Power Meters?

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 2:39:22 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 10:51:23 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 om 18:45:34 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 5/8/2021 4:42 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 8 May 2021 02:35:45 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Ralph Barone
:

Read some Donald Norman or Bruce Tognazzi. Unfortunately, their teachings
appear to have fallen out of favour with whoever is programming modern
stuff. Right now the goal seems to be to make the user interface invisible
and completely inscrutable.
I heartily agree, and heartily complain. Examples abound. One member of
our extended family recently got a new refrigerator, and I volunteered
to hook up the water line for the in-door ice maker. But then I couldn't
figure out how to test it. I was sure the dim icons on the black panel
meant something to someone, but they might have been Martian code.

Vaguely related: Back in the 1970s, an artist friend of mine designed a
unique clock. It was a black panel with a series of hidden LEDs. The
LEDs lit up in an apparently random pattern, until you "got" the code..
Then you could read the time.

Back then it seemed to me a silly bit of exclusionary theater - "Hah, I
can tell time and you can't!" But the idea seems to have been adopted by
lots of gadget makers. "Look at our sleek black featureless control
panel. Isn't it cool?"

That's why I dislike almost every device having a touchscreen. I used a
Garmin GPSMap 60Csx for navigating on the bike, for a long time
which served me well.

https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/technik/komponenten/navi/IMG_1405.jpeg
A while ago, it got replaced by a GPSMap 64s, which has a faster
processor, more memory and slightly enhanced firmware.

https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/garmin64s.jpg

I am very glad that the user interface didn't change much. I can find
and touch the various buttons easily without looking at them, even with
gloves and when it is wet.
Finding and touching buttons is un-stylish and passe'. To change a
modern car's radio station, you have to take your eyes off the road to
look at a touchscreen. If that makes you hit a bicyclist, just use the
SMIDSY defense.


--
- Frank Krygowski
The worst user interface is on our coffee machine at work. The guy/girl that designed that should be shot on sight. Touchscreen, browsing, swiping WTF. You have to 'program' your cup of coffee. The undrinkable kind is for free, for the just bare-able kind you have to pay euro 0.33 with your card which takes ages. I brought my own coffee machine (Senseo machine, one button operation) to work and installed it in the coffee corner and told everyone they can use it if they don't make a mess. I do clean it every day. It is heavily used.
I've tried most coffee machine types and brand of coffee but cannot get the taste of the sort I used to have at work. Or in Paris.

? Ordinary "coffee" in Paris generally sucks. If you're an American and ask for a cup of black coffee, you get an Americano which is a watered-down espresso and not a drip or press process. Drip coffee as we drink it here in the US is not popular in Paris. Outside the US, I switch to espresso drinks.

Europe is also the land of super-auto one-button espresso machines, much more so than the US -- and great espresso is not the rule, IMO. I pour a better espresso in my home than many of the shops in I tried in Europe, although I'm partial to the Illy shops and like that blend. I like the Italian blends and roast profile, so Rome was good espresso -- at least when I bought at a good cafe and not a hotel restaurant or something.

The great thing is that cappuccinos are super-cheap and you can buy two -- or three or four. Same with gelato. You can get fat fast in Rome.

If you can't get your coffee to taste like work, then they probably had some proprietary blend. Assuming you get the same blend, any clean coffee maker that produces correct and stable heat should be able to make a good cup of coffee. My coffee maker is about as simple as they come, although I've gotten a custom-ish spray head for it. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....AC_SL1000_.jpg Zero features. Pull the pot when it is brewing, and coffee pours all over the counter.

Our work coffee is from some artisanal roasting company. I don't remember which one, since there is a coffee roaster under every rock in Portland.

