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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote in message ... My apology if this is off topic. I just launched a new bicycle web site that has the following goals: - Help people shopping for a new bicycle - Give basic mechanic skills that will be helpful to keep your bicycles in good shape over time Here are the current sections I cover: -The basics -Major types of bicycles -Choosing the right bicycle -After you buy I hope you like it. Your feedback will be appreciated. http://bikes.jump-gate.com/ from http://bikes.jump-gate.com/basics.shtml- "The frame of a bicycle is one of the most important component we will look at. It defines the comportment of the bicycle on the road. The frame being a great amount of the overall material making the bicycle, it also affects its weight quite noticeably. Some lower-cost bicycles still use steel tubing. You should avoid this type of frame as much as possible. Nowadays, most frames are made of various alloys. The most current one is aluminum. When the first aluminum bicycles were put on market, many exhibited soldering problem and were subject to break under heavy usage. This is not a concern anymore . You can safely buy an aluminum frame in all confidence. Aluminum as become the common frame material for mid to high end bicycles. At the end of the spectrum, we are seeing carbon frames. Carbon frames have many advantages. They are very strong (resistant), and at the same time, more flexible than aluminum tubes. What does it implies? While they are more robust, the small flexion they allow creates a frame that is more comfortable to ride. That is because the high energy found in small vibrations coming from the road imperfections is dissipated by these flexion, instead of being fully transmitted to the cyclist. What is good for the comfort of the cyclist is unfortunately bad for the energy efficiency of the bicycle. As the cyclist pushes on the pedals, the frame absorbs a percentage of the cyclist energy. That energy will never get transmitted in the transmission system of the bicycle. Many high-end race bicycles uses carbon forks to provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance. This is a far lighter way to provide shock absorption than using real shock absorbers, which would be unpractical on race bicycles. " #1: Aluminum is not the "most current" frame material. It's been around for ages. #2: You cannot "safely" by a frame made of aluminum, any more than you can any other material. It's not the material, it's how it's used that makes the difference. There are aluminum frames that will outlive the owner, and there are aluminum frames whose lack of a warranty is for very good reason. #3: Carbon frame are "...unfortunately bad for the energy efficeincy of the bicycle" and carbon forks "..provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance." ??? Somebody better have a conversation with the Grand Tour racers about this one; apparently, they could all ride a lot faster if they ditched their carbon frames & forks? #4: Reading through the site, the type of grammatical errors make it seem that it's not original, but has been translated from a different language (and not always very well). Next, check out http://bikes.jump-gate.com/types_bikes.shtml, where you discover, I think, that a "road bike" is different from a "racing bike" because it has a taller head tube and, most likely, a sloping top tube. I could swear I've seen this all before, but don't remember where. Whatever the case, it's very unfortunate that people might read some of the information and believe it. As is often the case, there's some practical info that makes sense, and perhaps just enough of it to make someone believe the rest of it. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com I've heard three water bottles are required on fleecy frames to dampen oscillatory motion about the gravitational exception tubulerosity which exists in all traditional frame design. A good reason for using recumbents. You can die of thirst. Trevor |
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Contrary to what you assumed, the totality of the content found on this
site was written by me. Nothing was taken from somewhere else. It is all based on my own experience only. Marc: I was probably a bit too strident in my comments, and apologize that I came across a bit too strongly. Unfortunately, yes, there are still a lot of grammatical errors. I am working on it. English is not my native language. That may explain it. I will do my best to better polish the text. Which explains the sense of familiarity I had when reading it. It reads a bit like a translation from French, but much cleaner than what Google would have done (which can sometimes be quite amusing). I think one red flag that went up was the lack of personaliztion; instead, the first thing you see are the Google ads on the side of the page, and get the idea that somebody might have thrown up a page with the sole intent of generating advertising revenue. I think a brief "about me" section when somebody comes to the page would be a good thing. #1: Aluminum is not the "most current" frame