MP wants cyclists banned-Morn. Pen.

From AUDAX dicussion list:

MP wants cyclists banned by Matt Doran

Mornington Peninsula Leader, May 25, 2004

Cyclists could be permanently banned from a windy stretch of the
Esplanade from Mt Martha to Safety Beach.

Mornington Liberal MP Robin Cooper has asked the State Government to
urgently consider banning cyclists from Dominion Rd, Mt Martha, to
Tassells Creek, Safety Beach, in the interests of public safety.

Mr Cooper said the stretch of road was extremely dangerous and there
had been a number of near-collisions when motorists tried to overtake
riders.

"It is a very narrow road with a single lane each way, and large
groups of riders can cause diabolical problems for motorists and
place
themselves at risk," he said.

"Banning bike riders will be safer for both motorists and the cyclists
themselves."

Senior-Sergeant Neal Aubert, of Mornignton police, said he would send
a letter to the Peninsula Safety Committee identifying the dangerous
safety situation on the Esplanade.

"Many drivers have to cross double white lines to pass the riders,
which is an offence that carries a $165 fine and three demerit
points,"
Sen-Sgt Aubert said.

Mornington Peninsula Council road safety officer Robin Tiffany agreed
the stetch of road was narrow and dangerous, but said banning cyclists
was not the solution.

"An education campaign could be run to make sure riders stay in single
file, and that motorists don't break the law out of frustration," he
said.

"There are some sections of that road where it is safe to overtake a
cyclist."

Adam Pyke, president of the Mornington Cycling Club, said banning
cyclists was a dramatic move and the real problem was speeding
motorists.

"Bike riders have been enjoying this very visual part of the peninsula
since the year dot. A ban would force cyclists on to Nepean
Highway,
which has higher speed limits and is even more dangerous for riders."

A spokesman for the Peninsula Peddlers, which has been the biggest
recreational cycling group on the peninsula since 1989, said it was
"totally wrong" to discriminate against cyclists.

He said a better solution would be to install a bike trail or lower
the speed limit.

Mornington police said any ban on cyclists could be enforced by
penalty fines and installing advisory signs.

STATISTICS

Between 1988 and 2003, there were four bicycle crashes on the stretch
of the Esplanade between Dominion Rd, Mt Martha, and Tassells Creek,
Safety
Beach, resulting in serious injuries. There were no fatalities.

Between 1989 and 2003, there were 46 serious-injury bicycle crashes in
the Mornington Peninsula. There were no fatalities.

In the same period, there were 36 fatalities resulting from motor
vehicle crashes in the peninsula and a further 545 crashes resulting
in
serious injuries.

"rickster" wrote

MP wants cyclists banned by Matt Doran

I would like politicians banned.

Mr Cooper said the stretch of road was extremely dangerous and there
had been a number of near-collisions when motorists tried to overtake
riders.

Who's at fault there?

"Many drivers have to cross double white lines to pass the riders,
which is an offence that carries a $165 fine and three demerit
points,"
Sen-Sgt Aubert said.

Then they shouldn't do it.

Theo

In article ,
(rickster) wrote:

Mornington Liberal MP Robin Cooper has asked the State Government to
urgently consider banning cyclists from Dominion Rd, Mt Martha, to
Tassells Creek, Safety Beach, in the interests of public safety.

Check out http://home.vicnet.net.au/~rcooper/ if anyone feels inclined to respond.

For those with short memories, he was Minister for Transport in the
Kennett government. Perhaps it's just as well he's only recently had
this brilliant idea.

--
Shane Stanley

Rickster wrote:
From AUDAX dicussion list: Cyclists could be permanently banned from a
windy stretch of the Esplanade from Mt Martha to Safety Beach.


