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"GeeDubb" wrote:
"Mark Hickey" wrote Look at the second definition: "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects". Atheism fits both of the above defitions perfectly. snip I guess in the second definition the non-belief in the existance of deity is the fundamental "set" of beliefs and practices........ pretty thin perfect fit but that's how you interpret it so we will agree to disagree. But I think you can now at least understand how someone could interpret the current trend as catering 100% only to those with a particular "religion" (atheism), to the exclusion of any other belief system. That's pretty much it in a nutshell for me. Heck, I'm not even asking for equal time - but zero time seems a little harsh. ;-) I rode T100 again this morning. Darn humid again. I was on my roof this afternoon working on the air conditioner (where we put 'em in the desert for some reason I've never understood). Made me think trying to ride any of the local trails would be suicidal (not all that hot by AZ standards, but the sun made it too hot to kneel on the roof for even a second). I always wondered what it would be like to crash on ground this hot and be incapacitated... how "cooked" would you get if no one found you within an hour or two? Yikes. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:09:44 -0700, Mark Hickey wrote:
But I think you can now at least understand how someone could interpret the current trend as catering 100% only to those with a particular "religion" (atheism), to the exclusion of any other belief system. As long as one ignores the fact that we have two Christian public holidays and no holidays of other faiths, that significant publicly-licensed bandwidth is used to broadcast the word of Christianity, that our money still says "in God we trust", that the government doesn't tell people not to believe in God (and in fact specifically refers to God in several places), and probably a lot of other stuff that doesn't come to mind, yeah, I can understand how you could interpret it that way. But if I was an athiest, these things would probably make me feel the government has a preference toward Christianity, to the exclusion of any other belief system. -- -BB- To e-mail me, unmunge my address |
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BB wrote: On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:36:29 -0700, Drew wrote: However she has the right to believe what she wants. I also can believe and say what I want. This is one of the fundamental rights that make this country great. ...so is "..no law respecting an establishment of religion..". That's in the first amendment too. A bill to use public funding to post the ten commandments pretty much violates that, doesn't it? She can say what she wants, but making into law is a different story. -- -BB- To e-mail me, unmunge my address An established religion came from England, where the state dictated the religion of its citizens, our first amendment saying, "Congress shall pass no law establishing religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof." For a very short answer, this young lady is not Congress, the 10 Commandments on public property is not the establishment of a state religion, (such as requiring all citizens to be baptists or rastafarians) nor is anyone prohibited from practicing their religion of choice. The state religion being established is the anti-Judaeo-Christian religious fervour with which a vocal minority is trying to excise all references to God from public life. CDB |
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Whoa, I thought mountain biking was exhausting......
This thread is a double black diamond!!! Stay away from the SLIPPERY SLOPE. You bunch of dopes......... SHUT UP AND GET ON THE TOPIC OF THE NG.... Go take a ride and leave the muttering god hugging blonde to her own devices. Chip |
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On 13 Aug 2006 17:27:42 -0700, Paladin wrote:
The state religion being established is the anti-Judaeo-Christian religious fervour with which a vocal minority is trying to excise all references to God from public life. Well I've learned a little about the separation of church and state this weekend - something which about I actually never had much of an opinion before. My primary take-aways a 1. that its actually a good thing for religion, because it provides equal respect to all religions regardless of how big or popular they are, and 2. those who already have preference want to keep it that way, so there's no use trying to convince them of #1. I also managed to get in a ride that still has me tired, and got some great peppermints (my secret reason for accompanying my wife to the sewing store). But I'm sorry for all of everyone else's time I've wasted. I mean this thread, not just the peppermint story. :-) -- -BB- To e-mail me, unmunge my address |
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"CB" wrote in message oups.com... Whoa, I thought mountain biking was exhausting...... This thread is a double black diamond!!! Stay away from the SLIPPERY SLOPE. You bunch of dopes......... SHUT UP AND GET ON THE TOPIC OF THE NG.... Go take a ride and leave the muttering god hugging blonde to her own devices. Chip Well said Chippy. CG |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:26:48 -0700, Chris Glidden wrote:
You bunch of dopes......... SHUT UP AND GET ON THE TOPIC OF THE NG.... Well said Chippy. Maybe I'm missing something...is there some reason you couldn't just skip this thread and read the other three or four threads? Is it just my newsreader that makes it easy? -- -BB- To e-mail me, unmunge my address |