material. It's been around for ages. To my point of view, aluminum is the most currently sold frame material for the general public type of bikes. Carbon is close-by, but still a notch on the high-end market. Here the language thing is causing a bit of trouble. "Most current" would typically mean that it's the most-recent type of material used. "Most common" would be the choice to describe something that's used on most bikes. #3: Carbon frame are "...unfortunately bad for the energy efficeincy of the bicycle" and carbon forks "..provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance." ??? Somebody better have a conversation with the Grand Tour racers about this one; apparently, they could all ride a lot faster if they ditched their carbon frames & forks? Carbon does flex a bit more than an equivalent-made aluminum frame or fork I believe (I use a racer bike that has a carbon fork). It does not make carbon a bad material for bikes. If I said that, please let me know so I can rectify. I may have forgot to emphasizes that structural flexion is not the only factor. Weight is also playing big for the Grand Tour racers like you said. Any other important factor I should add? Let me know. That was probably the section that caused the most trouble for me. Carbon fiber works so well in bicycles because it's incredibly light, very strong and doesn't carry vibration the way metals do. That gives it a different "feel" but it has nothing to do with efficiency. In fact, no material presently used in bicycle frames flexes in a way that it actually absorbs energy, at least not on a scale that's meaningful. What does happen is that a particular design might flex in a manner that's annoying or might cause handling difficulties. But even that is more a function of design than it is the material used. Next, check out http://bikes.jump-gate.com/types_bikes.shtml, where you discover, I think, that a "road bike" is different from a "racing bike" because it has a taller head tube and, most likely, a sloping top tube. This site is for casual cyclist at first. I did not go in detail on that section I agree. I can add more details you may provide on what differentiate race bikes from road bikes. The issue is at least partly definitional. "Road bike" is an all-encompassing term that generally includes any bike with downturned (or "drop") handlebars. Within the "Road bike" category are various sub-categories, such as- Criterium bike (very steep angles, twitchy handling, feels really fast but often delivers a rather punishing ride, probably a result of the very short wheelbase and position over the rear wheel) Classic road bike (more moderate angles & wheelbase, and suitable for day-after-day racing and often the best choice for high-performance sport riding, such as doing centuries. This category represents the largest number of road bikes sold, and for good reason. The same things that a racer wants are what many others do- high-performance, light weight, and reasonable comfort). "Comfort" road bike (a relatively new category, designed to allow for a higher handlebar relative to the saddle, and often a shorter distance from seat to handlebars. Sometimes these bikes will even have extra brake levers across the top of the handlebars, to allow braking when you're in a more upright position). Touring bike (longer wheelbase to distribute the load over the wheels better and enhance stability & comfort, plus components & frame chosen for durability over light weight). CycloCross (something between a touring and road bike) etc etc Again, sorry that I came across a bit too strongly. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member "Marc B" wrote in message ... Mike, thanks for your critical feedback. I am taking your remarks seriously and will look into these issues. First off, let me just precise that this site is targeting people with little experience in bikes that want some help to make better decisions as they shop. This of course is not an excuse for inaccuracies found on the site, which I should of course correct. This site will probably look very pale for experts, and it is not my intention to target these people as such... They know as good as me (or better) how to pick a good bike! That being said, read my comments below... Regards. "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in om: #1: Aluminum is not the "most current" frame material. It's been around for ages. To my point of view, aluminum is the most currently sold frame material for the general public type of bikes. Carbon is close-by, but still a notch on the high-end market. #2: You cannot "safely" by a frame made of aluminum, any more than you can any other material. It's not the material, it's how it's used that makes the difference. There are aluminum frames that will outlive the owner, and there are aluminum frames whose lack of a warranty is for very good reason. I was referring to older generations, back in time, when aluminum was the new big thing, but even then, you may have a point. #3: Carbon frame are "...unfortunately bad for the energy efficeincy of the bicycle" and carbon forks "..provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance." ??? Somebody