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Shoud there be a "freedom to pollute"?
"nash" wrote in message news:ZDwTh.64893$6m4.36854@pd7urf1no... "So defined, I repeat, freedom means concretely freedoms of various kinds, which may be at least roughly specified. Among the most fundamental is political freedom, involving some means of control of rulers by the ruled, some protection of the individual against government by legal rights or civil liberties." , and we all know how well that worked out. Sorry could not resist Y'all need to read Hofstadter's book on the paranoid in American politics. You are good examples. |
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promoting "smart growth"
"Baxter" wrote in message ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... - "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message .. . "Baxter" wrote in message ... Do stay on track - the issue is whether we spend hundreds of billions of dollars on Iraqi's or whether we spend a tenth of that on our own people. (and yes, there are reports that elections are not particularly fair in LA.) Then why did you bring up your feeling that the people of Louisiana are somehow downtrodden in a way that Mississippians aren't? Your question is nonsensical. Obviously you don't have an answer then. No, your question is nonsensical in this context. Your question might be more appropriate in context with the US Attorneys firings that are in the news. I see you've learned one of George Conklin's less admirable techniques...If someone disagrees with you or questions you further, declare the comment/question irrelevant, drivel, or nonsensical. Nice :-) Then suppose you detail that relevance for us? That's what I was asking you to do. Let's see - you want *me* to explain the relelavance of *your* response?! That's the sort of thing Conklin does. No, I want you to explain why you think your feeling that the people of New Orleans are somehow uniquely downtrodden has anything to do with the topic of this threat or even this forum as a whole. And as an aside, do you have any direct experience of the area that was hit by Katrina to base your reaction on? "Feeling that the people of New Orleans are somehow uniquely downtrodden" are YOUR words - YOU explain them. Well, you seem to think that there is something in national policy that is holding back the New Orleans area, yet the Mississippi Gulf Coast is _not_ being held back. So, if that is not a function of _local_ leadership, the logical conclusion is that you believe that there is a national policy that somehow applies to New Orleans but not in Mississippi. "Most of the people there CANNOT help themselves - the System has made sure of that -- and Continues to make sure of that." as you said. What is it about "the System" that is making sure the people of New Orleans "CANNOT" help themselves, yet is not even remotely preventing the people of Mississippi from helping themselves? And, you never answered my question...have you ever actually *been* to the storm-affected area, either before or after Katrina? If not, don't you think the eye-witness account of an actual resident might have some sort of weight? |
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Shoud there be a "freedom to pollute"?
"george conklin" wrote in message link.net... "nash" wrote in message news:ZDwTh.64893$6m4.36854@pd7urf1no... "So defined, I repeat, freedom means concretely freedoms of various kinds, which may be at least roughly specified. Among the most fundamental is political freedom, involving some means of control of rulers by the ruled, some protection of the individual against government by legal rights or civil liberties." , and we all know how well that worked out. Sorry could not resist Y'all need to read Hofstadter's book on the paranoid in American politics. You are good examples. Just because people are paranoid does not mean the government is not out to get them! |
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to start THE REVOLUTION
On Apr 13, 5:20 pm, "di" wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message ups.com... "The terrorists who attacked America weren't being funded primarily by drug money. They were being funded primarily by oil money. In other words, it isn't the drug addicts who should feel guilty. It's the gasoline addicts." So where did this "oil money" come from? Before you answer, be careful, you about to justify the Iraq War. My understanding is that it went through Saudi hands, just as the terrorists were Saudis. And WHO feeds the Saudis? That's right, our administration and our SUV drivers. |
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Welcome to the Global Economy or Welcome to the Jungle?