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Mark Hickey wrote:
BB wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:57:42 -0700, Mark Hickey wrote: Hmmm, you have to wonder why 90% of the time that line is quoted, the rest of the sentence is left out. For those interested in the TRUE intent of the passage, here's the rest: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Kinda changes things, huh? Not at all. As I said in the post to which you replied, "she can say what she wants, but making it into law is a different story." I don't assume to know the "true intent" of the amendment; I think they intended to write everything they did. I have no problem with people posting religious text in their homes or churches. But when they try to post them in public parks using tax dollars, that's different. I imagine you only defend it because it happens to be YOUR religious establishment. Would you be equally supportive of your tax dollars being used to post Qu'ranic verses in your local park? I don't know if "equally" applies, but if the park was in an area that was predominantly Muslim, yes, I'd "equally" support it. But in the case of the Ten Commandments, it's a cornerstone of western culture, and especially of American culture. By thoroughly and totally excluding anything with a religious content, you're essentially insisting on promoting ONLY the religion of atheism. But now your are just trying to justify ignoring the constitution. It was written so specifically for a reason. It's not promoting atheism, it's just trying to stay impartial. I don't know of a single government sponsored (or otherwise actually) monument to atheism. We're a melting pot even if there are still unmelted pockets in some places. I'd be just as opposed to a Muslim, Jewish, or any other religious themed monument. The government needs to (at least try to appear to) be impartial to religion. That's what the country is built on and why the Puritans wanted to get out of England in the first place. What part of the Ten Commandments is "establishing a religion"? It doesn't say anything about establishing a religion. It says no law respecting "an establishment of religion". Christianity is an establishment of religion. There is a difference between 'the establishment of religion' which is an action, and 'an establishment of religion' which is something that already exists. They said the latter. In either interpretation (which was in either case done to prevent having an "official arm of the church", which I agree is a good idea), there's nothing about excluding religion from public life (covered under the "or prohibiting the free exercise thing"). Indeed. As long as it's done with private funds (and lands and facilities) then I'm all for it, no matter what religion or lack of religion it promotes. Matt |
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Bill Sornson wrote:
MattB wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: MattB wrote: But the rate at which the Earth is warming is greater than the rate at which the sun is warming. So there are other factors involved (like better heat retention by the Earth). Not so sure it works "linearly" like that. (You can get a worse sunburn in a half-hour sometimes than in two hours others.) Guess we'll have to see... I'm not sure either, but I'll believe scientists over politicians or lobbyists. Which is why people worshipping at the flat feet of Al Gore is such a crack-up. The man is seriously nuts -- and so are at least some of his computer models and animations. Guess we'll have to see... Well I disagree, but I know he's got an agenda and he's a politician so I take his words with a grain of salt. Of course his side of the debate has got a lot more support from the scientific community, so that makes it more credible to me. But you're right. We'll have to see. Matt |
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Paladin wrote:
MattB wrote: Paladin wrote: For Mattb and others who appreciate the "finer things in life", and who don't mind going through mtbr, here are some pictures from last night's group ride that I host. For a little background, the FIQ (female in question) is quite famous around here, and the slavering dogs on the ID mtbr board make references to her every week... http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=216690 http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=216903 CDB your goodwill ambassador to the unridden masses Nice pics, but besides riding a mountain bike, I think she epitomizes "not my type" in every way imaginable. So quick to judge another based on pictures. Man, where's the *tolerance* you lefties are supposed to be famous for?? Everything goes, except Christianity, right? The only politically correct discrimination left in America. CDB No offense meant to you or anyone else CDB (which I realize probably didn't pan out), but I just typed what I felt. Would you not feel the same if I posted a picture of someone who wasn't your type (physically speaking when the thread's theme is "look at this hottie" and I name you specifically). What if you didn't know who this was so you Google her and find out she's some kind of raving leftist (hopeful) politician? Maybe you would have just kept quiet, but I suspect maybe you wouldn't have. I had no idea who she was, but on the MTBR forum they were acting like she was a celebrity. So I figured I'd better look her up. The rest is history. Matt (mostly just intolerant to intolerance - oh and really bad music) |
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