better have a conversation with the Grand Tour racers about this one; apparently, they could all ride a lot faster if they ditched their carbon frames & forks? Carbon does flex a bit more than an equivalent-made aluminum frame or fork I believe (I use a racer bike that has a carbon fork). It does not make carbon a bad material for bikes. If I said that, please let me know so I can rectify. I may have forgot to emphasizes that structural flexion is not the only factor. Weight is also playing big for the Grand Tour racers like you said. Any other important factor I should add? Let me know. #4: Reading through the site, the type of grammatical errors make it seem that it's not original, but has been translated from a different language (and not always very well). Unfortunately, yes, there are still a lot of grammatical errors. I am working on it. English is not my native language. That may explain it. I will do my best to better polish the text. Next, check out http://bikes.jump-gate.com/types_bikes.shtml, where you discover, I think, that a "road bike" is different from a "racing bike" because it has a taller head tube and, most likely, a sloping top tube. This site is for casual cyclist at first. I did not go in detail on that section I agree. I can add more details you may provide on what differentiate race bikes from road bikes. I could swear I've seen this all before, but don't remember where. Whatever the case, it's very unfortunate that people might read some of the information and believe it. As is often the case, there's some practical info that makes sense, and perhaps just enough of it to make someone believe the rest of it. Contrary to what you assumed, the totality of the content found on this site was written by me. Nothing was taken from somewhere else. It is all based on my own experience only. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com Thanks for your valuable inputs mike. If you would like to suggest text corrections, I will gladly consider your suggestions. Regards. Marc B. |
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Contrary to what you assumed, the totality of the content found on this
site was written by me. Nothing was taken from somewhere else. It is all based on my own experience only. Marc: I was probably a bit too strident in my comments, and apologize that I came across a bit too strongly. Unfortunately, yes, there are still a lot of grammatical errors. I am working on it. English is not my native language. That may explain it. I will do my best to better polish the text. Which explains the sense of familiarity I had when reading it. It reads a bit like a translation from French, but much cleaner than what Google would have done (which can sometimes be quite amusing). I think one red flag that went up was the lack of personaliztion; instead, the first thing you see are the Google ads on the side of the page, and get the idea that somebody might have thrown up a page with the sole intent of generating advertising revenue. I think a brief "about me" section when somebody comes to the page would be a good thing. #1: Aluminum is not the "most current" frame material. It's been around for ages. To my point of view, aluminum is the most currently sold frame material for the general public type of bikes. Carbon is close-by, but still a notch on the high-end market. Here the language thing is causing a bit of trouble. "Most current" would typically mean that it's the most-recent type of material used. "Most common" would be the choice to describe something that's used on most bikes. #3: Carbon frame are "...unfortunately bad for the energy efficeincy of the bicycle" and carbon forks "..provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance." ??? Somebody better have a conversation with the Grand Tour racers about this one; apparently, they could all ride a lot faster if they ditched their carbon frames & forks? Carbon does flex a bit more than an equivalent-made aluminum frame or fork I believe (I use a racer bike that has a carbon fork). It does not make carbon a bad material for bikes. If I said that, please let me know so I can rectify. I may have forgot to emphasizes that structural flexion is not the only factor. Weight is also playing big for the Grand Tour racers like you said. Any other important factor I should add? Let me know. That was probably the section that caused the most trouble for me. Carbon fiber works so well in bicycles because it's incredibly light, very strong and doesn't carry vibration the way metals do. That gives it a different "feel" but it has nothing to do with efficiency. In fact, no material presently used in bicycle frames flexes in a way that it actually absorbs energy, at least not on a scale that's meaningful. What does happen is that a particular design might flex in a manner that's annoying or might cause handling difficulties. But even that is more a function of design than it is the material used. Next, check out http://bikes.jump-gate.com/types_bikes.shtml, where you discover, I think, that a "road bike" is different from a "racing bike" because it has a taller head tube and, most likely, a sloping top tube. This