This roaster was started by a guy I ride with: https://www.trailheadcoffeeroasters.com/ My first really, really good espresso was from a machine in his kitchen. Bike content: https://www.epicurious.com/archive/d...lhead-portland Charlie with his espresso bike.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Sat, 8 May 2021 16:42:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 5/8/2021 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
If you're
really desperate, hum a few bars, and various apps will find the tune
for you.
https://blog.google/products/search/hum-to-search/

I'll let you try humming a few bars of this to see if you can find it
elsewhe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaGoq3jsztQ

Well, I tried and failed. This is how it's suppose to work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW61PpKJGm8

Tune identification worked ok with tunes that had a distinctive and
repetitive melody (refrain). Google got 3 out 8 right the first time,
and the rest after I adjusted my microphone position. However, this
Klezmer composition isn't very repetitive and doesn't have a
distinctive tune. Klezmer can have repetition and variation, which
would be easy to hum and decode. Worse, it doesn't have distinctive
notes that can be hummed individually. For example, Hava Nagila
(Klezmer style) has a computer recognizable while Steven Greenman's
very nice composition mostly slides up and down the scale, not
stopping at any individual notes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GZLnzCX34

Ok, you win, for now. The media player of the future might not have
built in tune recognition in the user interface, but might accept
commands such as:
"Play the Klezmer tune I was listening to last week at about 7PM"
For now, I tried:
"Play Steven Greenman Klezmer music in Pandora"
That sorta worked. It found "Celebrate Klezmer" from the Holiday
album by Greenman under the Terkisher Freylekhs (Turkish Festive)
channel. Basically volin Klezmer in the Turkish style. Not too
shabby.

Fire up your Chrome browser or Google app and try it. Click on the
microphone icon in the search box. At this rate of progress, we might
soon be able to engage in an intelligent dialog with a microwave oven?
However, don't try it while riding your bicycle. Arguing with a
computer program is quite distracting (and frustrating).

Drivel: I used to hate Klezmer music. After playing a few tunes, I'm
beginning to like it. Thanks.

"What makes music sound Jewish"
https://jewishstudies.washington.edu/arts-culture/what-makes-music-sound-jewish/
-
--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 8 May 2021 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I prefer my Casio Solar that is totally electronic, recharges
from sunlight or even tabletop lamps and resets to accurate
time every time a GPS satellite passes overhead.

Nope. The Casio Solar Atomic G-Shock watches and others use WWVB (in
North America) at 60 KHz and not GPS at about 1.5 GHz.

"How Radio Controlled Casio Watches sync with Atomic Clock"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMb_8KocAA


--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 08 May 2021 19:09:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I prefer my Casio Solar that is totally electronic, recharges
from sunlight or even tabletop lamps and resets to accurate
time every time a GPS satellite passes overhead.

Nope. The Casio Solar Atomic G-Shock watches and others use WWVB (in
North America) at 60 KHz and not GPS at about 1.5 GHz.

"How Radio Controlled Casio Watches sync with Atomic Clock"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMb_8KocAA

Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/8/2021 11:45 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/8/2021 4:42 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 8 May 2021 02:35:45 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Ralph Barone
:

Read some Donald Norman or Bruce Tognazzi. Unfortunately,
their teachings
appear to have fallen out of favour with whoever is
programming modern
stuff. Right now the goal seems to be to make the user
interface invisible
and completely inscrutable.

I heartily agree, and heartily complain. Examples abound.
One member of our extended family recently got a new
refrigerator, and I volunteered to hook up the water line
for the in-door ice maker. But then I couldn't figure out
how to test it. I was sure the dim icons on the black panel
meant something to someone, but they might have been Martian
code.

Vaguely related: Back in the 1970s, an artist friend of mine
designed a unique clock. It was a black panel with a series
of hidden LEDs. The LEDs lit up in an apparently random
pattern, until you "got" the code. Then you could read the
time.

Back then it seemed to me a silly bit of exclusionary
theater - "Hah, I can tell time and you can't!" But the idea
seems to have been adopted by lots of gadget makers. "Look
at our sleek black featureless control panel. Isn't it cool?"


That's why I dislike almost every device having a
touchscreen. I used a
Garmin GPSMap 60Csx for navigating on the bike, for a long
time
which served me well.

https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/technik/komponenten/navi/IMG_1405.jpeg

A while ago, it got replaced by a GPSMap 64s, which has a
faster
processor, more memory and slightly enhanced firmware.

https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/garmin64s.jpg

I am very glad that the user interface didn't change much.
I can find
and touch the various buttons easily without looking at
them, even with
gloves and when it is wet.

