green. My driver's ed
instructor in Germany yelled "That should be of no interest! You have
the right of way!". Stupid. Me not stepping on it upon green has saved a
motorcyclist from major grief recently. He must have completely not even
seen that red light or was looking at the next light right behind which
was green.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 11:58, wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:48:33 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-11 11:32, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 09:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety
strategies. One can imagine anything - "Here there be
dragons" - or maybe mountain lions.



http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/...port_final.pdf

Permission to stick your head back into the sand now.


The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use
data instead of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions.
That's why cars never rear-end each other, including the one
in Joerg's cross-walk story.


a. It was daytime.

b. The car did not had lights on. I always have mine on.

c. Cars do not have bright flashing rear lights. My bicycles
do.

d. The driver stopped for a pedestrian (who knew? people in the
streets). The following driver couldn't see the reason he
stopped, his internal picture didn't develop. Perhaps if it had
been a cyclist stopped for a pedestrian the driver behind would
have seen the pedestrian, understood the situation, and acted
appropriately.


Normally when one sees brake lights lighting up that means one
shall also engage the brakes. Whatever the reason, it could be as
simple as a major pothole.

A lot of times rear-ending drivers were distracted.

These days I see so many people driving while talking or even texting
on the cell phones that it's not surprising that pedestrian deaths
have been rising like 10% per year and California, New York, Texas
and Florida account for almost half of them.


And now CA drivers can consume those funny-smelling cigarettes.


I'm also seeing more and more people running red lights - often
accelerating through them.


Which is why I always look even if I have green. My driver's ed
instructor in Germany yelled "That should be of no interest! You have
the right of way!". Stupid. Me not stepping on it upon green has saved
a motorcyclist from major grief recently. He must have completely not
even seen that red light or was looking at the next light right behind
which was green.

I agree, and have ever since I rolled through a green light and some
drunk totaled my Pinto. He didn't see any red lights because he was
driving the wrong way on a one way street.

--

On 8/11/2017 2:31 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 11:58, wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:48:33 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-11 11:32, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes:

On 2017-08-11 09:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-7, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 8/11/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just imagine if that driver up front had been a cyclist.

"Just imagine" is a Medieval way of choosing safety
strategies. One can imagine anything - "Here there be
dragons" - or maybe mountain lions.



http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/...port_final.pdf

Permission to stick your head back into the sand now.


The Renaissance happened long ago. We're supposed to use
data instead of imagination.

Yes, bright lights protect against most rear end collisions.
That's why cars never rear-end each other, including the one
in Joerg's cross-walk story.


a. It was daytime.

b. The car did not had lights on. I always have mine on.

c. Cars do not have bright flashing rear lights. My bicycles
do.

d. The driver stopped for a pedestrian (who knew? people in the
streets). The following driver couldn't see the reason he
stopped, his internal picture didn't develop. Perhaps if it had
been a cyclist stopped for a pedestrian the driver behind would
have seen the pedestrian, understood the situation, and acted
appropriately.


Normally when one sees brake lights lighting up that means one
shall also engage the brakes. Whatever the reason, it could be as
simple as a major pothole.

A lot of times rear-ending drivers were distracted.

These days I see so many people driving while talking or even texting
on the cell phones that it's not surprising that pedestrian deaths
have been rising like 10% per year and California, New York, Texas
and Florida account for almost half of them.


And now CA drivers can consume those funny-smelling cigarettes.


I'm also seeing more and more people running red lights - often
accelerating through them.


Which is why I always look even if I have green. My driver's ed
instructor in Germany yelled "That should be of no interest! You have
the right of way!". Stupid. Me not stepping on it upon green has saved
a motorcyclist from major grief recently. He must have completely not
even seen that red light or was looking at the next light right behind
which was green.

I agree, and have ever since I rolled through a green light and some
drunk totaled my Pinto. He didn't see any red lights because he was
driving the wrong way on a one way street.


As when a friend called (while driving!) to say she was on a
brand new street- even the signs were all blank...

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971