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Old March 30th 09, 01:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Still learning how to glue tubies on.

http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001
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Old March 30th 09, 01:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message
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Still learning how to glue tubies on.

http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001


The video shows the tyre didn't cause the crash


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Old March 31st 09, 02:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 30, 6:52*am, "Clive George" wrote:
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in ...

Still learning how to glue tubies on.


http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001


The video shows the tyre didn't cause the crash


So, it's OK for a tubular to roll on a track bike? No brakes, no heat
buildup, no long decents...?


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Old March 31st 09, 07:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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P. Chisholm wrote:
On Mar 30, 6:52 am, "Clive George" wrote:
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in ...

Still learning how to glue tubies on.
http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001

The video shows the tyre didn't cause the crash


So, it's OK for a tubular to roll on a track bike? No brakes, no heat
buildup, no long decents...?



He didn't say that. What he said was that the tire did not cause the
crash. Sireau was a goner before the tire came off. Watch the video.
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Old March 31st 09, 07:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 31, 11:19*am, Carl Sundquist wrote:
P. Chisholm wrote:
On Mar 30, 6:52 am, "Clive George" wrote:
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in ...


Still learning how to glue tubies on.
http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001
The video shows the tyre didn't cause the crash


So, it's OK for a tubular to roll on a track bike? No brakes, no heat
buildup, no long decents...?


He didn't say that. What he said was that the tire did not cause the
crash. Sireau was a goner before the tire came off. Watch the video.


But even so, a rolled tire _during_ a crash is a problem - whipping
effect, sudden immobility of the wheel, etc. If you're in a crash,
you'd rather have the wheel be free-spinning and self-contained.
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Old March 31st 09, 07:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Hank Wirtz wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:19 am, Carl Sundquist wrote:
P. Chisholm wrote:
On Mar 30, 6:52 am, "Clive George" wrote:
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in ...
Still learning how to glue tubies on.
http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001
The video shows the tyre didn't cause the crash
So, it's OK for a tubular to roll on a track bike? No brakes, no heat
buildup, no long decents...?

He didn't say that. What he said was that the tire did not cause the
crash. Sireau was a goner before the tire came off. Watch the video.


But even so, a rolled tire _during_ a crash is a problem - whipping
effect, sudden immobility of the wheel, etc. If you're in a crash,
you'd rather have the wheel be free-spinning and self-contained.


You're still confusing a rolled tire as _contributing_ to a crash with a
tire that rolled _because_ of a crash. Having a free spinning, self
contained wheel would not have changed the outcome of that event whatsoever.
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Old March 31st 09, 08:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 31, 1:48*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
Hank Wirtz wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:19 am, Carl Sundquist wrote:
P. Chisholm wrote:
On Mar 30, 6:52 am, "Clive George" wrote:
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in ...
Still learning how to glue tubies on.
http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001
The video shows the tyre didn't cause the crash
So, it's OK for a tubular to roll on a track bike? No brakes, no heat
buildup, no long decents...?
He didn't say that. What he said was that the tire did not cause the
crash. Sireau was a goner before the tire came off. Watch the video.


But even so, a rolled tire _during_ a crash is a problem - whipping
effect, sudden immobility of the wheel, etc. If you're in a crash,
you'd rather have the wheel be free-spinning and self-contained.


You're still confusing a rolled tire as _contributing_ to a crash with a
tire that rolled _because_ of a crash. Having a free spinning, self
contained wheel would not have changed the outcome of that event whatsoever.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


This may be similar to the Tour a few years ago. Beloki maybe.
Armstrong was in the front group, and Beloki hit a melted patch of tar
on top of a mountain and went sideways. His wheel then hit dry
pavement and the carbon tubular wheel snapped from suddenly gaining
traction again. And the tire came off. Surprise surprise. And he
crashed. Tire coming off had no effect on the crash. And Armstrong
went off the side of the road and down the hill on the grass and
caught back up with the lead riders with no harm done.
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Old March 31st 09, 08:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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P. Chisholm wrote:
On Mar 30, 6:52 am, "Clive George" wrote:
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in
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Still learning how to glue tubies on.
http://www.velonews.com/photo/90001
The video shows the tyre didn't cause the crash


So, it's OK for a tubular to roll on a track bike? No brakes, no heat
buildup, no long decents...?



He didn't say that. What he said was that the tire did not cause the
crash. Sireau was a goner before the tire came off. Watch the video.


Carl,
Have seen the photo, where is the video?
Thanks,
Kerry


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Old March 31st 09, 08:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Have seen the photo, where is the video?


I saw it on the BBC site, but if you can't get that I found this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ftEFFv0h24


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Old March 31st 09, 08:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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"Clive George" wrote in message
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"Kerry Montgomery" wrote in message
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Have seen the photo, where is the video?


I saw it on the BBC site, but if you can't get that I found this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ftEFFv0h24

Clive,
Thanks much - amazing save by Bauge. Can't blame the crash on the tubular,
nor its glue.
Kerry


 




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