Yeah, thanks. Was looking forward to participating in the Salute t
Irene Plowman in 2005


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Shane Stanley wrote:
For those with short memories, he was Minister for Transport in the
Kennett government. Perhaps it's just as well he's only recently had
this brilliant idea.
--
Shane Stanley


local word is that he's going down in the next elections (still very anti
liberal down that way from the Reith day

Just another ignorant **** who gets in prin


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Originally posted by Theo Bekkers "rickster" wrot

MP wants cyclists banned by Matt Dora

I would like politicians banned

Mr Cooper said the stretch of road was extremely dangerous and ther
had been a number of near-collisions when motorists tried t
overtake riders

Who's at fault there

"Many drivers have to cross double white lines to pass the riders
which is an offence that carries a $165 fine and three demeri
points," Sen-Sgt Aubert said

Then they shouldn't do it

Also, worth noting.. The stretch of road isnt dangerous, its the driver
behind the wheel that are.. Dont these local politicians have spi
doctors and people to read their media statements?? And have the
forgotten that the bike is a legitimate road vehicle


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"rickster" wrote in message
om...
From AUDAX dicussion list:

MP wants cyclists banned by Matt Doran

Mornington Peninsula Leader, May 25, 2004

Cyclists could be permanently banned from a windy stretch of the
Esplanade from Mt Martha to Safety Beach.

Mornington Liberal MP Robin Cooper has asked the State Government to
urgently consider banning cyclists from Dominion Rd, Mt Martha, to
Tassells Creek, Safety Beach, in the interests of public safety.

Mr Cooper said the stretch of road was extremely dangerous and there
had been a number of near-collisions when motorists tried to overtake
riders.

"It is a very narrow road with a single lane each way, and large
groups of riders can cause diabolical problems for motorists and
place
themselves at risk," he said.

"Banning bike riders will be safer for both motorists and the cyclists
themselves."

Senior-Sergeant Neal Aubert, of Mornignton police, said he would send
a letter to the Peninsula Safety Committee identifying the dangerous
safety situation on the Esplanade.

"Many drivers have to cross double white lines to pass the riders,
which is an offence that carries a $165 fine and three demerit
points,"
Sen-Sgt Aubert said.

Mornington Peninsula Council road safety officer Robin Tiffany agreed
the stetch of road was narrow and dangerous, but said banning cyclists
was not the solution.

"An education campaign could be run to make sure riders stay in single
file, and that motorists don't break the law out of frustration," he
said.

"There are some sections of that road where it is safe to overtake a
cyclist."

Adam Pyke, president of the Mornington Cycling Club, said banning
cyclists was a dramatic move and the real problem was speeding
motorists.

"Bike riders have been enjoying this very visual part of the peninsula
since the year dot. A ban would force cyclists on to Nepean
Highway,
which has higher speed limits and is even more dangerous for riders."

A spokesman for the Peninsula Peddlers, which has been the biggest
recreational cycling group on the peninsula since 1989, said it was
"totally wrong" to discriminate against cyclists.

He said a better solution would be to install a bike trail or lower
the speed limit.

Mornington police said any ban on cyclists could be enforced by
penalty fines and installing advisory signs.

STATISTICS

Between 1988 and 2003, there were four bicycle crashes on the stretch
of the Esplanade between Dominion Rd, Mt Martha, and Tassells Creek,
Safety
Beach, resulting in serious injuries. There were no fatalities.

Between 1989 and 2003, there were 46 serious-injury bicycle crashes in
the Mornington Peninsula. There were no fatalities.

In the same period, there were 36 fatalities resulting from motor
vehicle crashes in the peninsula and a further 545 crashes resulting
in
serious injuries.

I'm not in Victoria but I sure as hell hope you guys mount a strong defence
to these ignorant car loving, biased twits.
There needs to be some education there, and it isn't for cyclists.
Good luck and keep us posted.
regards

Andrew

http://www.geocities.com/andrewhooke...leTouring.html

I like how the drivers 'have to cross double white lines". Why is this?
Are they possessed at the time? What happened to being patient?

"Theo Bekkers" wrote in message
...
"rickster" wrote

MP wants cyclists banned by Matt Doran

I would like politicians banned.

