Irration, outsize doping penalty

I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules
violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't
think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one
must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of
applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a
living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more,
in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give
up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction.
No, I don't think I'm being naïve about this.

Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up
Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively suspended
for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a synthetic
corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in May 2004.

A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute Resolution Centre
of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian Cycling
Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of UCI anti-doping
rules had occurred, but there were mitigating circumstances: the
prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had failed to keep
up the necessary paperwork to use it.

.... follow...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news

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Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

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La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

Sandy wrote:

I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules
violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't
think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one
must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of
applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a
living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more,
in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give
up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction.
No, I don't think I'm being naïve about this.

Its just as irrational as suspensions for testing positive for marijuana
incurred by some downhill MTBers.

Apart from which the complete stupidity of attempting to implement a
uniform drug code where a cyclist could be sanctioned for taking for
example a beta blocker that would have had a performance degrading effect
in any endurance sport highlights the function of WADA as a bunch of self
righteous old farts on a hypocritical crusade (rather like the 70's and
80's bunch of old farts attempting to enforce the shamateurism rules of
the time). And even those drugs that might be considered performance
enhancing are often not really very effective (such as these asthma pump
cortizone deritives) and not particularly dangerous either. Concentrating
on those few drugs that actually enhance performance and might be
dangerous to the user would seem a more rational approach.

Does cycling really need WADA and the olympics anyway ? Who cares about a
race that Mercxx never participated in.

Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules

violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I
don't
think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even
if one
must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward
distortion of
applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn
a
living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete
more,
in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street.
I give
up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a
sanction.
No, I don't think I'm being na=EFve about this.

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR


Got to agree with you completely on these latest cases. There needs to
be a complete review and reform of the list and procedures involved
here. There is no reason in hell for things like the fiasco with
Vaughters. Courts decide rulings partially based on the intent with
which a person acts on a regular basis and adjust their rulings due to
it. It's not always possible to determine someone's intent beyond
doubt, but in an awful lot of these cases it's pretty obvious that
there was NO intention to gain an advantage outside the rules. There
really needs to be some serious common sense injected into this whole
mess. There needs to be a fine when the team or rider screws up the
paperwork, maybe 50 Euros or so just to act as a reminder to get the
stuff in, but the UCI and Wada need to become a whole lot more
transparent and work a lot better with the athletes and NGBs too.
=20
Bill C

Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules
violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't
think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one
must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of
applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a
living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more,
in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give
up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction.
No, I don't think I'm being na?ve about this.

There was no fine. The suspension conveniently ends when the racing season
starts again. There is no mention of a loss of any points or prize money
earned during the suspension, most of which was over the winter.

I think this is very consistent with the view that this is more absent-
mindedness than doping.

Bob Schwartz

Sandy wrote:

I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules
violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I
don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second,
even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an
untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension
of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now
penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of
narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could
present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being naïve
about this.

Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up
Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively
suspended for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a
synthetic corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in May
2004.

A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute Resolution
Centre of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian
Cycling Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of UCI
anti-doping rules had occurred, but there were mitigating circumstances:
the prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had failed
to keep up the necessary paperwork to use it.

... follow...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news


Because under a strict liability system, 6 months is considered a
minimum sanction. Green got what he deserved.

Green took a steroid intentionally. He's probably using the asthma
inhaler as a calculated excuse to get his monthly dose of steroid.

Or are you one of those people who actually thinks the entire peloton of
pro cyclists has breathing problems and deserves all these medical
exemptions?

I don't know a single asthmatic as an adult. However, I do know a lot
of pro cyclists who claim to have breathing problems.

It's all a ruse. Green should have gotten 1 year. Your buddy Lafferty
is going to be disappointed in you.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Sandy wrote:

I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of
rules
violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First,
I
don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness.
Second,
even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an
untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month
suspension
of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing
now
penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales
of
narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could
present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being
na=EFve
about this.

Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up
Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively
suspended for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a

synthetic corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in
May
2004.

A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute
Resolution
Centre of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian
Cycling Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of
UCI
anti-doping rules had occurred, but there were mitigating
circumstances:
the prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had
failed
to keep up the necessary paperwork to use it.

... follow...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news


Because under a strict liability system, 6 months is considered a
minimum sanction. Green got what he deserved.

Green took a steroid intentionally.
Yes he did.
He's probably using the asthma
inhaler as a calculated excuse to get his monthly dose of steroid.

Totally unproven and unsubstantiated allegation.
Or are you one of those people who actually thinks the entire peloton
of
pro cyclists has breathing problems and deserves all these medical
exemptions?

That's why there needs to be an independent review of the medical
records, or even an examination before approval for these things.


I don't know a single asthmatic as an adult. However, I do know a
lot
of pro cyclists who claim to have breathing problems.

You must lead a sheltered life, and given your sweet disposition I'm
nopt surprised that you have a limited circle of acquaintances.

It's all a ruse. Green should have gotten 1 year. Your buddy
Lafferty
is going to be disappointed in you.

Magilla
Hopefully you work in some sector where the govt. can screw you over
and shut down what your doing, or yank your license for stupid ****
like a minor paperwork glitch.
But then we'll never know will we.
Bill C

Bill C wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Sandy wrote:


I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of

rules

violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First,

I

don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness.

Second,

even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an
untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month

suspension

of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing

now

penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales

of

narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could
present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being

naïve

about this.

Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up
Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively
suspended for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a


synthetic corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in

May

2004.

A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute

Resolution

Centre of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian
Cycling Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of

UCI

anti-doping rules had occurred, but there were mitigating

circumstances:

the prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had

failed

to keep up the necessary paperwork to use it.

