Big old jet airliner....

On Apr 26, 5:06 am, still me wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:28:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"

wrote:

Keep in mind that the ticketing agent is a minor god. Whatever he or she
decides to do is the law. Doesn't matter what the rules say. Nor, in this
day & age, are you likely to see someone reverse a charge on appeal.

Yeah, it ain't like the old days when companies actually cared what
you thought about them. Now it's all about volume and the squeaky
wheel can go to Hell for all they care.

It -IS- like the old days still. The company might not care what you
think but she still does. Flirt with her!!!!! Did you notice how
pretty she is? Let her feel the warmth of your gaze and then look coy
when she looks up and there will be no charge for the bike.

dl

On Apr 26, 9:32 am, "
wrote:
On Apr 25, 11:46 am, Scott Gordo wrote:
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"If the bike(s) is packed in a container that is over 50 lbs (23kg)
and/or 62 linear inches (157cm), a $95 service charge applies each
way. The service charge is in addition to any excess baggage charges
that may apply."

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The dimensions of an S&S coupled bicycle (26+26+10) meet this size
limit and do not incur this charge.

True. However @ ~$500 one would need to fly fairly often to recover
the cost of S&S couplers in a reasonable length of time, depending of
course, on the exact circumstances.

Plus they add, what, a 3/4 pound of weight?

I used to fly ~ once a year, & I'm planning on that in the future. I
don't think that they would worth the initial lay down, for me.

I'm not saying they are a bad idea.
They certainly are beautiful, & elegant.
Just that the payback time might be a little long, John

john wrote:
On Apr 26, 9:32 am, "
wrote:

On Apr 25, 11:46 am, Scott Gordo wrote:
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"If the bike(s) is packed in a container that is over 50 lbs (23kg)
and/or 62 linear inches (157cm), a $95 service charge applies each
way. The service charge is in addition to any excess baggage charges
that may apply."

deleted

The dimensions of an S&S coupled bicycle (26+26+10) meet this size
limit and do not incur this charge.


True. However @ ~$500 one would need to fly fairly often to recover
the cost of S&S couplers in a reasonable length of time, depending of
course, on the exact circumstances.

Plus they add, what, a 3/4 pound of weight?

I used to fly ~ once a year, & I'm planning on that in the future. I
don't think that they would worth the initial lay down, for me.

I'm not saying they are a bad idea.
They certainly are beautiful, & elegant.
Just that the payback time might be a little long, John


At $80-$100 per flight and flying one round trip per year the payback
time would be 3-4 years, which is not completely unreasonable. My
concern would be storing the S&S suitcase when I was on a cycle tour,
it's not always easy to store a suitcase when I'm on an extended tour.
I've flown to Europe with a bicycle at no charge 4 times since 2000, and
next year's trip will probably be the last time my bike gets a free
ride. Hard to complain, I've done pretty well up to this point. I keep
an old road bike at my parents house for family visits, and if I were to
fly anywhere else (not likely) I would either ship a bike UPS/FedEx if
it was a long stay, or find some other way to get my exercise for a
short trip.

mark

Scott Gordo wrote:
deleted
"If the bike(s) is packed in a container that is over 50 lbs (23kg)
and/or 62 linear inches (157cm), a $95 service charge applies each
way. The service charge is in addition to any excess baggage charges
that may apply."

"
deleted
The dimensions of an S&S coupled bicycle (26+26+10) meet this size
limit and do not incur this charge.

john wrote:
True. However @ ~$500 one would need to fly fairly often to recover
the cost of S&S couplers in a reasonable length of time, depending of
course, on the exact circumstances.
Plus they add, what, a 3/4 pound of weight?
I used to fly ~ once a year, & I'm planning on that in the future. I
don't think that they would worth the initial lay down, for me.
I'm not saying they are a bad idea.
They certainly are beautiful, & elegant.
Just that the payback time might be a little long, John

mark wrote:
At $80-$100 per flight and flying one round trip per year the payback
time would be 3-4 years, which is not completely unreasonable. My
concern would be storing the S&S suitcase when I was on a cycle tour,
it's not always easy to store a suitcase when I'm on an extended tour.
I've flown to Europe with a bicycle at no charge 4 times since 2000, and
next year's trip will probably be the last time my bike gets a free
ride. Hard to complain, I've done pretty well up to this point. I keep
an old road bike at my parents house for family visits, and if I were to
fly anywhere else (not likely) I would either ship a bike UPS/FedEx if
it was a long stay, or find some other way to get my exercise for a
short trip.