site is for casual cyclist at first. I did not go in detail on that section I agree. I can add more details you may provide on what differentiate race bikes from road bikes. The issue is at least partly definitional. "Road bike" is an all-encompassing term that generally includes any bike with downturned (or "drop") handlebars. Within the "Road bike" category are various sub-categories, such as- Criterium bike (very steep angles, twitchy handling, feels really fast but often delivers a rather punishing ride, probably a result of the very short wheelbase and position over the rear wheel) Classic road bike (more moderate angles & wheelbase, and suitable for day-after-day racing and often the best choice for high-performance sport riding, such as doing centuries. This category represents the largest number of road bikes sold, and for good reason. The same things that a racer wants are what many others do- high-performance, light weight, and reasonable comfort). "Comfort" road bike (a relatively new category, designed to allow for a higher handlebar relative to the saddle, and often a shorter distance from seat to handlebars. Sometimes these bikes will even have extra brake levers across the top of the handlebars, to allow braking when you're in a more upright position). Touring bike (longer wheelbase to distribute the load over the wheels better and enhance stability & comfort, plus components & frame chosen for durability over light weight). CycloCross (something between a touring and road bike) etc etc Again, sorry that I came across a bit too strongly. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member "Marc B" wrote in message ... Mike, thanks for your critical feedback. I am taking your remarks seriously and will look into these issues. First off, let me just precise that this site is targeting people with little experience in bikes that want some help to make better decisions as they shop. This of course is not an excuse for inaccuracies found on the site, which I should of course correct. This site will probably look very pale for experts, and it is not my intention to target these people as such... They know as good as me (or better) how to pick a good bike! That being said, read my comments below... Regards. "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in om: #1: Aluminum is not the "most current" frame material. It's been around for ages. To my point of view, aluminum is the most currently sold frame material for the general public type of bikes. Carbon is close-by, but still a notch on the high-end market. #2: You cannot "safely" by a frame made of aluminum, any more than you can any other material. It's not the material, it's how it's used that makes the difference. There are aluminum frames that will outlive the owner, and there are aluminum frames whose lack of a warranty is for very good reason. I was referring to older generations, back in time, when aluminum was the new big thing, but even then, you may have a point. #3: Carbon frame are "...unfortunately bad for the energy efficeincy of the bicycle" and carbon forks "..provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance." ??? Somebody better have a conversation with the Grand Tour racers about this one; apparently, they could all ride a lot faster if they ditched their carbon frames & forks? Carbon does flex a bit more than an equivalent-made aluminum frame or fork I believe (I use a racer bike that has a carbon fork). It does not make carbon a bad material for bikes. If I said that, please let me know so I can rectify. I may have forgot to emphasizes that structural flexion is not the only factor. Weight is also playing big for the Grand Tour racers like you said. Any other important factor I should add? Let me know. #4: Reading through the site, the type of grammatical errors make it seem that it's not original, but has been translated from a different language (and not always very well). Unfortunately, yes, there are still a lot of grammatical errors. I am working on it. English is not my native language. That may explain it. I will do my best to better polish the text. Next, check out http://bikes.jump-gate.com/types_bikes.shtml, where you discover, I think, that a "road bike" is different from a "racing bike" because it has a taller head tube and, most likely, a sloping top tube. This site is for casual cyclist at first. I did not go in detail on that section I agree. I can add more details you may provide on what differentiate race bikes from road bikes. I could swear I've seen this all before, but don't remember where. Whatever the case, it's very unfortunate that people might read some of the information and believe it. As is often the case, there's some practical info that makes sense, and perhaps just enough of it to make someone believe the rest of it. Contrary to what you assumed, the totality of the content found on this site was written by me. Nothing was taken from somewhere else. It is all based on my own experience only. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com Thanks for your valuable inputs mike. If you would like to suggest text corrections, I will gladly consider your suggestions. Regards. Marc B. |