... follow...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news


Because under a strict liability system, 6 months is considered a
minimum sanction. Green got what he deserved.

Green took a steroid intentionally.

Yes he did.
He's probably using the asthma

inhaler as a calculated excuse to get his monthly dose of steroid.


Totally unproven and unsubstantiated allegation.
Or are you one of those people who actually thinks the entire peloton
of

pro cyclists has breathing problems and deserves all these medical
exemptions?


That's why there needs to be an independent review of the medical
records, or even an examination before approval for these things.



I don't know a single asthmatic as an adult. However, I do know a

lot

of pro cyclists who claim to have breathing problems.


You must lead a sheltered life, and given your sweet disposition I'm
nopt surprised that you have a limited circle of acquaintances.

It's all a ruse. Green should have gotten 1 year. Your buddy

Lafferty

is going to be disappointed in you.

Magilla

Hopefully you work in some sector where the govt. can screw you over
and shut down what your doing, or yank your license for stupid ****
like a minor paperwork glitch.
But then we'll never know will we.
Bill C


Taking a steroid is not the same as a "paperwork" violation. Roland
Green isn't an asthmatic, trust me.

Does anybody remember which athlete it was who said that these breathing
inhalers and getting a medical exemption for asthma was all a big joke
designed to cover up intentional doping?

Sorry, but if you're a pro cyclist, you breathe just fine. If you're an
asthamtic, you shouldn't be racing a bike for 6 hours a day.

Bill, don't get suckered into the doper scams of pro cycling.

I'm surprised pro cyclists aren't claiming they have chronic renal
failure just so they can get a medical exemption for EPO.

Thanks,

Magilla

Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of
rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating".
First, I don't think it's really anything more than
absent-mindedness.

Uh, no it's a legal doping scam but you've gotta play by the rules -
and he didn't. Jump through the proper hoops and dope legally or get
suspended. Simple as that.

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Does anybody remember which athlete it was who said that these
breathing
inhalers and getting a medical exemption for asthma was all a big
joke
designed to cover up intentional doping?

Manzano - and he was right.


Sorry, but if you're a pro cyclist, you breathe just fine. If you're
an
asthamtic, you shouldn't be racing a bike for 6 hours a day.

That's the truth brother. And for all you that think inhalers are no
big deal, there's a little truth there. The amounts of
corticosterioids are minimal if used as prescribed - but what the
inhaler allows you to do is get an exemption for testing positive for
corticoids. During stage races these drugs work wonders for recovery
from day to day. With the medical clearance for an inhaler you can pop
a bunch of prednisone or prednisolone and be ready to roll for the next
stage. Plus these drugs give a boost to the adrenal system and give a
bit of a euphoric rush. Definitely an unfair advantage and definitely
doping by anyone's standard.

Gorilla Critter wrote:
That's the truth brother. And for all you that think inhalers are no
big deal, there's a little truth there. The amounts of
corticosterioids are minimal if used as prescribed - but what the
inhaler allows you to do is get an exemption for testing positive for
corticoids. During stage races these drugs work wonders for recovery
from day to day. With the medical clearance for an inhaler you can pop
a bunch of prednisone or prednisolone and be ready to roll for the next
stage. Plus these drugs give a boost to the adrenal system and give a
bit of a euphoric rush. Definitely an unfair advantage and definitely
doping by anyone's standard.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar04/mar16news
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Gaumont also revealed the importance of having a doctor willing to write
justifications for certain products, notably corticoids. As Gaumont
explains it, there are no masking products, rather masking prescriptions.

"Here's how it works," he said. "The team doctor sends you to see an
allergy specialist. The specialist says you are allergic to dust mites
and prescribes a spray... When you go to a doping control, you declare
your allergy and that you have a prescription for Nasacort (a product
Gaumont says masks cortisone), which you used in the morning in a nasal
inhaler. At the same time, you've taken in injection of Kenacort (a
banned substance), since at the control they can't tell the difference
between a spray and an injection."
------

Bob Schwartz

Gorilla Critter wrote:

Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of

rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating".
First, I don't think it's really anything more than
absent-mindedness.


Uh, no it's a legal doping scam but you've gotta play by the rules -
and he didn't. Jump through the proper hoops and dope legally or get
suspended. Simple as that.


MagillaGorilla wrote:

Does anybody remember which athlete it was who said that these

breathing

inhalers and getting a medical exemption for asthma was all a big

joke

designed to cover up intentional doping?


Manzano - and he was right.



Sorry, but if you're a pro cyclist, you breathe just fine. If you're

an

asthamtic, you shouldn't be racing a bike for 6 hours a day.


That's the truth brother. And for all you that think inhalers are no
big deal, there's a little truth there. The amounts of
corticosterioids are minimal if used as prescribed - but what the
inhaler allows you to do is get an exemption for testing positive for
corticoids. During stage races these drugs work wonders for recovery
from day to day. With the medical clearance for an inhaler you can pop
a bunch of prednisone or prednisolone and be ready to roll for the next
stage. Plus these drugs give a boost to the adrenal system and give a
bit of a euphoric rush. Definitely an unfair advantage and definitely
doping by anyone's standard.



Nice job, cousin monkey. Now we're getting into some serious discussion
here. Finally, someone on RBR who isn't a clueless jackass.

Roland Green's little medical exemption certificate is nothing but a
carefully orchestrated scheme by himself to exploit the loophole in the
doping regulations and to use as a cover story to circumvent testing
positive for taking steroids which he does intentionally to enhance his
performance.

The Euros have been getting away with it for years. Green finally got on
the program.

How much do you want to bet Roland Green never had any problems
breathing until he was racing his bike for money?

Roland Green's excuse is like a weight lifter saying he has muscle
weakness every time he goes to lift a world record weight, so he needs
to take steroids to counter this "medical condition."


Magilla