Finding and touching buttons is un-stylish and passe'. To
change a modern car's radio station, you have to take your
eyes off the road to look at a touchscreen. If that makes
you hit a bicyclist, just use the SMIDSY defense.



I can't make heads nor tails of many pictograms, no idea, or
even a guess, what the author intended. As if reading
heiroglyphics; 'the water buffalo means rice but the ox
means wheat'. Sketched in four lines they don't look
different to me.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/8/2021 8:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Drivel: I used to hate Klezmer music. After playing a few tunes, I'm
beginning to like it. Thanks.

Klezmer isn't one of my top favorite genres, but I like some of it. And
Stephen Greenman is amazing. I first heard him performing with the
Eastern European band Harmonia, e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfbZL4o8RO8
and I've heard him in solo performances and workshops. Seems like a nice
guy, too.

To tie klezmer to bicycling: During our first vacation-with-bikes (not
really a classic bike tour) in mainland Europe, we visited Krakow twice.
The second time we scored a really nice apartment in Kazimiersz, the
former Jewish suburb of Krakow. We went out walking that evening and
stumbled on a little club with an excellent trio doing klezmer-ish
music. It was a fun evening and we left with a CD of the group.

Fast forward a few years, and I decided to lead a new series of rides
for our club, "Ethnic Restaurant Rides." Meet in a parking lot and ride
a leisurely 25 miles, including lunch at an ethnic restaurant, which
was kept secret until we arrive.

It was important for me to pick only restaurants that played ethnically
appropriate music. And I really wanted one ride to be to our locally
famous Jewish deli; but the young owner/manager is into blues! So I went
there ahead of time and talked to his 90+ year old mother (who founded
the restaurant), gave her a copy of the Kazimiersz CD, and got her to
promise it would be playing when we arrived. It all worked splendidly.

"What makes music sound Jewish"
https://jewishstudies.washington.edu/arts-culture/what-makes-music-sound-jewish/

Interesting! I'd like to see something like that explaining a wide
variety of musical genres.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/8/2021 12:51 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 om 18:45:34 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 5/8/2021 4:42 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 8 May 2021 02:35:45 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Ralph Barone
:

Read some Donald Norman or Bruce Tognazzi. Unfortunately, their teachings
appear to have fallen out of favour with whoever is programming modern
stuff. Right now the goal seems to be to make the user interface invisible
and completely inscrutable.
I heartily agree, and heartily complain. Examples abound. One member of
our extended family recently got a new refrigerator, and I volunteered
to hook up the water line for the in-door ice maker. But then I couldn't
figure out how to test it. I was sure the dim icons on the black panel
meant something to someone, but they might have been Martian code.

Vaguely related: Back in the 1970s, an artist friend of mine designed a
unique clock. It was a black panel with a series of hidden LEDs. The
LEDs lit up in an apparently random pattern, until you "got" the code.
Then you could read the time.

Back then it seemed to me a silly bit of exclusionary theater - "Hah, I
can tell time and you can't!" But the idea seems to have been adopted by
lots of gadget makers. "Look at our sleek black featureless control
panel. Isn't it cool?"

That's why I dislike almost every device having a touchscreen. I used a
Garmin GPSMap 60Csx for navigating on the bike, for a long time
which served me well.

https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/technik/komponenten/navi/IMG_1405.jpeg
A while ago, it got replaced by a GPSMap 64s, which has a faster
processor, more memory and slightly enhanced firmware.

https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/garmin64s.jpg

I am very glad that the user interface didn't change much. I can find
and touch the various buttons easily without looking at them, even with
gloves and when it is wet.
Finding and touching buttons is un-stylish and passe'. To change a
modern car's radio station, you have to take your eyes off the road to
look at a touchscreen. If that makes you hit a bicyclist, just use the
SMIDSY defense.


