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Alex Rodriguez wrote:
Shimano makes low end groups that lag behind their high end groups, so 9 speed will be around for a while. Campy makes no low end groups, so they will probably phase out 9 well before shimano. Bzzzt, thanks for playing, but Campy *does* make low end groups. Campy's road groups, in descending order, a Record Chorus Centaur Veloce Mirage Xenon Even giving the benefit of the doubt and equating Chorus with Dura-Ace, this list seems to have Campy going as far down as anything Shimano sells for non-XMart bikes. I've never seen anything below Veloce sold separately, though I've seen Mirage OEM'd on Bianchis. I expect one could order Mirage through a reliable LBS. Further, the fact that all Campy nine-speed cassettes and nearly all other Campy 9-speed parts are interchangeable means there is a vast stock of usable NOS Campy 9-speed parts out there, for whatever Campy 9-speed system you've got. Just *try* to get parts for relatively recent Shimano stuff (as I have) and see how far you get. Mark (Veloce is a great bargain) Janeba |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote in message ...
In article , says... Time to abandon my 7 speed, bar end shifting Shimano set up on my old Trek 2120 in favor of modern brake/shifter levers. I recently had to replace the rear wheel with so I have a 8/9 speed hub currently running the 7 speed cassette with a spacer. I greatly prefer the ergonomics of the Campy shifters over Shimano STI so my plan is to get Campagnolo Centaur 9s shifters, a Veloce long cage rder, and a 9s Ultegra cassette. I understand that this combination should work, but am having some doubts for the following reasons: 1. Campy is rapidly phasing out 9 speed (I would be buying '03 Centaur to get the 9 speed version), with Shimano presumably to follow over the next few years. I wonder if I would be better off getting 10 speed Ergos with an adapter to run a 9 speed cassette for now. I don't particularly care about 10 speed vs. 9 speed but I do care about parts availability and options over the long term. Should I be concerned? Shimano makes low end groups that lag behind their high end groups, so 9 speed will be around for a while. Campy makes no low end groups, so they will probably phase out 9 well before shimano. ------------- Alex Actually Campy makes plenty of low end stuff - you just rarely see it in the US. No LBS in my area carries anything below Chorus. It's hard to get a hands on look at Centaur, let alone Mirage or Xenon. You have to order it sight unseen. I was lucky to find a LBS that had a stock bike with a Xenon, which was helpful in confirming that even Campy plastic is still just plastic. |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote in message ...
In article , says... Time to abandon my 7 speed, bar end shifting Shimano set up on my old Trek 2120 in favor of modern brake/shifter levers. I recently had to replace the rear wheel with so I have a 8/9 speed hub currently running the 7 speed cassette with a spacer. I greatly prefer the ergonomics of the Campy shifters over Shimano STI so my plan is to get Campagnolo Centaur 9s shifters, a Veloce long cage rder, and a 9s Ultegra cassette. I understand that this combination should work, but am having some doubts for the following reasons: 1. Campy is rapidly phasing out 9 speed (I would be buying '03 Centaur to get the 9 speed version), with Shimano presumably to follow over the next few years. I wonder if I would be better off getting 10 speed Ergos with an adapter to run a 9 speed cassette for now. I don't particularly care about 10 speed vs. 9 speed but I do care about parts availability and options over the long term. Should I be concerned? Shimano makes low end groups that lag behind their high end groups, so 9 speed will be around for a while. Campy makes no low end groups, so they will probably phase out 9 well before shimano. ------------- I agree with this in part. For road groups, Shimano still sells sora/tiagra which is 8 speed. So, I agree that shimano 9 will still be around in the future, just on a *lower* level, e.g., 105/sora/tiagra (which btw still works really well!) As for Campy, they do make "lower" groups. Yes, Xenon and Mirage are available as 9 speed. In fact, Campy still offers 9 speed for all groups from Record to Xenon. The problem is most catalogs, e.g., mail order/internet companies, only list Campy 10 stuff. This will happen to shimano too as it ramps up sales of its ultegra 10 and soon 105 10..... |
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alex- Campy makes no low end groups,
so they will probably phase out 9 well before shimano. BRBR '10 speed' does not high end make. Mirage, Veloce and even Xenon(OEM) can all be defined as less expensive groups on par(superior?) to the shimano equivalents, like Sora, Tiagra and 105. Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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A problem for the class: has anyone put the left cam in the right
shifter ? Ergo/Simplex Retro Friction anyone ? BRBR Since it is 'mirror image', it cannot be done. Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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(bfd) wrote in message . com...