We sell S+S (new bikes and we are an S+S frame shop) but you should
factor in the case & incidentals. It's more like $850 minimum, typically
$1000 to get all set up.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Apr 26, 7:27 pm, A Muzi wrote:
Scott Gordo wrote:
deleted
"If the bike(s) is packed in a container that is over 50 lbs (23kg)
and/or 62 linear inches (157cm), a $95 service charge applies each
way. The service charge is in addition to any excess baggage charges
that may apply."
"
deleted
The dimensions of an S&S coupled bicycle (26+26+10) meet this size
limit and do not incur this charge.
john wrote:
True. However @ ~$500 one would need to fly fairly often to recover
the cost of S&S couplers in a reasonable length of time, depending of
course, on the exact circumstances.
Plus they add, what, a 3/4 pound of weight?
I used to fly ~ once a year, & I'm planning on that in the future. I
don't think that they would worth the initial lay down, for me.
I'm not saying they are a bad idea.
They certainly are beautiful, & elegant.
Just that the payback time might be a little long, John
mark wrote:
At $80-$100 per flight and flying one round trip per year the payback
time would be 3-4 years, which is not completely unreasonable. My
concern would be storing the S&S suitcase when I was on a cycle tour,
it's not always easy to store a suitcase when I'm on an extended tour.
I've flown to Europe with a bicycle at no charge 4 times since 2000, and
next year's trip will probably be the last time my bike gets a free
ride. Hard to complain, I've done pretty well up to this point. I keep
an old road bike at my parents house for family visits, and if I were to
fly anywhere else (not likely) I would either ship a bike UPS/FedEx if
it was a long stay, or find some other way to get my exercise for a
short trip.

We sell S+S (new bikes and we are an S+S frame shop) but you should
factor in the case & incidentals. It's more like $850 minimum, typically
$1000 to get all set up.

--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

WOW! I did not realize that. I really don't dislike em. Just a little
too rich for my blood, John

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:38:14 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 26, 5:06 am, still me wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:28:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"

wrote:

Keep in mind that the ticketing agent is a minor god. Whatever he or
she
decides to do is the law. Doesn't matter what the rules say. Nor, in
this
day & age, are you likely to see someone reverse a charge on appeal.

Yeah, it ain't like the old days when companies actually cared what
you thought about them. Now it's all about volume and the squeaky
wheel can go to Hell for all they care.

It -IS- like the old days still. The company might not care what you
think but she still does. Flirt with her!!!!! Did you notice how
pretty she is? Let her feel the warmth of your gaze and then look coy
when she looks up and there will be no charge for the bike.

dl


Only one problem, she's a lesbian and hates men.
--
Slack

In article ,
?Slack wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:38:14 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 26, 5:06 am, still me wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:28:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"

wrote:

Keep in mind that the ticketing agent is a minor god. Whatever he or
she
decides to do is the law. Doesn't matter what the rules say. Nor, in
this
day & age, are you likely to see someone reverse a charge on appeal.

Yeah, it ain't like the old days when companies actually cared what
you thought about them. Now it's all about volume and the squeaky
wheel can go to Hell for all they care.

It -IS- like the old days still. The company might not care what you
think but she still does. Flirt with her!!!!! Did you notice how
pretty she is? Let her feel the warmth of your gaze and then look coy
when she looks up and there will be no charge for the bike.

Only one problem, she's a lesbian and hates men.

Negative attitude. I was with a friend at a government office to
transact business. He said "I hate these places. They treat you
like crap." I said "Watch this." I thought about what it is like
to be a clerk in those places, and dealing with everybody that
comes up to the window. I smiled at the clerk and kept in mind
that thought. The transaction went flawlessly and we both were
happier at the conclusion. It is a question the posture one
assumes.

--
Michael Press

On Apr 26, 8:43 pm, â–€Slack wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:38:14 -0700, wrote:
On Apr 26, 5:06 am, still me wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:28:12 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"

wrote:

Keep in mind that the ticketing agent is a minor god. Whatever he or
she
decides to do is the law. Doesn't matter what the rules say. Nor, in
this
day & age, are you likely to see someone reverse a charge on appeal.

Yeah, it ain't like the old days when companies actually cared what
you thought about them. Now it's all about volume and the squeaky
wheel can go to Hell for all they care.

It -IS- like the old days still. The company might not care what you
think but she still does. Flirt with her!!!!! Did you notice how
pretty she is? Let her feel the warmth of your gaze and then look coy
when she looks up and there will be no charge for the bike.

dl

Only one problem, she's a lesbian and hates men.
--
Slack

Not the stewardess!!! You're describing the bus driver.

At $80-$100 per flight and flying one round trip per year the payback time
would be 3-4 years, which is not completely unreasonable. My concern would
be storing the S&S suitcase when I was on a cycle tour, it's not always
easy to store a suitcase when I'm on an extended tour. I've flown to
Europe with a bicycle at no charge 4 times since 2000, and next year's
trip will probably be the last time my bike gets a free ride. Hard to
complain, I've done pretty well up to this point. I keep an old road bike
at my parents house for family visits, and if I were to fly anywhere else
(not likely) I would either ship a bike UPS/FedEx if it was a long stay,
or find some other way to get my exercise for a short trip.

For what UPS & FedEx are now charging ($400+ was the last quote from the
West Coas US to anyplace in Europe), it might be more sensible to buy a bike
over there, ride it, and then sell it used afterward.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

-snip wading through a bureaucracy-
Michael Press wrote:
Negative attitude. I was with a friend at a government office to
transact business. He said "I hate these places. They treat you
like crap." I said "Watch this." I thought about what it is like
to be a clerk in those places, and dealing with everybody that
comes up to the window. I smiled at the clerk and kept in mind
that thought. The transaction went flawlessly and we both were
happier at the conclusion. It is a question the posture one
assumes.

I buy a large amount of postal service 6 days a week and have a great
relationship with the staff, even the Saturday football nut who takes
the sports page I used to toss. They are extremely attentive and
helpful. Michael's dead right and I was among the doubters, now changed
in my opinion.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971