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no haven't heard any noises from slow trajectory electrics.
small cars like Fit and uh the low space coupe are so curious I feel an urge for driving one. Not like going for a Camo Cayenne but .... where we're headed here is Big Bro will ask us to carry a trashponder ...an appleponder or a goolex...there being then fewer appleponders over the road than on the berm. works gut no ? |
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On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 8:54:37 PM UTC-7, wrote:
no haven't heard any noises from slow trajectory electrics. small cars like Fit and uh the low space coupe are so curious I feel an urge for driving one. Not like going for a Camo Cayenne but .... where we're headed here is Big Bro will ask us to carry a trashponder ...an appleponder or a goolex...there being then fewer appleponders over the road than on the berm. works gut no ? A week ago I was riding along on a mountain road, I had been watching behind me but was passing the occasional home. I pull out a couple of inches to miss a crack in the pavement and a Transit van JUST missed me by mere inches. He had purposely aimed to pass me with his right mirror just missing me and so when I pulled over my elbow almost hit the side of his van. Mark that there was clear road and sight ahead so that he COULD have cleared me by feet. There was NO SOUND either of his approach or after he passed. Or at least none that could be heard above my vocal opinion of him. Looking in the rear window he gave a "then get out of my way" sign. Good thing he didn't stop. I don't believe these are made in electric so there should be laws that ALL vehicles should make sufficient sound to be detected. I know that you can hear a bicycle overtaking you so why not a motor vehicle? |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:52:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it detects something dangerous or unsafe. Hint: - Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? - Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? - How do you feel in a driverless elevator? - Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? I can see that I'm not making my point, so I'll try again. It's highly likely that we're going to have driverless cars inflicted upon the American public either the choice of government edict. My guess(tm) is that such driverless cars will need to communicate with each other and with some manner of central traffic authority via some kind of mesh network. It's this network that controls which roadway the vehicles will travel, distributes the traffic to prevent bottlenecks, and hopefully helps prevent accidents. If bicycles are going to continue riding on the same roads, they will need to check into the same mesh network that will be used by cars, buses, trucks, and such in order to be deemed safe. Are you ready for the semi-self-driving-bicycle of the future? If not, you might want to practice your hands free bicycle riding. (Sorry for the delayed retort. I've been rather busy lately). -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 20:08:08 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:52:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it detects something dangerous or unsafe. Hint: - Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? - Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? - How do you feel in a driverless elevator? - Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? I can see that I'm not making my point, so I'll try again. It's highly likely that we're going to have driverless cars inflicted upon the American public either the choice of government edict. My guess(tm) is that such driverless cars will need to communicate with each other and with some manner of central traffic authority via some kind of mesh network. It's this network that controls which roadway the vehicles will travel, distributes the traffic to prevent bottlenecks, and hopefully helps prevent accidents. If bicycles are going to continue riding on the same roads, they will need to check into the same mesh network that will be used by cars, buses, trucks, and such in order to be deemed safe. Are they actually made to communicate with each other? I see some tests being carried out (in Singapore) and in one case a driverless car drove into a lorry. Or maybe they only talk with each other :-) Are you ready for the semi-self-driving-bicycle of the future? If not, you might want to practice your hands free bicycle riding. (Sorry for the delayed retort. I've been rather busy lately). -- Cheers, John B. |
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Yes but the personal transponder creates a net for .50 where a complete NET for DLC is millions
A system approach to DLC is more sci fi. BUT ! a commuting corridor system ? Need to check goo scolar We are concerned abt your health when you're absent. |
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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...analysis&btnG=
This exists now ...4 cars on green...go no go ramp entry Or instead of a jam at Ave Z, a system would acquire Z vehicles n process dribbling Z onto exit with TSD ...would that. Mean total involvement between all vehicles ? Is that possible ? where's the economic gain, social justice, common welfare ? |
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On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 8:08:00 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
It's highly likely that we're going to have driverless cars inflicted upon the American public either the choice of government edict. My guess(tm) is that such driverless cars will need to communicate with each other and with some manner of central traffic authority via some kind of mesh network. It's this network that controls which roadway the vehicles will travel, distributes the traffic to prevent bottlenecks, and hopefully helps prevent accidents. If bicycles are going to continue riding on the same roads, they will need to check into the same mesh network that will be used by cars, buses, trucks, and such in order to be deemed safe. Are you ready for the semi-self-driving-bicycle of the future? If not, you might want to practice your hands free bicycle riding. Jeff, I have no doubt that we will see self-driving cars on the road. Tesla already has a self driving feature. But because of the number of older cars on the road they will not operate via intercommunications but the same way you and I drive - by sensing everything around us. Will the government demand that everyone install a detector in their car so that self-driving cars can detect ahead of time that there is an asshole afloat in the sea of traffic? Do you really thing that hot-rodders are about to accept that? And from what I've seen of heavy traffic the worst drivers are those that appear to have the most money. So it's more likely that a bicyclist will be in far less danger from self driving cars that work properly that from driven cars. But note the "work properly" component. I do not think that will occur. |
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On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 10:02:04 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
Are they actually made to communicate with each other? I see some tests being carried out (in Singapore) and in one case a driverless car drove into a lorry. Or maybe they only talk with each other :-) When they have a strong connection. |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:01:58 +0700, John B.
wrote: Are they actually made to communicate with each other? I see some tests being carried out (in Singapore) and in one case a driverless car drove into a lorry. Or maybe they only talk with each other :-) No, or rather not yet. The "autonomous vehicle", which implies that all the intelligence is on-board, is being deprecated in favor of "driverless vehicle". I'm not sure of the status of "self-driving car" and "robo-car". When the carnage of totally autonomous vehicles is over, the obvious solution is to have the vehicle talk to other vehicles, potential hazards, traffic control devices, and perhaps bicycles. My guess(tm) is this will manifest itself in the form of an ad-hoc wireless network between all the autonomous vehicles and similar devices within range. In my never humble opinion, it's the only effective way to do traffic management over wide areas. The article: "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake is the first one that I've seen that suggests a bicycle "talk" to an autonomous vehicle under the banner of safety. Would you want to ride your bicycle on a roadway full of bumper cars without any way to warn the cars to keep their distance? https://www.google.com/search?q=bumper+cars&tbm=isch Since everyone seems to be avoiding the question, perhaps rephrasing the question will help: Are you prepared to cede some of your bicycle autonomy in order to be allowed to ride the highway of the future? Are you ready for robo-bike? -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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