""We don't want to pollute - but it's OK if China does - - - ""
Welcome to the Global Economy It's not politics - - It's business Remember supply and demand. How about we demand, and they supply. It's a new version of the NIMBY syndrome. We want (just for you) new bicycles, but don't be polluting our air to make it for me. You may as well may have given it the title "Welcome to the Jungle"... which proves my point that we reject civilization in order to eat each other --or may I say in order to compete unequally, where the unions -- American unions-- are crushed before the never tiring, never complaining Chinese workers... "What is the market? It is the law of the jungle, the law of nature. And what is civilization? It is the struggle against nature." http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...11/default.htm WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote |
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national hypocrisy
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:34:08 -0700, "Baxter"
wrote: I guess you've never been to the Oregon Coast. What power grid is supported solely by windmills? According to WSJ sources, none in the U.S. - and in the windiest part of the U.S. on a consistent basis - in the Southwest, not Oregon - even if the windmill system is fully developed with state of the art technology, they can't support a power grid on their own. That means that they may be a useful or even a major adjunct, but they aren't a solution. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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promoting "smart growth"
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------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... "Feeling that the people of New Orleans are somehow uniquely downtrodden" are YOUR words - YOU explain them. Well, you seem to think that there is something in national policy that is holding back the New Orleans area, yet the Mississippi Gulf Coast is _not_ being held back. Your facts are wrong. Mississipi Coast is also in dire need of funds. They are as bad off as New Orleans. And, you never answered my question...have you ever actually *been* to the storm-affected area, either before or after Katrina? If not, don't you think the eye-witness account of an actual resident might have some sort of weight? There's a lot of stories coming out of the area. What makes yours better than the rest? |
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national hypocrisy
On Apr 14, 12:31 am, Bill wrote:
Curtis L. Russell wrote: On 13 Apr 2007 11:27:43 -0700, "donquijote1954" wrote: As a matter of fact, windmills are a good solution --in some cases. Windmills are a good supplement. In the U.S. with tax breaks and setasides, even the oil companies are buying lots, but its a huge investment and it doesn't add up to much as a percentage of the power needed and in the windiest areas they aren't reliable enough to support even a small grid on their own. Windmills are not a solution. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... Has anybody looked at the current generation of high-tech (sic) windmills? They are a joke, and bird killers to boot. The best windmill designs were those that were in use in the 1930's when the TVA project demanded that a farmer take down or disable his windmill to get power to the farm. Obviously that would take enough electricity to pay for running out the electricity so the farmer could have electric lights. The new, 3 skinny blade windmills are a joke since 90% of the air pass right through the gaps. The intake vanes of a modern jet engine show how a windmill should be designed, along with a feathering mechanism for windy days. Too much thinking for the current crop of over-educated dimwits. Bill Baka The best hi tech windmills are from germany - they have variable vane/airfoils that can adjust to the windspeed. They are very tall structures and generate quite a bit of power. Some environmentalist are worried that these structures represent a danger to birds - I haven't come across any scientific studies verifying this risk though. The reason the blades/vanes are very thin is that this design can structurally handle higher wind forces and thus is more resistance to damage from high winds. Lighter thinner blades require less wind force to reach the minumum speed needed for electric generation faster than if the windmill blades were heavier and larger. The intake vanes of a turbojet are designed to runs at a different speed and different magnitude of force than a windmill. There are similarities in a turbojet's intake vanes and that of a hydro electric generator's turbine. Nuclear power plants that use hi pressure steam also have electric generator turbines that look similar to a turbojet's vanes. |
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promoting "smart growth"
"Baxter" wrote in message ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Amy Blankenship" wrote in message ... "Baxter" wrote in message ... "Feeling that the people of New Orleans are somehow uniquely downtrodden" are YOUR words - YOU explain them. Well, you seem to think that there is something in national policy that is holding back the New Orleans area, yet the Mississippi Gulf Coast is _not_ being held back. Your facts are wrong. Mississipi Coast is also in dire need of funds. They are as bad off as New Orleans. And, you never answered my question...have you ever actually *been* to the storm-affected area, either before or after Katrina? If not, don't you think the eye-witness account of an actual resident might have some sort of weight? There's a lot of stories coming out of the area. What makes yours better than the rest? Because I have direct experience of the area, and I'm in a position to judge. Obviously you haven't actually experienced either area, either before or after the storm. You shouldn't just swallow whatever the news services choose to focus on, but should find out for yourself. Besides, it's not just a "story." If the system really were keeping people down and not _local_ leadership, how do you account for the variation in how different localities have recovered? |
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promoting "smart growth"
On Apr 14, 7:33 pm, "johnny@." johnny@. wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote: ""We don't want to pollute - but it's OK if China does - - - "" Welcome to the Global Economy It's not politics - - It's business Remember supply and demand. How about we demand, and they supply. It's a new version of the NIMBY syndrome. We want (just for you) new bicycles, but don't be polluting our air to make it for me. You may as well may have given it the title "Welcome to the Jungle"... which proves my point that we reject civilization in order to eat each other --or may I say in order to compete unequally, where the unions -- American unions-- are crushed before the never tiring, never complaining Chinese workers... Oh, they complain, but when they do, they get crushed. By tanks! Here the picture is different: You can complain, but they don't listen. "Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the government listens" -Alastair Farrugia |
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