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wrote in m: Contrary to what you assumed, the totality of the content found on this site was written by me. Nothing was taken from somewhere else. It is all based on my own experience only. Marc: I was probably a bit too strident in my comments, and apologize that I came across a bit too strongly. Thanks for your comprehension Mike, I appreciate. Unfortunately, yes, there are still a lot of grammatical errors. I am working on it. English is not my native language. That may explain it. I will do my best to better polish the text. Which explains the sense of familiarity I had when reading it. It reads a bit like a translation from French, but much cleaner than what Google would have done (which can sometimes be quite amusing). I know what you mean. Google is quite poor, as many computer-based translators, to well translate the initial meaning twist of a text. I think one red flag that went up was the lack of personaliztion; instead, the first thing you see are the Google ads on the side of the page, and get the idea that somebody might have thrown up a page with the sole intent of generating advertising revenue. I think a brief "about me" section when somebody comes to the page would be a good thing. There is actually an "About the author" section on the site. The text I put there is very sort and does not say much. I will try to add some more info to it. #1: Aluminum is not the "most current" frame material. It's been around for ages. To my point of view, aluminum is the most currently sold frame material for the general public type of bikes. Carbon is close-by, but still a notch on the high-end market. Here the language thing is causing a bit of trouble. "Most current" would typically mean that it's the most-recent type of material used. "Most common" would be the choice to describe something that's used on most bikes. Granted. I had the feeling this word was not appropriate seing your comments. I will use "common" instead. #3: Carbon frame are "...unfortunately bad for the energy efficeincy of the bicycle" and carbon forks "..provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance." ??? Somebody better have a conversation with the Grand Tour racers about this one; apparently, they could all ride a lot faster if they ditched their carbon frames & forks? Carbon does flex a bit more than an equivalent-made aluminum frame or fork I believe (I use a racer bike that has a carbon fork). It does not make carbon a bad material for bikes. If I said that, please let me know so I can rectify. I may have forgot to emphasizes that structural flexion is not the only factor. Weight is also playing big for the Grand Tour racers like you said. Any other important factor I should add? Let me know. That was probably the section that caused the most trouble for me. Carbon fiber works so well in bicycles because it's incredibly light, very strong and doesn't carry vibration the way metals do. That gives it a different "feel" but it has nothing to do with efficiency. In fact, no material presently used in bicycle frames flexes in a way that it actually absorbs energy, at least not on a scale that's meaningful. What does happen is that a particular design might flex in a manner that's annoying or might cause handling difficulties. But even that is more a function of design than it is the material used. Yes. Actually, we kind of were saying similar things from a different angle perhaps. The fact that carbon allows some flexing is probably what makes it "absorb" some of the vibration. An infinitely strong material, based on the little I know, would transfer all vibration without any loss. Here is my theory (which may be totally wrong). The key thing here is "fiber". The carbon fibers will be indeed very strong if you try to elongate it for example. However, if you apply pressure sideways of the fibers, then it will probably allow quite some flexion before it breaks. So the spring or shock absorber propriety it displays is indeed dependent of the structure, i.e., it depends from where the vibration shock comes from and how it is aligned with the carbon fibers. Still, it remains a very strong and, most importantly, light material for high-end bikes. When I say that it "flexes", I guess I refer to the overall frame structure... not a small region of the frame that you would zoom on. For instance, when I put my race bike (aluminum frame in this case) on my Cateye 1000 platform, as I push on the pedals, I can easily see the torsion of the lower part of the frame, the bottom bracket I think it is called in English, where the cranks links on the frame. This torsion is there because, even if the frame is strong, it flexes under the force I apply to the pedal, which does a lever effect on the bottom bracket and the frame. It is easier to see on such a setup as the front fork of the bike is clamped firmly on the platform, limiting global bike movements. From my experience with a few bikes, I think that it is an unavoidable compromise situation. The lighter you want to make the bike, the more you will lose in overall stiffness of the frame and other parts. However, in the