"Who Knew" show Trek bike construction

On Mar 23, 10:38 am, Victor Kan wrote:
Looks like the bike-related episode is being replayed 3/27, 9-10pm
(EDT) for those of us who missed it. As usual, check your local
listings.

Doh, nevermind, I was looking at an out of date program guide. The
3/27 episode is on auto manufacturing, airbags and U.S. currency.

whatever happened to the idea for gluing carbon pipes into Ti or Al
lugs?


http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...323-BAT_2.html


Chinese ate the carbon?

datakoll wrote:
pre Nimbus ! add nylon and starch then croutch
does Yellow Jersey sell plastic frames?

Sure,f'rinstance new Bianchi Team 1885 is only half metal. Light!
Under a K w/headset & fork. Big news- Bianchi has a good team this year
just got a Td'F invite...
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mar 23, 3:17*pm, A Muzi wrote:
datakoll wrote:
pre Nimbus ! add nylon and starch then croutch
does Yellow Jersey sell plastic frames?

Sure,f'rinstance new Bianchi Team 1885 is only half metal. Light!
Under a K w/headset & fork. Big news- Bianchi has a good team this year
just got a Td'F invite...
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

any developments in the carbon pipe/metal lug area for fireroad mtb?

did you watch Coulthard's car come apart after getting a tap from the
Finn? then again going over a ]curb?
DC got out and kicked the rear tire a good one.
sprained his ankle and finished well down.

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datakoll wrote:

whatever happened to the idea for gluing carbon pipes into Ti or Al
lugs?

It's still a popular idea and there are bikes made that way, but there's
no need. the techniques for bonding the carbon pipes together (either
with pre-made lugs or using a wrap of carbon fibre at the joints) are
reasonably mature.

And the competing technique of molding monocoques in large sections (or
possibly entire frames?) is quite popular for series production.

If you still want a carbon-Ti bike, there are several to choose from:

http://www.merlinbike.com/bikes/2005/cielo.aspx

This one got it backwards:

http://www.veloeuropa.com/products/f...ts/osmose.html

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Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

you jest?

HOLY YUAN mature. the Madone is expensivo. melting aluminum, cutting
stock carbon pipe gotta be cheaper. definitley not as expensivo stinky

thought struck me looking over California trail riding up above Gorda,
an MTB with large diameter tubes could be or maybe the vibration's/
damping characteristics don't match.

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A Muzi wrote:

datakoll wrote:
pre Nimbus ! add nylon and starch then croutch
does Yellow Jersey sell plastic frames?

Sure,f'rinstance new Bianchi Team 1885 is only half metal. Light!
Under a K w/headset & fork. Big news- Bianchi has a good team this year
just got a Td'F invite...

Please stop that. One Gene is enough.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

In article
,
datakoll wrote:

On Mar 23, 3:17*pm, A Muzi wrote:
datakoll wrote:
pre Nimbus ! add nylon and starch then croutch
does Yellow Jersey sell plastic frames?

Sure,f'rinstance new Bianchi Team 1885 is only half metal. Light!
Under a K w/headset & fork. Big news- Bianchi has a good team this year
just got a Td'F invite...
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

any developments in the carbon pipe/metal lug area for fireroad mtb?

Well, no. But the way to go is Ti (available for less than $1000 if you
ask Mark "Habanero" Hickey nicely) or for extra lightness, try to find
someone eBaying last year's Scott carbon cross-country MTB bikes. Those
things are the basis of most of the ultra-light hardtails out there.

For value for money, that is, cheap lightness, you can't beat aluminum.
But for not much more money, you can get a bit lighter.

Motobecane (the new Taiwanese one) makes a hardtail called the "Fly"
that costs $1600 MSRP, and has an aluminum frame. It weighs 20 pounds
without pedals. For fire-roading, you could lose a pound or two by
dumping the suspension fork in exchange for a solid carbon fibre fork.

http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/XC_Hardt...t_123961.shtml

It is not the lightest MTB out there, but there's not much lighter.

Don't get too hung up on the materials. It's nice to think about, but
calculate the results, not the process. In the end, you have to ride the
weight and the components and the geometry. You don't really ride the
construction method.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

You don't really ride the
construction method.

have you ridden hard tail carbon ?
carbon pipes absorb road vibrations dsent thru wheels to rider or not?
that's the line on road carbon
dirt may not buzzz like amacite