--
- Frank Krygowski

The worst user interface is on our coffee machine at work. The guy/girl that designed that should be shot on sight. Touchscreen, browsing, swiping WTF. You have to 'program' your cup of coffee. The undrinkable kind is for free, for the just bare-able kind you have to pay euro 0.33 with your card which takes ages. I brought my own coffee machine (Senseo machine, one button operation) to work and installed it in the coffee corner and told everyone they can use it if they don't make a mess. I do clean it every day. It is heavily used.

Lou


I paid IIRC $5 for mine used about 35 years ago:

https://barnimages.com/wp-content/up...images-004.jpg

Brews great coffee; no stress, no codes, no disposable
filters, no troubles.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2021 19:09:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I prefer my Casio Solar that is totally electronic, recharges
from sunlight or even tabletop lamps and resets to accurate
time every time a GPS satellite passes overhead.

Nope. The Casio Solar Atomic G-Shock watches and others use WWVB (in
North America) at 60 KHz and not GPS at about 1.5 GHz.

"How Radio Controlled Casio Watches sync with Atomic Clock"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMb_8KocAA

Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)

Yep. Smart watches are currently the rage:
https://www.google.com/search?q=smar****ch&hl=en&tbm=isch
I don't have one (yet) but I've been playing with those owned by
friends. One nice feature is that the Bluetooth connection to the
smartphone can be used to initiate or answer phone calls. Some have
various medical recorders (pulse oximeter, temperature, afib
detection, ECG, etc):
https://www.apple.com/healthcare/apple-watch/
Of course, they are now wearable cycling computahs:
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/g20023538/9-great-smart-watches-for-cyclists/
or radiation detectors:
https://www.mtmwatch.com/collections/special-ops/rad/

What's a "cell phone"? You need a smartphone so you too can practice
distracted driving, acting rude, poking the screen, and have it run
your life. Soon, everyone will have a smartphone. Oh wait... they
already do.



--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Am Sun, 09 May 2021 09:54:42 -0500 schrieb AMuzi :

On 5/8/2021 12:51 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 om 18:45:34 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 5/8/2021 4:42 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 8 May 2021 02:35:45 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Ralph Barone
:

Read some Donald Norman or Bruce Tognazzi. Unfortunately, their teachings
appear to have fallen out of favour with whoever is programming modern
stuff. Right now the goal seems to be to make the user interface invisible
and completely inscrutable.
I heartily agree, and heartily complain. Examples abound. One member of
our extended family recently got a new refrigerator, and I volunteered
to hook up the water line for the in-door ice maker. But then I couldn't
figure out how to test it. I was sure the dim icons on the black panel
meant something to someone, but they might have been Martian code.

Vaguely related: Back in the 1970s, an artist friend of mine designed a
unique clock. It was a black panel with a series of hidden LEDs. The
LEDs lit up in an apparently random pattern, until you "got" the code.
Then you could read the time.

Back then it seemed to me a silly bit of exclusionary theater - "Hah, I
can tell time and you can't!" But the idea seems to have been adopted by
lots of gadget makers. "Look at our sleek black featureless control
panel. Isn't it cool?"

That's why I dislike almost every device having a touchscreen. I used a
Garmin GPSMap 60Csx for navigating on the bike, for a long time
which served me well.

https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/technik/komponenten/navi/IMG_1405.jpeg
A while ago, it got replaced by a GPSMap 64s, which has a faster
processor, more memory and slightly enhanced firmware.

https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/garmin64s.jpg

I am very glad that the user interface didn't change much. I can find
and touch the various buttons easily without looking at them, even with
gloves and when it is wet.
Finding and touching buttons is un-stylish and passe'. To change a
modern car's radio station, you have to take your eyes off the road to
look at a touchscreen. If that makes you hit a bicyclist, just use the
SMIDSY defense.


--
- Frank Krygowski

The worst user interface is on our coffee machine at work. The guy/girl that designed that should be shot on sight. Touchscreen, browsing, swiping WTF. You have to 'program' your cup of coffee. The undrinkable kind is for free, for the just bare-able kind you have to pay euro 0.33 with your card which takes ages. I brought my
own coffee machine (Senseo machine, one button operation) to work and installed it in the coffee corner and told everyone they can use it if they don't make a mess. I do clean it every day. It is heavily used.