end, weight probably brings way more benefits than the little flexing you add to the bike. Going from steel tubing, to aluminum and carbon, we can feel that performance progression with the weight reduction it brings. It is very probable that the flexing is more a question of the design than the material indeed. Perhaps I should remove this point from my text altogether, in lack of having sufficient data on the carbon vs other materials proprieties. This is an interesting discussion thought. If anyone else in this forum has expertise with these material proprieties, please let us know. Next, check out http://bikes.jump-gate.com/types_bikes.shtml, where you discover, I think, that a "road bike" is different from a "racing bike" because it has a taller head tube and, most likely, a sloping top tube. This site is for casual cyclist at first. I did not go in detail on that section I agree. I can add more details you may provide on what differentiate race bikes from road bikes. The issue is at least partly definitional. "Road bike" is an all-encompassing term that generally includes any bike with downturned (or "drop") handlebars. Within the "Road bike" category are various sub-categories, such as- Criterium bike (very steep angles, twitchy handling, feels really fast but often delivers a rather punishing ride, probably a result of the very short wheelbase and position over the rear wheel) Classic road bike (more moderate angles & wheelbase, and suitable for day-after-day racing and often the best choice for high-performance sport riding, such as doing centuries. This category represents the largest number of road bikes sold, and for good reason. The same things that a racer wants are what many others do- high-performance, light weight, and reasonable comfort). "Comfort" road bike (a relatively new category, designed to allow for a higher handlebar relative to the saddle, and often a shorter distance from seat to handlebars. Sometimes these bikes will even have extra brake levers across the top of the handlebars, to allow braking when you're in a more upright position). Touring bike (longer wheelbase to distribute the load over the wheels better and enhance stability & comfort, plus components & frame chosen for durability over light weight). CycloCross (something between a touring and road bike) etc etc Interesting. I will try to incorporate these comments into the related sections. Thanks. Again, sorry that I came across a bit too strongly. That is okay :-) I do appreciate your inputs. Regards. MarcB |
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"Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles"
wrote in m: Contrary to what you assumed, the totality of the content found on this site was written by me. Nothing was taken from somewhere else. It is all based on my own experience only. Marc: I was probably a bit too strident in my comments, and apologize that I came across a bit too strongly. Thanks for your comprehension Mike, I appreciate. Unfortunately, yes, there are still a lot of grammatical errors. I am working on it. English is not my native language. That may explain it. I will do my best to better polish the text. Which explains the sense of familiarity I had when reading it. It reads a bit like a translation from French, but much cleaner than what Google would have done (which can sometimes be quite amusing). I know what you mean. Google is quite poor, as many computer-based translators, to well translate the initial meaning twist of a text. I think one red flag that went up was the lack of personaliztion; instead, the first thing you see are the Google ads on the side of the page, and get the idea that somebody might have thrown up a page with the sole intent of generating advertising revenue. I think a brief "about me" section when somebody comes to the page would be a good thing. There is actually an "About the author" section on the site. The text I put there is very sort and does not say much. I will try to add some more info to it. #1: Aluminum is not the "most current" frame material. It's been around for ages. To my point of view, aluminum is the most currently sold frame material for the general public type of bikes. Carbon is close-by, but still a notch on the high-end market. Here the language thing is causing a bit of trouble. "Most current" would typically mean that it's the most-recent type of material used. "Most common" would be the choice to describe something that's used on most bikes. Granted. I had the feeling this word was not appropriate seing your comments. I will use "common" instead. #3: Carbon frame are "...unfortunately bad for the energy efficeincy of the bicycle" and carbon forks "..provide some sort of high-frequency shocks absorption, to the detriment of some performance." ??? Somebody better have a conversation with the Grand Tour racers about this one; apparently, they could all ride a lot faster if they ditched their carbon frames & forks? Carbon does flex a bit more than an equivalent-made aluminum frame or fork I believe (I use a racer bike that has a carbon fork). It does not make carbon a bad material for bikes. If I said that, please let me know so I can