Which hydraulic brakes to get? Juicy 7, Hope Mini, Magura Marta (SL or reg)?

Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system; what are your experiences with the above choices? Any other
ones out there I should consider? This will be going on my '03
Ellsworth Truth/XTR/Crossmax XL/Fox Talas bike, and I am interested in
some weight savings, but also wanted to maintain or improve outright
braking performance, modulation, and feel but keeping the rotor at a
manageable 160mm or less...I ride mostly XC, technical, and do not
huck or do crazy freeride/downhill.

"The Muncher" skrev i en meddelelse
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Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system; what are your experiences with the above choices? Any other
ones out there I should consider? This will be going on my '03
Ellsworth Truth/XTR/Crossmax XL/Fox Talas bike, and I am interested in
some weight savings, but also wanted to maintain or improve outright
braking performance, modulation, and feel but keeping the rotor at a
manageable 160mm or less...I ride mostly XC, technical, and do not
huck or do crazy freeride/downhill.

I would go for at pair og Formula B4 SL. Really really lightweight. About
600 grams per pair.

A friend of mine uses them and he is really satisfied. The brake just as
good as they look, thats for sure ( a matter of taste :-)

Think about it

Peet

"The Muncher" wrote in message
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Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system; what are your experiences with the above choices? Any other
ones out there I should consider? This will be going on my '03
Ellsworth Truth/XTR/Crossmax XL/Fox Talas bike, and I am interested in
some weight savings, but also wanted to maintain or improve outright
braking performance, modulation, and feel but keeping the rotor at a
manageable 160mm or less...I ride mostly XC, technical, and do not
huck or do crazy freeride/downhill.

I didn't think the Juicy 7 was out yet. My vote goes for the hope mini - set
them up right at first and they work excellently.

Steve.

"The Muncher" wrote in message
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Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system; what are your experiences with the above choices? Any other
ones out there I should consider? This will be going on my '03
Ellsworth Truth/XTR/Crossmax XL/Fox Talas bike, and I am interested in
some weight savings, but also wanted to maintain or improve outright
braking performance, modulation, and feel but keeping the rotor at a
manageable 160mm or less...I ride mostly XC, technical, and do not
huck or do crazy freeride/downhill.

The only disc I've owned is the Hope Mini, but I've ridden bikes with others
on, and ridden with people using other ones. I definitely, really _really_,
rate the Hopes - they stop, they slow to any desired degree in any riding
conditions, all the time every time, and they're tough. I don't know how
much they weigh, because Idon't care - I bought them because they work, very
well.



Shaun aRe - YMMV, but _only_ if you have the wheel size entered incorrectly.

"The Muncher" wrote in message
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Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system; what are your experiences with the above choices? Any other
ones out there I should consider? This will be going on my '03
Ellsworth Truth/XTR/Crossmax XL/Fox Talas bike, and I am interested in
some weight savings, but also wanted to maintain or improve outright
braking performance, modulation, and feel but keeping the rotor at a
manageable 160mm or less...I ride mostly XC, technical, and do not
huck or do crazy freeride/downhill.

It's all based on hearsay, but I was planning to upgrade with Hope Minis.
Alternatively, I've heard very good things about the Shimano XT brakes.
--
Westie

RE/
Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system;

I'd suggest trying the handles of all the candidates - just find a bike on
display somewhere, sit on it, and fool around with the handles.

Some handles fit some people's hands better than others...
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PeteCresswell

"The Muncher" wrote in message
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Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system; what are your experiences with the above choices? Any other
ones out there I should consider? This will be going on my '03
Ellsworth Truth/XTR/Crossmax XL/Fox Talas bike, and I am interested in
some weight savings, but also wanted to maintain or improve outright
braking performance, modulation, and feel but keeping the rotor at a
manageable 160mm or less...I ride mostly XC, technical, and do not
huck or do crazy freeride/downhill.

From the completely irrational department...

Get the Juicys. They'll be the slickest, coolest, neatest thing on two
wheels for the year or so after they're out, should work better than
anything else (given Avid's track record), and the staggering price
shouldn't matter to you, since the bike you're looking at is already what,
like 5G?

"No-one else has them" is reason enough for the Juicys. Why not.

Chris

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:16:00 GMT, "Chris"
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"The Muncher" wrote in message
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Hi, I wanted to upgrade my Avid mechanicals to a lightweight hydraulic
system; what are your experiences with the above choices? Any other
ones out there I should consider? This will be going on my '03
Ellsworth Truth/XTR/Crossmax XL/Fox Talas bike, and I am interested in
some weight savings, but also wanted to maintain or improve outright
braking performance, modulation, and feel but keeping the rotor at a
manageable 160mm or less...I ride mostly XC, technical, and do not
huck or do crazy freeride/downhill.

From the completely irrational department...

Get the Juicys. They'll be the slickest, coolest, neatest thing on two
wheels for the year or so after they're out, should work better than
anything else (given Avid's track record), and the staggering price
shouldn't matter to you, since the bike you're looking at is already what,
like 5G?

"No-one else has them" is reason enough for the Juicys. Why not.

Chris



Actually, it's more like 4.2G's...and price is no 'object' but I do
want the best because I am the best MUAHAHAHAH....

But seriously, I am more interested in lightweight and stopping power,
two traits that may be mutually exclusive when it comes to brakes.

thanks for all the responses...I guess I'll have to do a bit more
research, and reading mtbreview.com...

RE/
But seriously, I am more interested in lightweight and stopping power,
two traits that may be mutually exclusive when it comes to brakes.

Maybe others would disagree, but I'd say my disc brakes (Hope C2's and Avid
mechs) don't have any more stopping power than the v-brakes I had in their place
for a few days.

What they do have is a more sensitive feel (better modulation?) , one-finger
operation, better stopping power in heavy rain, tolerance of out-of-true wheels,
and no rim wear in muddy cnditions.
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PeteCresswell

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RE/
But seriously, I am more interested in lightweight and stopping power,
two traits that may be mutually exclusive when it comes to brakes.

Maybe others would disagree, but I'd say my disc brakes (Hope C2's and
Avid
mechs) don't have any more stopping power than the v-brakes I had in their
place
for a few days.

What they do have is a more sensitive feel (better modulation?) ,
one-finger
operation, better stopping power in heavy rain, tolerance of out-of-true
wheels,
and no rim wear in muddy cnditions.
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PeteCresswell

I was going to say something along those lines, too, but then the whole disc
v. V gates going.

I maintain that unless you're in some kind of constant slop, or are always
going with gravity, V's are the way to go. If you want to spend money, like
the OP, get Avid Ultimates...I did. They certainly are lighter than
hydraulics.

Of course, you're right about "more sensitive feel (better modulation?),
one-finger operation, better stopping power in heavy rain, tolerance of
out-of-true wheels, and no rim wear in muddy conditions, but the extra
weight and cost of replacement pads/hubs keeps me in V territory.

Chris