Alex Rodriguez wrote in message ... In article , says... Time to abandon my 7 speed, bar end shifting Shimano set up on my old Trek 2120 in favor of modern brake/shifter levers. I recently had to replace the rear wheel with so I have a 8/9 speed hub currently running the 7 speed cassette with a spacer. I greatly prefer the ergonomics of the Campy shifters over Shimano STI so my plan is to get Campagnolo Centaur 9s shifters, a Veloce long cage rder, and a 9s Ultegra cassette. I understand that this combination should work, but am having some doubts for the following reasons: 1. Campy is rapidly phasing out 9 speed (I would be buying '03 Centaur to get the 9 speed version), with Shimano presumably to follow over the next few years. I wonder if I would be better off getting 10 speed Ergos with an adapter to run a 9 speed cassette for now. I don't particularly care about 10 speed vs. 9 speed but I do care about parts availability and options over the long term. Should I be concerned? Shimano makes low end groups that lag behind their high end groups, so 9 speed will be around for a while. Campy makes no low end groups, so they will probably phase out 9 well before shimano. ------------- I agree with this in part. For road groups, Shimano still sells sora/tiagra which is 8 speed. So, I agree that shimano 9 will still be around in the future, just on a *lower* level, e.g., 105/sora/tiagra (which btw still works really well!) As for Campy, they do make "lower" groups. Yes, Xenon and Mirage are available as 9 speed. In fact, Campy still offers 9 speed for all groups from Record to Xenon. The problem is most catalogs, e.g., mail order/internet companies, only list Campy 10 stuff. This will happen to shimano too as it ramps up sales of its ultegra 10 and soon 105 10..... Tiagra is actually a 9 speed group . I have a mix of tiagra & 105 on my primary ride. My plan was to upgrage to Campy when the stuff crapped out . Now i'm in my second season & going strong. The shifting is very good but my previous bike was Athena downtube friction w/ regina freewheel. Anything is a big improvement. I'm still going Campy when the time is right. : ) |
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(WTD) wrote in message om...
Time to abandon my 7 speed, bar end shifting Shimano set up on my old Trek 2120 in favor of modern brake/shifter levers. I recently had to replace the rear wheel with so I have a 8/9 speed hub currently running the 7 speed cassette with a spacer. I greatly prefer the ergonomics of the Campy shifters over Shimano STI so my plan is to get Campagnolo Centaur 9s shifters, a Veloce long cage rder, and a 9s Ultegra cassette. I understand that this combination should work, but am having some doubts for the following reasons: 1. Campy is rapidly phasing out 9 speed (I would be buying '03 Centaur to get the 9 speed version), with Shimano presumably to follow over the next few years. I wonder if I would be better off getting 10 speed Ergos with an adapter to run a 9 speed cassette for now. I don't particularly care about 10 speed vs. 9 speed but I do care about parts availability and options over the long term. Should I be concerned? 2. In researching Shimagnolo adapter options I have run across some claims that while running 9s Ergo with a Campy rder and 9s Shimano hub will work OK up to a point, it would still be better to use a conversion cassette or something like the Shiftmate (http://www.jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm) to get the best possible shifting. Is that true or am I worrying too much? The Shiftmate is relatively inexpensive (presuming it works) but conversion cassettes are not. Cost is an issue, but I don't wan't to come out of this with mediocre shifting. Any advice or direct experiences with these options would be appreciated. I use 10spd ergo with 9spd cranks, Ultegra and Centaur FD, Shimano (13-25) cassette and both Ultegra (long cage) and Centaur (medium cage) 10spd RD. I wired the Ultegra on the opposite side as described on the hubbub page. I switched the derailleurs to Centaur 10 only because I got a good deal on them. I use the limit screws to control RD movement. All combos worked fine with quick shifts up and down and really no fussing around. I have also used a American Classic 10spd with the centaur and glad to report after small adjustment it works just perfectly as well. AC Cassette was $65 on sale from Cambria. For some reason cassettes have gone through the roof so I otherwise to stick to replacing cogs on what was originally a 105 spd cassette. I DO have to keep the chain and cables clean but I think this applies in any situation. If you're in northern MA you're welcome to check out the drivetrain yourself. |
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I run 9spd Ergo with Racing Triple rdr and 9spd dura ace cogs.I replaced one
shimano spacer with a 9spd campy spacer. Shifts great. Also have a bike with 10spd ergos and 9spd xtr rdr and 9spd shimano cogs. it shifts well also. I had to change the cable on the rdr. B (remove clothes to reply) |
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