rectify. I may have forgot to emphasizes that structural flexion is not the only factor. Weight is also playing big for the Grand Tour racers like you said. Any other important factor I should add? Let me know. That was probably the section that caused the most trouble for me. Carbon fiber works so well in bicycles because it's incredibly light, very strong and doesn't carry vibration the way metals do. That gives it a different "feel" but it has nothing to do with efficiency. In fact, no material presently used in bicycle frames flexes in a way that it actually absorbs energy, at least not on a scale that's meaningful. What does happen is that a particular design might flex in a manner that's annoying or might cause handling difficulties. But even that is more a function of design than it is the material used. Yes. Actually, we kind of were saying similar things from a different angle perhaps. The fact that carbon allows some flexing is probably what makes it "absorb" some of the vibration. An infinitely strong material, based on the little I know, would transfer all vibration without any loss. Here is my theory (which may be totally wrong). The key thing here is "fiber". The carbon fibers will be indeed very strong if you try to elongate it for example. However, if you apply pressure sideways of the fibers, then it will probably allow quite some flexion before it breaks. So the spring or shock absorber propriety it displays is indeed dependent of the structure, i.e., it depends from where the vibration shock comes from and how it is aligned with the carbon fibers. Still, it remains a very strong and, most importantly, light material for high-end bikes. When I say that it "flexes", I guess I refer to the overall frame structure... not a small region of the frame that you would zoom on. For instance, when I put my race bike (aluminum frame in this case) on my Cateye 1000 platform, as I push on the pedals, I can easily see the torsion of the lower part of the frame, the bottom bracket I think it is called in English, where the cranks links on the frame. This torsion is there because, even if the frame is strong, it flexes under the force I apply to the pedal, which does a lever effect on the bottom bracket and the frame. It is easier to see on such a setup as the front fork of the bike is clamped firmly on the platform, limiting global bike movements. From my experience with a few bikes, I think that it is an unavoidable compromise situation. The lighter you want to make the bike, the more you will lose in overall stiffness of the frame and other parts. However, in the end, weight probably brings way more benefits than the little flexing you add to the bike. Going from steel tubing, to aluminum and carbon, we can feel that performance progression with the weight reduction it brings. It is very probable that the flexing is more a question of the design than the material indeed. Perhaps I should remove this point from my text altogether, in lack of having sufficient data on the carbon vs other materials proprieties. This is an interesting discussion thought. If anyone else in this forum has expertise with these material proprieties, please let us know. Next, check out http://bikes.jump-gate.com/types_bikes.shtml, where you discover, I think, that a "road bike" is different from a "racing bike" because it has a taller head tube and, most likely, a sloping top tube. This site is for casual cyclist at first. I did not go in detail on that section I agree. I can add more details you may provide on what differentiate race bikes from road bikes. The issue is at least partly definitional. "Road bike" is an all-encompassing term that generally includes any bike with downturned (or "drop") handlebars. Within the "Road bike" category are various sub-categories, such as- Criterium bike (very steep angles, twitchy handling, feels really fast but often delivers a rather punishing ride, probably a result of the very short wheelbase and position over the rear wheel) Classic road bike (more moderate angles & wheelbase, and suitable for day-after-day racing and often the best choice for high-performance sport riding, such as doing centuries. This category represents the largest number of road bikes sold, and for good reason. The same things that a racer wants are what many others do- high-performance, light weight, and reasonable comfort). "Comfort" road bike (a relatively new category, designed to allow for a higher handlebar relative to the saddle, and often a shorter distance from seat to handlebars. Sometimes these bikes will even have extra brake levers across the top of the handlebars, to allow braking when you're in a more upright position). Touring bike (longer wheelbase to distribute the load over the wheels better and enhance stability & comfort, plus components & frame chosen for durability over light weight). CycloCross (something between a touring and road bike) etc etc Interesting. I will try to incorporate these comments into the related sections. Thanks. Again, sorry that I came across a bit too strongly. That is okay :-) I do appreciate your inputs. Regards. MarcB |
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