Lou


I paid IIRC $5 for mine used about 35 years ago:

https://barnimages.com/wp-content/up...images-004.jpg

Brews great coffee; no stress, no codes, no disposable
filters, no troubles.

Indeed.

Ours, about as old, still in use.

http://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/bialetti.jpg

Replacement parts are still available.

--
Wir danken für die Beachtung aller Sicherheitsbestimmungen

On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-7, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 09 May 2021 09:54:42 -0500 schrieb AMuzi :

On 5/8/2021 12:51 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 om 18:45:34 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 5/8/2021 4:42 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 8 May 2021 02:35:45 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Ralph Barone
:

Read some Donald Norman or Bruce Tognazzi. Unfortunately, their teachings
appear to have fallen out of favour with whoever is programming modern
stuff. Right now the goal seems to be to make the user interface invisible
and completely inscrutable.
I heartily agree, and heartily complain. Examples abound. One member of
our extended family recently got a new refrigerator, and I volunteered
to hook up the water line for the in-door ice maker. But then I couldn't
figure out how to test it. I was sure the dim icons on the black panel
meant something to someone, but they might have been Martian code.

Vaguely related: Back in the 1970s, an artist friend of mine designed a
unique clock. It was a black panel with a series of hidden LEDs. The
LEDs lit up in an apparently random pattern, until you "got" the code..
Then you could read the time.

Back then it seemed to me a silly bit of exclusionary theater - "Hah, I
can tell time and you can't!" But the idea seems to have been adopted by
lots of gadget makers. "Look at our sleek black featureless control
panel. Isn't it cool?"

That's why I dislike almost every device having a touchscreen. I used a
Garmin GPSMap 60Csx for navigating on the bike, for a long time
which served me well.

https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/technik/komponenten/navi/IMG_1405.jpeg
A while ago, it got replaced by a GPSMap 64s, which has a faster
processor, more memory and slightly enhanced firmware.

https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/garmin64s.jpg

I am very glad that the user interface didn't change much. I can find
and touch the various buttons easily without looking at them, even with
gloves and when it is wet.
Finding and touching buttons is un-stylish and passe'. To change a
modern car's radio station, you have to take your eyes off the road to
look at a touchscreen. If that makes you hit a bicyclist, just use the
SMIDSY defense.


--
- Frank Krygowski

The worst user interface is on our coffee machine at work. The guy/girl that designed that should be shot on sight. Touchscreen, browsing, swiping WTF. You have to 'program' your cup of coffee. The undrinkable kind is for free, for the just bare-able kind you have to pay euro 0.33 with your card which takes ages. I brought my
own coffee machine (Senseo machine, one button operation) to work and installed it in the coffee corner and told everyone they can use it if they don't make a mess. I do clean it every day. It is heavily used.

Lou


I paid IIRC $5 for mine used about 35 years ago:

https://barnimages.com/wp-content/up...images-004.jpg

Brews great coffee; no stress, no codes, no disposable
filters, no troubles.
Indeed.

Ours, about as old, still in use.

http://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/bialetti.jpg

Replacement parts are still available.
--
Wir danken für die Beachtung aller Sicherheitsbestimmungen

Moka pots are kind of their own thing, and I think of the results as a hybrid between espresso and drip -- or under expressed espresso.

My espresso machine has to be switched on and warmed up, but after that, its good to go -- no stress, no codes, no disposable filters, no trouble -- usually. I just changed out the vibe pump, although it wasn't really necessary, and replaced a boiler element a few years ago, and descaling a double-boiler can be tricky without the right tools, but then again, you get worthy espresso -- and you can foam milk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF09...hannel=BenPiff With guests, however, you end up trapped making espresso drinks. I like ordinary drip for breakfast coffee -- you can make it in bulk. It's not as punchy as a moka pot coffee, but for me that is a good thing.

-- Jay Beattie.