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"Jay Beattie" wrote in message ... [...] My musical start point is about Tallis/Monteverdi and centered firmly in the Romantic era along with late or post-Romantic composers who forgot to get off the train at the turn of the century, like Rachmaninoff or Sibelius.[...] Jay has got it exactly right except for the part about Tallis and Monteverdi. Music lagged behind some of the rest of the arts when it came to a classical era. Haydn, Mozart and the early Beethoven fall into this classical era, but I would also put all the Romantics and the Post-Romantics into this category also. Music had gone to hell by the time I came into the world (mid 20th century). Anyone who does not appreciate Rachmaninoff and Sibelius has no ear for music. Did you know that Sibelius was once the most popular composer of all time (early 20th century)? Like the English, I love Sibelius, but I must admit his popularity seems to fluctuate over time. I waited all my life for his 8th Symphony, but it never came. This confirms my view that composition is a young man's game. It is extremely interesting to see how musical genius has played out over the centuries in various countries. It seems like every nation was able to produce at least one musical genius. Some nations, like Spain and Ireland for instance, have a very rich folk music and seemed not to have produced much in the way of composers. The one country that has always amazed me the most is Russia. Why they should have produced such great musical geniuses is a mystery to me. Tchaikovsky to this day wrote the most popular fine art music of any composer whoever lived - no small accomplishment! About the only thing I look forward to at Xmas time is yet another viewing of his Nutcracker Ballet on TV. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Jan 15, 1:54 am, Michael Press wrote: In article , Jay Beattie wrote: I once went to a John Cage concert in the '70s (Cage conducting San Jose Symphony) and enjoyed the sound of feet walking out, although I was supposed to be listening to the sound of a symphony orchestra playing a score derived by punching holes through a star chart on to staff paper. At least you don't have to worry about playing in a rest -- just call it a small star. -- Jay Beattie. If you ever have a tune in your head you cannot get rid of put John Cage on the player. Gahr Uhn Teed. A group of cycling friends and I once attended a recital by another of our cycling friends, who's a professional classical musician. He included a Cage piece. I think we offended him by interpreting it as being funny.[...] I wish more people would play Cage's 4'33" in their cars. Repeatedly. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 |
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On Jan 15, 6:47*pm, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote: I wish more people would play Cage's 4'33" in their cars. Repeatedly. And loudly, of course. But without the inevitable coughs. Go for the studio recording version. - Frank Krygowski |
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...] There are two types of serious fine art music that I do not care for - a capella and organ music. I just finished listening to the complete organ works of J.S. Bach. Loved all of it. [...] I would start the era of music that can still be appreciated today with Haydn and Mozart, maybe Bach and Handel. Tallis and Monteverdi were still too early.[...] Nonsense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjpFi9bn1do. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 |
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...] The one country that has always amazed me the most is Russia. Why they should have produced such great musical geniuses is a mystery to me. Tchaikovsky to this day wrote the most popular fine art music of any composer whoever lived - no small accomplishment! About the only thing I look forward to at Xmas time is yet another viewing of his Nutcracker Ballet on TV.[...] One of the finest pieces of Christmas music ever written - excerpts he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBXMlZrmiB0. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 |
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On Jan 15, 3:52*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:47*pm, Tom Sherman °_° wrote: I wish more people would play Cage's 4'33" in their cars. Repeatedly. And loudly, of course. *But without the inevitable coughs. *Go for the studio recording version. Multi-channel surround sound so you can get the people coughing behind you. Have you ever noticed that people feel compelled to cough during quiet passages? It's the weirdest phenomenon. Between movements, the concert hall turns in to a TB ward. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Jan 15, 3:52*pm, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: [...] There are two types of serious fine art music that I do not care for - a capella and organ music. I just finished listening to the complete organ works of J.S. Bach. Loved all of it. * [...] I would start the era of music that can still be appreciated today with Haydn and Mozart, maybe Bach and Handel. Tallis and Monteverdi were still too early.[...] Nonsense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjpFi9bn1do. Or the way most of us were introduced to this piece in '69 by Wendy fka Walter Carlos. http://www.buy.com/prod/well-tempere.../60502933.html Compared to the youtube performance, it sounds kind of sluggish, but it was amazing in its day. -- Jay Beattie. |
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"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] There are two types of serious fine art music that I do not care for - a capella and organ music. I just finished listening to the complete organ works of J.S. Bach. Loved all of it. You need to listen to the complete cantatas of Bach. That is the real test of your endurance, not the organ music. [...] I would start the era of music that can still be appreciated today with Haydn and Mozart, maybe Bach and Handel. Tallis and Monteverdi were still too early.[...] Nonsense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjpFi9bn1do. Yes, that is a good one, but most of Monteverdi is not so listenable. After all, any fool can do a fanfare. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The one country that has always amazed me the most is Russia. Why they should have produced such great musical geniuses is a mystery to me. Tchaikovsky to this day wrote the most popular fine art music of any composer whoever lived - no small accomplishment! About the only thing I look forward to at Xmas time is yet another viewing of his Nutcracker Ballet on TV.[...] One of the finest pieces of Christmas music ever written - excerpts he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBXMlZrmiB0. Yes, there are bits and pieces of baroque music that are undoubtedly masterpieces, but the music from that era is increasing foreign to our ears. That is not true with the music that began with Haydn and Mozart, although someday it may very well be. I have plowed my way though all the music of Bach and Handel (what else do we dilettantes have to do) and I can tell you without any reservations whatsoever that all of this music is doomed. It will be the end of civilization for me if and when this ever happens to the music of the Romantics like Beethoven and Brahms, but I do not put anything past the present barbarians. I can't think of a single president whoever had any culture. Kennedy came closest to having some culture, but I think it was all due to his wife, Jacqueline. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Jay Beattie" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 3:52 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Jan 15, 6:47 pm, Tom Sherman °_° wrote: I wish more people would play Cage's 4'33" in their cars. Repeatedly. And loudly, of course. But without the inevitable coughs. Go for the studio recording version. Multi-channel surround sound so you can get the people coughing behind you. Have you ever noticed that people feel compelled to cough during quiet passages? It's the weirdest phenomenon. Between movements, the concert hall turns into a TB ward. -- Jay Beattie. I stopped going to concerts in my youth because I could not stand all the audience noise. Like Glenn Gould, what good are live concerts anyway when recordings are far, far better. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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