Mr Cooper said the stretch of road was extremely dangerous and there
had been a number of near-collisions when motorists tried to overtake
riders.

Who's at fault there?

"Many drivers have to cross double white lines to pass the riders,
which is an offence that carries a $165 fine and three demerit
points,"
Sen-Sgt Aubert said.

Then they shouldn't do it.

Theo

Greetings,
My response is that the Minister in question can ****
off. I've ridden that bit of road many times and don't particularly like
it, but it is a public road and I have a right to ride on in if I want
to. I certainly prefer it to Moorooduc Rd, which is awful. How about
design the frigging road properly in the first place so both cars and
bicycles can use it? Too obvious, isn't it?
Regards,
Ray.

rickster wrote:

From AUDAX dicussion list:

MP wants cyclists banned by Matt Doran

Mornington Peninsula Leader, May 25, 2004

Cyclists could be permanently banned from a windy stretch of the
Esplanade from Mt Martha to Safety Beach.

Mornington Liberal MP Robin Cooper has asked the State Government to
urgently consider banning cyclists from Dominion Rd, Mt Martha, to
Tassells Creek, Safety Beach, in the interests of public safety.

Mr Cooper said the stretch of road was extremely dangerous and there
had been a number of near-collisions when motorists tried to overtake
riders.

"It is a very narrow road with a single lane each way, and large
groups of riders can cause diabolical problems for motorists and
place
themselves at risk," he said.

"Banning bike riders will be safer for both motorists and the cyclists
themselves."

Senior-Sergeant Neal Aubert, of Mornignton police, said he would send
a letter to the Peninsula Safety Committee identifying the dangerous
safety situation on the Esplanade.

"Many drivers have to cross double white lines to pass the riders,
which is an offence that carries a $165 fine and three demerit
points,"
Sen-Sgt Aubert said.

Mornington Peninsula Council road safety officer Robin Tiffany agreed
the stetch of road was narrow and dangerous, but said banning cyclists
was not the solution.

"An education campaign could be run to make sure riders stay in single
file, and that motorists don't break the law out of frustration," he
said.

"There are some sections of that road where it is safe to overtake a
cyclist."

Adam Pyke, president of the Mornington Cycling Club, said banning
cyclists was a dramatic move and the real problem was speeding
motorists.

"Bike riders have been enjoying this very visual part of the peninsula
since the year dot. A ban would force cyclists on to Nepean
Highway,
which has higher speed limits and is even more dangerous for riders."

A spokesman for the Peninsula Peddlers, which has been the biggest
recreational cycling group on the peninsula since 1989, said it was
"totally wrong" to discriminate against cyclists.

He said a better solution would be to install a bike trail or lower
the speed limit.

Mornington police said any ban on cyclists could be enforced by
penalty fines and installing advisory signs.

STATISTICS

Between 1988 and 2003, there were four bicycle crashes on the stretch
of the Esplanade between Dominion Rd, Mt Martha, and Tassells Creek,
Safety
Beach, resulting in serious injuries. There were no fatalities.

Between 1989 and 2003, there were 46 serious-injury bicycle crashes in
the Mornington Peninsula. There were no fatalities.

In the same period, there were 36 fatalities resulting from motor
vehicle crashes in the peninsula and a further 545 crashes resulting
in
serious injuries.

Ray Peace wrote:

My response is that the Minister in question can ****
off. I've ridden that bit of road many times and don't particularly like
it, but it is a public road and I have a right to ride on in if I want
to. I certainly prefer it to Moorooduc Rd, which is awful. How about
design the frigging road properly in the first place so both cars and
bicycles can use it? Too obvious, isn't it?

Obviously not.

I wonder how much havoc it would cause for cages when "their" road is
overtaken by cyclists during the around the bay in a day event?

But I suppose it doesn't matter, since the minister in question has never
been on a bike, and never likely to either.

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